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BlackCat said:
Register it as a classic vehicle, get classic car insurance, and then it’s emissions exempt in Phoenix.
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And then I have a mileage restriction that basically grounds it... this truck is meant to be the family camping vehicle since I had to leave our 80-series behind in the UAE. We will be doing roadtrips and camping all around the Southwest and hopefully even in Baja.
 
One could always disconnect the odometer, or, if you really need that info, install a spare and keep the original for inspections... Just a thought. ;) But I understand your desire to make a legal DD.

If all that's holding you back is tailpipe test, good NEW CAT or two and tune up might do it for the next two years. Fresh 10% EtOH gas will help, too.

Good luck!
 
I'm going to do the following:
1. Valves, dwell, and lean-drop tuneup.
2. Bolt/weld in a Magnaflow catalytic converter.
3. Fill up the sub tank with 10% Ethanol (that corn ethanol is bad news for the old rubber though!) and go drive a solid 30 miles to run it through the system.

Then retest and see where I'm at.
 
Honger said:
And then I have a mileage restriction that basically grounds it... this truck is meant to be the family camping vehicle since I had to leave our 80-series behind in the UAE. We will be doing roadtrips and camping all around the Southwest and hopefully even in Baja.
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FWIW, I thought that as well. I called Grundy for a quote and asked them about it. They don’t have a restriction on mileage, you just have to have proof you have another vehicle, IE, the car with classic insurance cannot be a daily driver. I’m also in Phoenix.
 
Honger said:
Invest in the Holley Sniper and some cats INSTEAD of the EGR and smog pump? Or in addition to?

I've been strongly considering TBI for this truck as it is...
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Sniper instead of smog pump and EGR. Do some reading on the sniper but if it’s reacting to an O2 sensor then it should be what you want. You could still run the EGR with the sniper but no need to use the air pump system.
 
BlackCat said:
FWIW, I thought that as well. I called Grundy for a quote and asked them about it. They don’t have a restriction on mileage, you just have to have proof you have another vehicle, IE, the car with classic insurance cannot be a daily driver. I’m also in Phoenix.
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I'll give them a call tomorrow before I start other purchases.
 
Grundy said it's too young being a 1991... so universal catalytic converter is on order. And the tuning starts tomorrow...
 
Hi Honger,
Looks like a tough nut to crack. Hope it turns out easier than it appears at present. Your post gave me a start because I have a 1992 RJ77 that just arrived at the container port in NY from Dubai, and it too is a carburated, non-electronic engine. A 22R in my case. Made me double-check Virginia's regs, which fortunately read:

"Motor vehicles exempted from emissions inspections include: . . . Gasoline powered passenger or property carrying vehicles with a model year that is more than 25 years old before January 1 of the current calendar year."

If it gets to be too tough, I daresay you won't have a problem finding a buyer in a more flexible jurisdiction, but having watched with great interest your posts on the 70 Series forum it would be like losing a member of the family, I'm sure.
 
Hi again Honger,
This got me wondering what the rules are in Arizona. It may better than you think. Apparently as of 1 JUN 2019 the rules changed to provide an exception for Collectable Vehicles. It is not all that easy to find definitive text on this, but here is some I found in an industry publication:

Exempt Vehicles
Area “A”- Phoenix & Area “B”-Tucson
• Collectable vehicles which meet the following requirements:
1. Either:
a. bears a model year date of original mfg that is at least fifteen years old.
b. is of unique or rare design, of limited production and an object of curiosity.
2. Meets both of the following criteria:
a. Is maintained primarily for use in car club activities, exhibitions, parades or other
functions of public interest or for private collection and is used only infrequently for
other purposes.
b. Has a collectable vehicle or classic automobile insurance coverage that restricts
the collectable vehicle mileage or use or both, and requires the owner to have
another vehicle for personal use.


The actual final rulemaking was here:
You can ignore everything before page 17

And here is another somewhat informative write-up:
journal.classiccars.com

Do you know the classic vehicle emissions laws in your state?

Effective June 1, 2019, qualified collectible vehicles in Arizona will be exempt from mandatory emissions inspection and maintenance. That’s good news for classic car owners in Arizona, but what about the rest of the country?
journal.classiccars.com journal.classiccars.com

My suggestion would be to go to the DMV and ask them what documentation they need to support the classification. I'm sure members of this forum would be happy to confirm items 1b above in particular. If they want something more definitive perhaps an email from the Land Cruiser Heritage Museum in Salt Lake. They seem like very nice people.
 
