Cross-Country Family Trip (input requested!)

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My best advice is to relax and not over think or over plan the trip. You're in a brand new, extremely reliable vehicle with nothing mechanical to worry about. Your schedule looks very regimented and planned out, so my suggestion is to relax those dates and spend more time at the places you really connect with and go quicker through the places that you don't find as enchanting. Don't "lose the forest through the trees" and make sure you really absorb what you're experiencing instead of checking boxes and collecting stickers from places you drove through.

Makes complete sense. I typically don't like to plan things out as much but started to panic when a lot of the campgrounds were getting booked up. Having two kids screaming in the backseat, I was planning to side on overplanning so I didn't have to think as much on the road. But definitely agree with making sure to take it all in... I don't want this to turn into a chore and just going through the motions to get to the next destination.
 
Have to agree with @mcgaskins on this.

That said, I was recently at the Black Canyon of the Gunnison, and while it is a beautiful place, there is not a whole lot to see and do there. Very few hiking trails or scenic drives. It is, however, close enough to Ouray/Silverton that you could take a few day trips. I would not advise taking your trailer to Silverton or even Ouray unless you like white knuckles. :steer:
Good to know... I like the idea of some days trips to Ouray. I think I saw some mud folks head out there recently, looked amazing. Thanks!
 
That sounds amazing... unfortunately we are going to have to pull our home around most places. I may be reaching out to you!


I could still point you to some easy on/off areas from I 70 on the Swell..north or south side

Between exits 91-131.....insanely beautiful....empty....

Black Dragon Canyon just north of 70 is a very short hike if you wanna see pictographs



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In Kentucky, you can make a stop at Land Between The Lakes. There's trails, a buffalo heard, and camping etc. It should be pretty much on your way.

I'm Jealous. We're driving with our 3 and 5.5 year olds out to Colorado in September in my 200 series. We've done a lot of 8 hour car days, and we've found a routine that works for us:

Breakfast, then a 3-4 stint in the car to a good lunch stop. Good food, snacks, and a place to play, walk, etc for an hour or two is necessary. Then another 4 hours after lunch usually with a nap and a movie. In COVID times, stopping and picnicking is safer than trying to eat in a restaurant, and honestly my kids prefer it.

You're lucky, because you have the time to not make too many long car days. Enjoy it!

Also, don't count on campgrounds being available to walk-ups. Camping is booming right now, so lock in an itinerary and book the sites ahead of time. It would be great to be flexible, but it's harder with a travel trailer than it used to be with just us sleeping in the back of a truck or van.

8 hour days, I'm impressed! I am shooting for 5-7 hour days but we'll see how it goes. I like the extended lunch idea.

Booking sites has been nuts... luckily I have booked pretty much most sites for the western half of the trip which were the ones in high demand (except Yosemite). Hipcamp has been awesome. Appreciate the input!
 
So, about the travel trailer. You will be limited to the established campgrounds. With the virus going around it seems EVERYONE is going camping. If you don't already have reservations at those National Parks, its too late. They are booked within minutes, 6 months out, to the day. With that being said, it may be better to do VRBO, especially if you have little experience towing that trailer. Colorado can and will cook the brakes of the inexperienced if you try I70 or most of 285. Also, I found with my Forest River (29FBSS) that I towed with my Tundra was way over the sticker weight. Before you head out, make sure and get everything weighed. It won't make much of a difference if you're in the flatlands but trying to control that kind of weight in the Rockies will be a challenge.

Oh, and I didn't see a brake controller on your list. Make sure you have one. During the summer I see tons of RVs wadded up on the side of the road on I70. People underestimate the challenges on that highway for towing.

Great advice. We are committed at this point to the trailer, wife is excited to Joanna gaines the interior. We've booked sites for the locations in higher demand, so that has helped with establishing the route some.

Forgot to include, but yes I have a Curt wireless brake controller ready to install. I'm sure I will miss my Tundra and the longer wheelbase for this trip. Hopefully the propride/hensley works well once I can actually set it up properly.
 
If you are planning to go from Crater Lake to Redwoods Natl Park, I suggest you head west from Crater Lake and plan a route south starting at the north end of Samuel H. Boardman State Scenic Corridor in Oregon. Plan a bunch of stops along the way to look at some great ocean views. FYI, that's easily a whole day worth of stopping. Many places with short easy trails for little ones, but keep a hand on them, cliffs, etc.

This is great. I would love to drive along the coast, will plan to do this!
 
8 hour days, I'm impressed! I am shooting for 5-7 hour days but we'll see how it goes. I like the extended lunch idea.

