cult45's 45 recovery and remobilisation

[cult45]

Well as is customary in my head, I figured the night before the big engine swap would be a good time to ask how to actually do this..

Spoke to my old man and he reckoned keeping the trans in is the best way. Any thoughts? Was just gonna drop the bib, pull the rad and all engine connections and yank it. Then do it all in reverse.

Thoughts?

 

[ozcrusier]

I'm with the old man take it in one lump but you need a good engine hoist to lift the engine box transfer out in one go. No Chinese crap unless it's over rated.

 

[Indestructible 47]

I'm with the old man take it in one lump but you need a good engine hoist to lift the engine and box transfer out in one go. No Chinese crap unless it's over rated.

good idea! my uncle bent a Chinese engine crane and it wasn't at its weight limit.

 

[cult45]

Thanks @ozcrusier @Indestructible 47 - already swung the *new* F into the shed with the engine crane. So it's all good. I'm more chasing info on the gearbox-to-engine parting and re-marrying? My old man was talking about brass spigots and sh!t and I just got lost.

I'll have my iPad down there so even if you chime in later in the day I'll still glean your wisdom

 

[chappohj47]

Good luck for today mate

 

[west aussie]

have fun. one lump gets my vote too.

new clutch, gearbox input seal, spigot bearing and thrust bearing is pretty stardard procedure. but im a tightass and pretty rough at times and dont often bother. (esp if this motor is a stop gap fit). see how the bearings feel/sound and if the box seal has any weapage. clutch is a few $$ but rest is cheap and worthwhile. decent slide hammer is good for spigot removal. i have got them by packing the centre of the bearing with grease and hydraulicing them out with a very neat fitting drift and solid whacks with a hammer. these old boxes are an easy pull later, so no great stress like a later model box. would recommend a test drive before you bother to reinstall seats, trans hump, front shaft, bib wiring and whatever else you can get away with.

i use an old junker input shaft to lineup the clutch but fingertips are as good as any esp if you doing this out of the tojo as one lump.

 

[cult45]

Well there was no iPad checking, no gleaning and no swapping of engines - despite the very best efforts of Pete and Andrew [84TROOPY and sneaky]. We dropped the bib, pulled the rad and had the old motor out by 1pm, but the real trick is getting the new one in. A trick we're clearly not well versed in. We fkd around for hours trying to line the input shaft and the flywheel up but to no avail. In the end, Shane, the owner of the Aust. 40 Series Landcruiser Facebook page dropped in and gave us a hand. Judging by the way he spoke we were wayyyyyy off in our method. But he'll be there tomorrow so he's decided to lend a hand. If we can get the motor and trans in together I can button up the rest.

sneaky, 84TROOPY and Matt.

How it sat as of 6.30pm.

But don't worry, it's in esteemed company.

Just an aside, @sneaky and @84TROOPY - two blokes who I've only met a handful of times - came and helped out a fellow Mudder do an engine swap. They're great guys and I owe them some beers. Or the GDP of a small African nation. Or something. But they're great. Thanks guys! And I will visit! Once this damn donk is in..

 

[ozcrusier]

Cult
We can lead a horse to water One lump was advised by a few of us mate. How did you guys go all smiles I hope

 

[cult45]

Yeah but the bloke who owns the shed suggested we pull separately. Then afterwards he realised a non-crossmembered gearbox would be too hard to align. I've got a bit of an update coming, gotta go for a run before the sun goes down.

 

[cult45]

Right then. So after 75 pity-beers last night I awoke with a raging hangover. Smashed a few coffees, went for a 5 kayer, and went down to the shed in readiness for Shane's help. He had to disappear for the day to look after his kids, so it was a solo mission. Which was actually quite good - I got to really have a think about how to approach this.

I pulled the gearstick boots and knobs, undid the handbrake [firewall end], unscrewed the speedo cable and in about 30 minutes dropped the trans/transfer. Had to jack the front of the car up two inches to clear the sticks but once I'd done that I rolled the three speed onto it's side and slid it out. Freedom!