John Young said:
Hi again Honger,
This got me wondering what the rules are in Arizona. It may better than you think. Apparently as of 1 JUN 2019 the rules changed to provide an exception for Collectable Vehicles. It is not all that easy to find definitive text on this, but here is some I found in an industry publication:

Exempt Vehicles
Area “A”- Phoenix & Area “B”-Tucson
• Collectable vehicles which meet the following requirements:
1. Either:
a. bears a model year date of original mfg that is at least fifteen years old.
b. is of unique or rare design, of limited production and an object of curiosity.
2. Meets both of the following criteria:
a. Is maintained primarily for use in car club activities, exhibitions, parades or other
functions of public interest or for private collection and is used only infrequently for
other purposes.
b. Has a collectable vehicle or classic automobile insurance coverage that restricts
the collectable vehicle mileage or use or both, and requires the owner to have
another vehicle for personal use.


The actual final rulemaking was here:
You can ignore everything before page 17

And here is another somewhat informative write-up:
journal.classiccars.com

Do you know the classic vehicle emissions laws in your state?

Effective June 1, 2019, qualified collectible vehicles in Arizona will be exempt from mandatory emissions inspection and maintenance. That’s good news for classic car owners in Arizona, but what about the rest of the country?
journal.classiccars.com journal.classiccars.com

My suggestion would be to go to the DMV and ask them what documentation they need to support the classification. I'm sure members of this forum would be happy to confirm items 1b above in particular. If they want something more definitive perhaps an email from the Land Cruiser Heritage Museum in Salt Lake. They seem like very nice people.
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Items 1 and 2a aren't a problem. In fact, for my 1977 FJ40 I met all requirements and skipped the emissions. But the mileage-limiting aspect of most of the collecter's policies is my problem. While I won't be daily driving this truck, I do want to put some serious miles on it traveling and camping the southwest.

IF this weld-in catalytic converter and tune-up don't do the trick then I'll probably just accept the mileage limit up front for the sake of getting title and registration.
 
I'm no fan of a carb. But I don't see any benefit to running a new EFI set up here for the purpose of emissions. You won't have control to lean it out, and it will run at the best mixture, which could be no better on emissions.

Cats, egr and air pump are the actual thing needed. The air pump is ridiculous, but it's how Toyota made the cut by dilution of the exhaust. "Dilution is not the solution for pollution..."

I would not worry about the long term effect of running a tank of E85 or such for the sake of passing a test. Just once every couple years. Put in a 1/4 tank and then after the test fill it up with some premium.

I owned a 3FE for a lot of years, and did not have to put it thru emissions. But it was a stinky gas burning crap engine. I'd would have loved to rip it out and put in an EROD.
 
If you were running an efi system like Megasquirt you could create your own fuel maps and one could be done specifically for beating the emissions test. This is something I'd consider if I had all the 3FE manifolds already....but would be a lot of work to fab up an efi system and work out all the issues just for the test. ;)
 
Seth S said:
If you were running an efi system like Megasquirt you could create your own fuel maps and one could be done specifically for beating the emissions test. This is something I'd consider if I had all the 3FE manifolds already....but would be a lot of work to fab up an efi system and work out all the issues just for the test. ;)
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Just for the test it would be too much work... but for a whole host of other reasons I am toying with a future upgrade to something like the Holley Sniper and an HEI distributor. But I'd like to do that well after I've take care of some other work on the truck.
 
Honger said:
Just for the test it would be too much work... but for a whole host of other reasons I am toying with a future upgrade to something like the Holley Sniper and an HEI distributor. But I'd like to do that well after I've take care of some other work on the truck.
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I think the Holley is a fantastic bolt on mod with so many benefits to justify the investment. I have toyed with building a 2FE and using the stock Fj62 intake assembly as the physical platform and then converting to Megasquirt to drive the components....then you have a relatively stock looking setup and modern controler...(well stock for a FJ62)
 
Okay... I've nearly got things ready.
I adjusted valves... set timing... welded in a catalytic converter.

I just need to do the final lean-drop tune on the carburetor. But my lean adjustment requires an SST, it doesn't have a cross-head. Any pointers on adjusting this? I can't find the SST available anywhere.
 
Is this the one you need?

2030917
 
Honger said:
Yes! Where’d you find it?
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Googled the part # -- I remembered there was an oddball SST for carb adj in the FSM

Honger said:
Is there an alternate way to adjust this knob?
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Don't know. But can't the Mix screw be swapped out for one that is 'Normal'?
 
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