Booking sites has been nuts... luckily I have booked pretty much most sites for the western half of the trip which were the ones in high demand (except Yosemite). Hipcamp has been awesome. Appreciate the input!
One thing that we have going for us is we rarely use screen time to keep our kids entertained. So little in fact, that a movie a day in the car is like a magical experience for them. Being a little older than yours helps in some ways and hurts in some ways. We're planning to do AL to CO in 3 days going out and 2 days coming back. It may be tough, but we're really looking forward to having the cruiser out there instead of a rented Minivan, and we're just not ready to fly as a family right now.

The number 1 rule is Have Fun! Post some pics and a trip report when you get back, or along the way!
 
Wow, quite the trip. Great way to spend paternity leave and get to know the new one. Here are few ideas.

You’re overdoing PM on the new LC and underdoing PM on the camper. Don’t change the diff oil change and don’t do an oil change half way through the trip. Replace all 4 camper tires with Goodyear Endurance or Maxxis 8008 trailer tires or equivalent. Don’t do that trip with China bomb tires. Service or check the trailer bearings, even if new. I’ve had new trailers with extremely skimpy grease and bearings running hot from bad adjustment. Doing those things and making sure the trailer battery(s) and lights and brakes are in good condition will eliminate almost all trailer-related problems on such an epic journey. And why do you need the weight and hassle of carrying a floor jack?

Have you considered adding a rear-view camera to the camper with a wireless monitor in the LC? That makes long distance towing much more relaxing because you have view of all that’s going on behind you.

In Kentucky, consider Mammoth Cave. Your “older” kid will be amazed.

In South Dakota, the south unit of Theodore Roosevelt National Park has prairie dogs that your 2 year old would find a hoot. That NP (and many others) has tiny campsites that might be too small for your rig. Some, however, do have “overflow” sites for big rigs.

In Redwood NP, make sure you get to the part of the park that has old growth forest. Some of the park, especially that shared with the state park, is second growth and you’ll see only BIG stumps and medium sized trees.

In Utah, if you don’t mind climbing into into higher elevations with your camper, check out Cedar Breaks National Monument. It’s spectacular and personal-sized and is off the beaten path far enough to avoid the crowds of Bryce and Zion.

Pay attention to the kids (and yourself) at higher elevations on your trip. Altitude sickness can bother them if you don’t acclimate as you go up.

As you continue to book campsites, consider Corps of Engineer campgrounds. They seem to be universally well-maintained and easy in/outs. For example, their Fisherman’s Corner campground where I-80 crosses the Mississippi River is nice and right on the river so your young one can watch the big barges go by.
 
Ouray from the north isn’t NEARLY as bad as if you *dont* actually need to go past town further into the mountains.

glacier will be a challenge.. as of a week ago the whole east side of the park was closed, and the one remaining campground fully booked through closing date on Labor Day. Also you won’t be able to go up the road to the pass from the west side with your trailer. I’ve heard they are closing down even the normally barely used remote western areas of the park due to congestion.. between the east side being closed and the huge influx of people driving around to the parks vs the normal flying travel they’d do during the summer it has been a madhouse.

Edit: forgot the don’t above
 
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Replace all 4 camper tires with Goodyear Endurance or Maxxis 8008 trailer tires or equivalent. Don’t do that trip with China bomb tires. Service or check the trailer bearings, even if new. I’ve had new trailers with extremely skimpy grease and bearings running hot from bad adjustment. Doing those things and making sure the trailer battery(s) and lights and brakes are in good condition will eliminate almost all trailer-related problems on such an epic journey. And why do you need the weight and hassle of carrying a floor jack?

This is gold. Especially the tires. Replace all of them. Also, Forest River uses Dexter axles, of which I haven't had much luck so make sure all the bolts on the brake assemblies are torqued correctly. I had an entire assembly come apart and self-destruct in rural Kansas. Total pain to get it fixed and then reimbursed by FR.
 
Wow, quite the trip. Great way to spend paternity leave and get to know the new one. Here are few ideas.

You’re overdoing PM on the new LC and underdoing PM on the camper. Don’t change the diff oil change and don’t do an oil change half way through the trip. Replace all 4 camper tires with Goodyear Endurance or Maxxis 8008 trailer tires or equivalent. Don’t do that trip with China bomb tires. Service or check the trailer bearings, even if new. I’ve had new trailers with extremely skimpy grease and bearings running hot from bad adjustment. Doing those things and making sure the trailer battery(s) and lights and brakes are in good condition will eliminate almost all trailer-related problems on such an epic journey. And why do you need the weight and hassle of carrying a floor jack?

