Did I just blow my engine?

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This thread is further to the one I posted earlier asking for an engine rebuild shop in the Orlando area.

I have a 97 FZJ80, 4.5 l, IFZ-FE 138,000 miles, its in great shape, no rust, not abused. I bought it last fall.

OK, so here is what happened.

I was driving at 70 mph on cruise control on IH-10. Then the engine started to drop a gear and rev to around 4,000 rpm to try to maintain the 70 mph, it couldn't do it. I first thought there was something wrong with my transmission. I turned off the cruise control, tried to get up to speed manually with the accelerator, couldn't get above around 64 mph. I didn't hear any unusual noise above the sound of the engine revving at 4,000 rpm. This went on for maybe 2-3 miles, less than 5 minutes (I just filled up with gas at mile 31, was pulled over at mile 26). It was at this point I noticed my oil pressure gauge was at zero. HOLY S**T! I pulled over immediately and shut off the engine, I have not turned it over since. I loaded it on a trailer and brought it back to the house.

The oil was changed the week before, it had maybe 400 miles driven since the oil change. Checking the dip stick it still looked good, oil was clean and full.

After looking things over I noticed that the idler pulley on the dual fan belts was sitting at a slight angle, the 2 belts were twisted 90 degrees and pieces of rubber where broken off. The belts were still under tension. So I am assuming that the bearings failed on the idler pulley and this is likely the original cause of the problem. Could that be the reason the oil pump wasn't working? Or maybe the pump always was working but the oil sending unit wasn't working? But then why did the engine not be able to maintain 70 mph? Is it maybe a transmission issue after all? I don't know enough about Toyota's to know how or what is the cause and effect of what happened.

So what I am going to do now is replace the idler pulley, replace all the belts, replace the oil pressure sending unit, remove the current oil filter and cut it open to check for metal shavings. If the filter is clean I'll put a new one on and then bump the starter and see if the engine turns over (the logic being if I blew the engine bumping the starter isn't gong to make it worse). IF the fan turns and the engine advances, then I'll try to start it and see if everything works.

Does this makes sense? Am I missing something that following the above procedure would be a really bad idea?
 
Hit pause for now and wait for some replies to come in. Some quick notes:

- Oil pressure gauges can be finicky but going to zero followed by big problems is not a good sign
- The oil pump is not driven by the belts
- Oil changed on week before and then this is not great - any chance a WIX filter was used? Those are known to cause major issues.
- If the belts fail then the fan and alternator stop spinning, the immediate concern there is overheating but it wouldn't happen right away at highway speed

Any photos?
 
Hit pause for now and wait for some replies to come in. Some quick notes:

- Oil pressure gauges can be finicky but going to zero followed by big problems is not a good sign
- The oil pump is not driven by the belts
- Oil changed on week before and then this is not great - any chance a WIX filter was used? Those are known to cause major issues.
- If the belts fail then the fan and alternator stop spinning, the immediate concern there is overheating but it wouldn't happen right away at highway speed

Any photos?
yes it was a WIX filter
 
Hit pause for now and wait for some replies to come in. Some quick notes:

- Oil pressure gauges can be finicky but going to zero followed by big problems is not a good sign
- The oil pump is not driven by the belts
- Oil changed on week before and then this is not great - any chance a WIX filter was used? Those are known to cause major issues.
- If the belts fail then the fan and alternator stop spinning, the immediate concern there is overheating but it wouldn't happen right away at highway speed

Any photos?
No photos, I'll get some but it wont be until this Saturday.
 
Unbelievable. That certainly would explain why I lost oil pressure. Unbelievable.

I guess I better not cut up the WIX filter then. I have the 51348 filter on right now.
Do not take it off or touch the engine until you contact an attorney.
Seriously.

This could likely mean a new engine which will be $10K out of pocket.
We are aware of two engines that have been covered, but it was a long, hard fight.

Did you have a shop do the oil change or you?

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I'm sorry for your loss.....
 
Do not take it off or touch the engine until you contact an attorney.
Seriously.

This could likely mean a new engine which will be $10K out of pocket.
We are aware of two engines that have been covered, but it was a long, hard fight.

Did you have a shop do the oil change or you?

Document
Document
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I'm sorry for your loss.....
No, I did the oil change myself.
 
No, I did the oil change myself.
Get your receipts from the auto parts store.

Still contact an attorney before you take it into the auto parts store. The have been employees that have taken the filter and disposed of the evidence.

You need to read that thread (and more) to follow the approach of one of the guys that was successful.

It will be WIX that you'll be going after.
There is a valve in the oil filter that sticks and starves the engine of oil. This takes out all your bearings.
 
Don't take it off because you may need to take it to a qualified shop (dealership?) to video the removal process and proper diagnostic process to determine fault.
This is the one time it will pay to have a shop do this part to confirm if it was properly installed, the oil level was full, everything was done correctly by you, and confirmed by a third party.

Yes this will be worth paying an attorney to get it fixed. Make part of the agreement to have them pay down time (or an equivalent rental buying the diagnostic and repair process) and attorney fees.
 
Don't take it off because you may need to take it to a qualified shop (dealership?) to video the removal process and proper diagnostic process to determine fault.
This is the one time it will pay to have a shop do this part to confirm if it was properly installed, the oil level was full, everything was done correctly by you, and confirmed by a third party.

Yes this will be worth paying an attorney to get it fixed. Make part of the agreement to have them pay down time (or an equivalent rental buying the diagnostic and repair process) and attorney fees.
I wonder how the process would work to confirm it was the filter. I'll call an attorney, and see what they say.
 
I wonder how the process would work to confirm it was the filter. I'll call an attorney, and see what they say.
They will have to check oil level. They may take an oil sample.
They will need to confirm the oil filter is properly installed and within reasonable torque.
They will make sure it wasn't double gasketed.
Once the oil filter has been removed, there is a PROPER tool to cut it open without contaminating the interior.
They will need to inspect the operation of the internal bleed back valve to see if it's stuck or damaged.
They may need to have a WIX representative present to witness the process.
At this point, the only thing you should do is talk to the attorney and hand the keys to a tow company that will tow it to whatever shop will do the work.
You may be able to contact a couple shops to see if they are willing to get in the middle of this, because it could be an engine R/R job for them and WIX's insurance company will pay for all this.

Toyota short blocks (brand new) and still available are about $4500 plus freight. Then there are all the peripherals that must be replaced to do this swap.
They may try to push you into a salvage yard swap. Fight for a new short block with warranty on the work.
 
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I'm not an expert on this process but as @BILT4ME mentioned I wouldn't touch anything for now until you talk with the attorney. They should be able to walk you through the 3rd party requirements and whatnot.
 
Would this include NAPA Gold filters that are I believe made for them by WIX?
Yes.

Because of these threads I will run nothing but a Toyota filter on mine.
 
Because this seemed to occur right after filling up your fuel tank you might consider also having the shop drain a few ounces of gasoline from the fuel tank
and send that for analysis also.

Either way I agree with what others have said, let a Toyota Dealer Service Dept document everything as mentioned above.
 

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