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I've been doing a bit of research about camping with my 100 series and associated costs. This information is probably not specific about the 100 itself, but, this is what I've found so far.

All of these items assume you are already set up with the proper sleeping gear and supplies such as a sleeping bag, cook set, food, etc. This covers just the cost to provide a shelter and life for 3-4 people. In this case, it's myself, wife, and kiddo. It also assumes that you'll be somewhat off the paved roads. Please feel free to add to this post with your ideas and experience.

  1. Family Ground Tent = $300 - $1,000
    This is your typical camping trip on the ground. You could get away with a lot less, but, I find that cheap tents are not worth the price when the wind or rain hits and pole break in the middle of the night. ;) This pricing represents a good quality tent from REI, along with a matching ground tarp (footprint), rain fly, as well as extras such as an annex, interior tent light, gear holder, etc. Other options are available such as a canvas tent or single people could get away with using a smaller tent or even BIVY sack. REI Family Tents
  2. Rooftop Tent = $1,500 - $4,000
    This is a very common item I'm sure most of you know about. However, there may be additional costs involved such as installation labor or a new rack to hold the tent. Price may also include optional parts such as an annex on the ground, awnings, lighting, and or gear holders. Disadvantage to this option is that anytime you want to drive the truck somewhere, the tent must be packed up and folded. Examples: http://store.arbusa.com/ARB-Series-III-Simpson-Rooftop-Tent-ARB3101-P3658.aspx , http://www.bigfoottents.com/ , http://www.cascadiatents.com/
  3. Truck Sleeping = $500 - $2,500 (or gear trailer ~$3-4k)
    This is a tough one to price because if you sleep inside the truck, you'll need to make sure your gear is put somewhere else. Probably not an option for 3-4 people, but, more like a single person. Price is to purchase additional items to hold gear such as a rooftop box or a small trailer. Edit: Additional options include installing a rear drawer system at the same level as the middle row seats. In this case, a mattress could be used to span the remaining area. Gear trailer or rooftop box may not be required for single or double campers as gear could be pushed to the front or to the side. Examples: http://www.tentrax.com/ , http://store.arbusa.com/Storage-Solutions-C75.aspx
  4. Tent Trailer or Teardrop = $7,500 - $20,0000
    These vary in price depending on the options, of course. You could certainly get into one for the lesser price but it may not be prepared for off road. The tent itself is identical to the rooftop tent however it's installed on the trailer. Less expensive trailers might not allow you to sleep in the trailer without connecting it to the vehicle. While better units will allow self supporting jacks to let you sleep in it while disconnected, like a pop-up camper. Examples: http://www.adventuretrailers.com/ , http://www.golittleguy.com/ , http://www.forestriverinc.com/PopUpCampers/ , http://www.socalteardrops.com/, one of my favorites (but not in the US) although price is probably in the medium-size range below http://uev.com.au/
  5. Medium-Size Trailer = $10,000 - $20,000
    As this trailer is larger in size, it's probably reaching the maximum weight capacity for the 100 series. These trailers typically include a VERY small bathroom and self contained kitchen inside. While not desired for off roading, they can be used as a good base-camp trailer. There are some models which can be used off road in the woods they cannot be pulled through rough rocks or steep hills. Examples: http://www.forestriverinc.com/rpod/ , http://www.urvusa.com/ , http://www.casitatraveltrailers.com/
  6. Medium to Large Trailer = $20,000 +
    This is a tough area to be because the larger trailers are too much for my 100 to handle. However, I did find that a small Airstream (16'-20') fits this nicely behind the 100. At 5000lbs, the Airstream Sport can be pulled with the proper brake controls. In this zone, you're really looking at a lot more weight and less off roading other than standard gravel. And, of course, you'll have to decide if you want to take a 30k+ ride out with you in the woods. Examples: http://www.airstream.com/travel-trailers/sport/
  7. Large Trailers or 5th Wheels = N/A
    Because there are both physical and weight limits here, I did not look at larger trailers.

In conclusion, the least expensive camping option is to throw a tent in the truck and set it up when you get to the site. You can spend $1k on the best tent and still come in way below anything else. However, if you are willing to spend a little bit more, a rooftop tent is not a bad alternative.

Frankly, I like the idea of a small trailer that can be pulled behind my ride. Ideally the rooftop tent on a small gear trailer looks to be the best option for me. I like the idea of leaving my equipment and base camp in place if I have to make a run.

What are your ideas or findings ? Any of these better than the other? :popcorn:
 
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You may want to repost this in the camping section. You'll get a much broader response because all of these apply to almost all vehicles.

A good tent would cost you much less than $1000-$1500. Look at REI, North Face, Marmot, etc. You can find great stuff for around $300-$400.