Can't emphasize the tires and axles enough. We bought a used camper, and two of the tires exploded on the first trip. I replaced them with good LT Tires (LT vs Trailer tires is a debate for another place... let's just say there are folks adamant on both sides) I would be far more worried about the camper than the LC. My LC has 230k miles on it and my trailer is up to date on maintenance and tires and I still trust my Cruiser more than my trailer.
 
That’s one heck of a plan. That being said, I’ve done similar trips a few times with my wife and 4 young kiddos. You’ll make wonderful memories.

My best advice is to spend more time in fewer places. Y’all are going to get pretty fatigued. Even 8 driving hours with kids ends up being more like a 10 hr day minimum. Especially dragging a trailer up and over mountain passes. Plan on some stressful situations.

We live in Idaho Falls. The parks are insane right now. Post Labor Day things should get better but the parks are literally a zoo right now. We were in the Tetons last weekend and never seen it so busy. Like literally no parking at any of the hot spots. So go in knowing you’ll be dealing with people.

I saw you have the Sawtooth on your itinerary. You could spend your whole trip in Idaho and barely scratch the surface. The Sawtooth is huge. But it’s our go to for camping. It’s what we consider “real” Idaho. Where are you planning to camp? And what do you want to see? Most all campgrounds are booked well in advance. There are some FCFS campgrounds but unless you’re getting way off the beaten path you might not score a site.

Hit me up if you need any info on Idaho. Or if you need anything as your passing through.

Biggest lessons we’ve learned from big road trips is frequent stops and letting the kids out of the vehicle. And patience. Lots of patience. And lots of ice cream. Seriously. They always looked forward to ice cream. You’re newborn won’t know the difference but your older one will.

Also know where you can get repairs completed. Just in case your trailer needs some attention. Unlikely the 200 will need anything but you never know. And carry emergency supplies (first aid, road side emergency supplies etc).

More may come to me. I’ll chime back in. Biggest thing is to not try and check a bunch of boxes.

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I think it was mentioned but you can drive through the Badlands in less than 2 hours and move on. Use that time in the Sawtooth or Yellowstone.

We really enjoyed Custer State Park.
 
I think it was mentioned but you can drive through the Badlands in less than 2 hours and move on. Use that time in the Sawtooth or Yellowstone.

We really enjoyed Custer State Park.
Agreed on all counts. Yellowstone really requires a minimum of a couple of days just to take in the pull out views, marvel at the bison, walk around some of the thermals, and take a few easy hikes to the falls.

Custer State Park is nearly as nice as some of the National Parks - it's a true gem of a state park and was the highlight of that area for us when we were there years ago. Mt. Rushmore is kind of neat, but it definitely wasn't one of the true highlights of our trip.

Glacier is fantastic, but if the info on it being packed and the east side being closed is accurate as of when you arrive, it would NOT be a fun place to visit especially pulling a trailer. If the east side is open, there's a really nice privately owned lodge just outside the east entrance that makes a great stop for lunch. My dad and I were at Glacier in late June 2 years ago. We arrived on the day they finished opening the road (they had just finished clearing the snow) and the park was already a zoo. Fantastic views though.

I also agree with the advice to spend more time in fewer places if you can, especially traveling with a newborn, another young child, and a trailor.
 
Some background before the ask:

Vehicles and Gear:
The Vehicle -
2020 Landcruiser will have about 2000 miles on the odometer; Timbren SES towing bumpstops, 1400 Propride Sway Hitch; Planning to change oil before the trip to Amsoil 0W-30 and Diff Oil to Amsoil 75W-90 (not sure if I should change oil mid-trip as well given the load...)
The Camper - Forest Rivers No Boundaries 19.3 tandem axle; 24ft long and will most likely be 5500lbs fully loaded; Honda 3000is generator; Yeti Goal Zero 1000 with (2) 100 Watt Solar Panels; 2 Jerry Cans of water and 2 Jerry Cans of gas; various tools including a floor jack

Tentative Route:
8/27 - Depart Davidson, NC
8/27-8/28 - Kentucky, ???
8/28-8/30 - Illinois, ???
8/30-9/1 - Iowa/Minnesota, ???
9/1-9/4 - South Dakota, Badlands National Park
9/4-9/6 - Wyoming, Big Horn Mtn Base
9/6-9/8 - Wyoming, Yellowstone
9/8-9/9 - Idaho, Sawtooth National Forest
9/9-9/10 - Oregon, Alvord Desert
9/10-9/13 - Oregon, Bend
9/13-9/16 - Oregon, Crater Lake
9/16-9/19 - California, Redwood National
9/19-9/20 - California, Napa (load up on wine)
9/20-9/23 - California, Big Sur
9/23-9/26 - California, Yosemite (unable to book any sites, looking for boondocking spots)
9/26-9/29 - California, Mammoth Lakes
9/29-9/30 - Nevada, Cathedral Gorge State Park
9/30-10/3 - Utah, Zion National Park
10/3-10/4 - Utah, Buckskin Gulch/Bryce Canyon/Capital Reef (nothing booked)
10/4-10/7 - Utah, Arches National Park/Moab
10/7-10/9 - Colorado, Mesa Verde
10/9-10/12 - Colorado, Black Canyon Gunnison
10/12-10/15 - Colorado, Great Sand Dunes National Park
10/15-10/16 - Kansas, ????
10/16-10/18 - St Louis, Friends House
10/18-10/20 - Tennessee, Great Smokey Mountains
10/21 - Back home to Davidson, NC