I checked the clutch plate and flywheel on the donor F and it's got plenty of beef and the flywheel is pretty schmick. I cleaned and regreased the throwout [?] bearing, installed it on the recently installed clutch fork, and then, using the engine crane and several blocks of timber I aligned the trans and the donor engine. Working alone, I got it within 3/4", then started installing the four bolts to hopefully [gently] pull it home. It was about now that I realised the donor bell housing had two dowels in it that were going to stop my progress. So I pulled them back apart and tapped the dowels out with a hammer. Pulled them back together and again, got within 3/4" before I realised the donor F [which is an F.5] has a different bolt pattern to the early F. The donor came from a 1974, which I assume is a 4 speed. Not only that, the thread on the donor bell housing is finer than the early F.

I pulled the trans off again and began measuring. Yep, so the 4 speed bell housing bottom bolts are 12mm+/- further apart. So to those who reckoned a 2F would 'bolt straight up, no mods' - it probably will, but you've gotta use the F bell housing. A pretty large and important piece of information. It was at this point is where I bailed on the swap and began cleaning up and replacing the PO 'fuel line' [a piece of garden hose?? Really?? Jeez I wonder how that's gonna hold up with petrol running through it] and chased up a few other odd jobs.

Then Shane turned up just as I was leaving and he offered to help me get this sucker in this week. In exchange I would help him strip a few 40's he has coming in this week. Sounds pretty good to me.

My pulled J31.

Top holes J31.

Bottom holes J31.

Top holes donor bell housing.

Bottom holes donor bell housing.

 

[cult45]

Top holes early F bell housing.

Bottom holes early F bell housing.

 

[Indestructible 47]

jolly sweet!

 

[chappohj47]

What a bummer

 

[ozcrusier]

Ive got a spare 4 speed and transfer if you want it mate.

 

[sneaky]

[QUOTE="
Just an aside, @sneaky and @84TROOPY - two blokes who I've only met a handful of times - came and helped out a fellow Mudder do an engine swap. They're great guys and I owe them some beers. Or the GDP of a small African nation. Or something. But they're great. Thanks guys! And I will visit! Once this damn donk is in.. [/QUOTE]


It was fun to hang out in the HQ with like minded people and eye off some of the projects coming/going and being rebuilt. If I can get this kitchen done quickly I might be able to give you a hand in a couple of weeks if the swap isn't done by then.

As for the beers, just remember those when it comes time to do my brake/axle swap!

 

[west aussie]

how did you even support that old 3 speed in situ with the motor out? looks like hard work!

keep plugging away cult; you will get there

 

[cult45]

Oz old mate once again - thank you. But once again i might give it a miss
West this was exactly our problem. Should have pulled it all in one lump.

Today I held up my end of the bargain and helped Shane wreck out a '77 45. Then got stuck into mine. Removed bell housings and cleaned and swapped them [they fit!], cleaned and torqued up the flywheel, slotted in the clutch, bolted down the pressure plate and installed the clutch fork pivot, clutch fork and throwout bearing. Then whilst I still had light I began chasing down, cleaning and checking all the bolt-ons. Heater hoses, discovered the t-stat is toast [here we go again..], broke a bolt removing it, checked the water pump, installed plugs, torqued down the rocker cover, and cleaned a bunch of bolts. As it stands:

 

[chappohj47]

Great progress mate

 

[sneaky]

how did you even support that old 3 speed in situ with the motor out?

Ratchet strap hooked onto the chassis and fed through the doors. Allowed the gearbox to pivot a bit and move forward and aft when the engine came out. We didn't have access to a trolley jack.

Good to see it going back together.

 

[cult45]

Yeah it was ratchet strap city - which was a bit dodgy but it was the brainchild of sneaky under tool-less conditions. He's a clever lad sneaky, but what do you expect - he's an engineer. I'll definitely be indentured to him for an axle swap or two.

Thanks chappo, I see you've changed your avatar to the new ride? This the 75 with the 12H-T?