Start simple, if you find yourself out there 20-30+ days a year and find yourself lacking in comforts, then spend more money on different gear. Don't spend thousands of dollars only to find you get out 3 weekends a year.
 
I bought a 48X52" tent and a air mattress with pump for ~300. It fits perfectly on my roof rack and is super easy to throw together after a trail run. It's a poor mans RTT, but it works wonders. Climbing up to the the roof rack can be a bit difficult sometimes. It's like getting out of a pool with a very high wall. I have looked into those fire ladders to hang on the side of the truck. It works for me with no issues. I would not recommend my setup if you have family. It's certainly a one man setup. A rear bumper with a ladder would make it very nice to get up there.
 
I have tons of equipment from my days as a boy scout and month long excursions. First and foremost, get a good sleeping bag that is suited to the area you are camping. You can skimp in a lot of areas, but IMO a sleeping bag isnt one.
 
Personally, I have never paid more than $100 for a tent... ever. And I camp year round in the rain forest of the Pacific Northwest. Personally, I think you all are nuts. Heck, I don't even think I have $1000 into all of my camping stuff combined!

I wasn't gonna point that out, but yeah.

It's all about the used, baby. While I certainly agree with the comment that a sleeping bag is still a prime expenditure, I would just prowl the used web sites of the world until I found something that fit my needs.

Lands End, my butt.
 
Ok - here's a couple more options in reply to the OP:

  1. Pseudo-Offroad Trailer - $6,500+: Look for a used Fleetwood E1, E2 or E3 or Starcraft popup. Or even a a Jayco Baja. While none of them are really "off-road worthy", they may take you and your fam where you want to go or at least provide a good base station.
  2. Canvas Tents - $450 to $!,300: Check out the Springbar canvas tents, or a Kodiak tent for something a little more durable and longer lasting than nylon.
 
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If you are on a budget. I used this a couple of times last summer and really liked it. It's a Napier Sportz Model 84000 tent and has a attachment for to the backside of the LC or any SUV, Mini Van, Truck with a camper / shell. For about 350 dollars (check out REI, BassPro, or Amazon) it has a 10ftx10ft main sleeping area (and has plenty of height, one can stand up inside and walk around) with the screened in side room (6ftx7ft) and awning. Also comes with a rain jacket. The attachment to the back of the SUV is with a couple of straps to the wheel wells and roof rack. Took me about 40 minutes to set it up, but that was because of the wind and the tent would kind of start to kite away. It's made of poly / nylon blend but was a pretty darn good quality. https://us.napieroutdoors.com/store/catalogue/details/1/2/product_id:4/

The cool thing is you have a pretty moisture resistant connector to the back of the SUV, you can open the back hatch and get stuff in and out without getting wet and with a decent privacy. We didn't sleep in the back of the LC but in the main room. Plenty of room for 2 full grown downs (Aussie Kelpie and a Golden Retriever) and 3 adults (2 on a full size queen air mattress) and the other on a camping pad.

Everything is pretty sturdy but set up does take 2 people. It was kind of a challenge when the wind was gusting on the beach, but eventually we got it down. I used sand anchors like these: http://www.rei.com/product/725165/rei-snow-and-sand-tent-anchors

While a lot of our neighbors had their stakes pull out, had none even with the huge gusts of wind over the 2 nights at Carolina Beach. I did pack a full size shovel to dig out 2-3 foot deep holes to place about 10-12 of the anchors (put a little wet sand in each and buried it). Also got some reflective guide lines to connect the anchors to the tent.

General vid for the set up instructions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=772qgpoEbbk

Another guy's review of the set up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nMjjQXX2kY

Pictures from it set up at Carolina Beach (North End) last summer.
Pups inside the screened in area. It doesn't come with a ground tarp for the screened in area, but you can purchase one from them or another approximately 6ftx7ft that will work perfectly well.
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Late afternoon, all set up!
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Side shot.
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Another shot.
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Oh check out expenditionportal.com a lot of good reviews of different tents and set ups that you might find useful. I've seen a lot of the RTT with an overhang that has add on awning that can be turned into a privacy room. Like this one: http://www.cascadiatents.com/index.php?m=94&s=594&c=&id=115
 
Just pulled my m416 with my 100 to Moab. I had been entertaining a RTT for my trailer. As it turned out the campground we stayed at it wouldnt have worked. All tents were required to be in the pad areas.

I love camping and have had great results from my Cabela guide tent. It has weathered some serious storms while I have watched orthers get destroyed.

That being said we spotted a really nice Lance 16 foot trailer in the same area and are serious looking at one this weekend. I can always throw the tent on top of car and go back in middle of nowhere.
 