The Ask:
I would love to get input from this group on:
1) Any must-see locations or campsites that I missed based on current route
2) Any recommendations, particularly for those I have labeled with "???"
3) Any changes you would make based on dates and/or route
4) Things to consider based on time of year
5) Places to explore that are close to planned route

Hey John, You're not crazy... well with a 2 week old, you're a little crazy. But crazy is interesting. I had a similar opportunity back in 2013 and took it. Similar to yours, family of four (my kids were 4 and 6) but we took nine months to do a similar trip. I am sorry to report, the memories will be you and your wife's... the two year old won't remember a thing, obviously, neither will the 2 week old. Our son, 4 at the time, he remembers veeeeery little of the "big trip" as we called it.

We were inspired by the Lin family, known in the full-timing community as the Mali Mish, and coincidentally, we ended up meeting them on our trip and traveled several weeks together. Mali Mish have great Instagram and YouTube accounts, check them out. Another great resource: www.campendium.com. Brian and Leigh started that sight a long time ago, and it highlights camping spots, boondocking spots in particular. Our old Instagram account is still active, tinfoilhouse. we had a blog, but much to our dismay, it got deleted... very sad about that.

Make no doubt, you are cramming a lot into a short time, don't hesitate to deviate while you are on the road. That is part of the adventure. We did a similar loop to yours, but we started in Kansas and headed straight south to Big Bend NP. If you can find a way to make it there, I highly recommend it. In fact, I strongly suggest you travel farther south on your return trip. After the Great Sand Dunes, head south to Carlsbad Caverns, White Sands, Oliver Lee State Park NM, and then over to the Texas canyon lands... Palo Duro etc. Trust me, there is nothing to see in Kansas unless you are a big fan of prairies and middle America agriculture.

I understand your desire to explore the coastal California, but don't overlook US 395 in California. You will be near it during your time in Mammoth Lakes. Head south and hit Bishop (Schattz bakery), Manzanar National monument, Bristle cone pine trees, Death Valley, Scotty's Castle, Alabama Hills, Lone Pine, Tuttle Creek campground, Mt. Whitney... all of that is fantastic. There is tons of BLM land to camp in around there. either free or $2 a night. If you can't find a spot in Yosemite, it is an option. Keep checking Yosemite daily... we ended up lucking out and finding a spot for 2 nights, last minute... people cancel all the time. Camped under El Capitan... If you can't find Yosemite spots, look at June Lake, Convict Lake, Mono Lake... all fantastic spots to the east of Yosemite on 395. I am sure a Californian might have more insight.

California is amazing. You could probably spend 6 months traveling up the 1, down the 5 and back up 395...

If you are around Big Sur, hit up Monterey Aquarium (if they are open)... Laguna Seca has a campground inside the race track... it is pretty neat. (mega steep road in and out... 8% or 10%(?) I don't remember. It isn't too long, we did it with a Tundra and a 27' Airstream... it is doable.

The big 5 in Utah are great. Our favorite was the less traveled Capital Reef and the orchards there.

As far as your gear setup.... really up to you and what you are comfortable with and have room for. These beasts are fantastic, but are thirsty and have small tanks, so while my initial reaction to bail on the fuel cans, I see your concern. At least one... generator gas and emergency truck fuel if needed. I would bail on the floor jack... As another Mud member said, the preventative maintenance is over the top... I would invest in a good tire pressure gauge, and some nice D or E rated trailer tires... then check them religiously before towing.

Good luck, happy travels, and happy to answer more questions... I am sambushed on Instagram, I check that way more often...
 
I would consider dinosaur national monument. I just did the UT and CO sides very cool and we didn’t spend enough time exploring.
The trailer might be tough on the road to Echo park but we saw a smaller trailer and I wasn’t thinking about towing something on our drive.
I would also consider Mt Rainer, Crater Lake, Bumpas Hell at Lassen was cool. The CA redwoods, Sedona. Fantasy valley in UT was also cool but small. Stay off hwy 1 and 36 in NoCal
 

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