If you don't mind dragging something around, I'd personally consider an off-road pop-up. If you don't require a brand-new trailer, I think you could come in way under your listed prices for trailers.
 
Thanks guys. I wanted to mention that my list represents estimated prices for new equipment with options included. I typically estimate on the high side and then work my way down to what is reasonable.

As far as the RTT, can these be taken off of the rack and thrown on the ground when you need to?

M
 
These prices seem a little crazy.

My ground tent was $60 and has worked fine for 2 years. Why not buy a $60-$300 ground tent and see how it does.

You can get a 4 person CVT RTT with the annex room for under $1500.

Sleeping in the truck would require drawers or a platform to make the cargo area and middle row seats level. So that could cost anywhere from $30 at Home Depot to $1500 for ARB drawers. This doesn't require a roof rack though. Just move your gear to one side.
 
Personally, I have never paid more than $100 for a tent... ever. And I camp year round in the rain forest of the Pacific Northwest. Personally, I think you all are nuts. Heck, I don't even think I have $1000 into all of my camping stuff combined!

I'm in this boat. I buy stuff that works when I need it. I know I'm sub $1000 and I have a fridge...don't over think this stuff.
 
My ground tent was $60 and has worked fine for 2 years. Why not buy a $60-$300 ground tent and see how it does.

A tent in that range will get you by as a single person or a tight double. But, if you're looking to cover a whole family (of 4) you'll quickly find out that it can be a bit tight. Also, my estimates also include things like the ground cover, rain fly, and a possible annex. You could certainly get by with much less, but, if you're trying to convince the SO to take the family away from the comforts of home, you don't want to skimp on the sleeping arrangements. Unless, of course, if your SO is more outdoorsy than you... But that isn't my case. :meh:


You can get a 4 person CVT RTT with the annex room for under $1500.

Not if you don't have a rack to put it on. :rolleyes: The prices I have are including a rack purchase. I probably should have stated that in my OP, sorry. -- will go back and edit

Sleeping in the truck would require drawers or a platform to make the cargo area and middle row seats level. So that could cost anywhere from $30 at Home Depot to $1500 for ARB drawers. This doesn't require a roof rack though. Just move your gear to one side.

Yes, great for a single guy or a newly acquired GF (who may be on top of you the whole night). :cheers: :clap:

All in all, I think the prices are a bit high as well and will go back and edit a few items on the OP. I always like to keep in mind that whenever I start a project, I typically end up spending more money on the extras that go along with it.
 
A tent in that range will get you by as a single person or a tight double. But, if you're looking to cover a whole family (of 4) you'll quickly find out that it can be a bit tight. Also, my estimates also include things like the ground cover, rain fly, and a possible annex. You could certainly get by with much less, but, if you're trying to convince the SO to take the family away from the comforts of home, you don't want to skimp on the sleeping arrangements. Unless, of course, if your SO is more outdoorsy than you... But that isn't my case. :meh:


4 Person coleman tent. Sleeps me, my wife and german shepherd with room for gear. Comes with rain fly. Bought a $10 tarp form home depot for a ground cover. It's worked in the mountains and on the beach in high wind. 40-50 degrees out. This all depends on the conditions where you're going. Pretty small gamble at $70 all in to test it out. When it fails, I'll buy a nicer ground tent or a RTT.


Not if you don't have a rack to put it on. :rolleyes: The prices I have are including a rack purchase. I probably should have stated that in my OP, sorry. -- will go back and edit

You can use the factory rack with Yakima cross bar adapters $150.
 
I'll add two more options to your list of alternatives.

For Truck Camping, a great option that has the potential to sleep four would be a CampTeq pop top. While sleeping four is a little tight, it's possible for sure. 2 in the tent and two in the truck, on top of a set of drawers and the folded second row.

http://www.campteq.com/

And for rooftop tents, Autohome's line of products are in a whole different category when it comes to ease of use and durability. People seem to be making the switch in droves.

http://www.autohomeus.com/

And my biased choice for a popup tent trailer option, plenty of info in my review so no need to go into details.

http://www.adrenalincampers.com/index.php

I'm in this boat. I buy stuff that works when I need it. I know I'm sub $1000 and I have a fridge...don't over think this stuff.

I agree with /this\ on most fronts. While I tend to glamp quite a bit, I have tons of re-purposed and inexpensive products. My family camping tent which rarely gets used any more is a 5 year old $100 4 person. While not as nice to the touch or the eye as our much more expensive backpacking tent it's still waterproof, stout and easy to use. I expect it will last as long as the later. There are products where quality is paramount and each person has there own list of what those are. A chef may really enjoy a $200 damascus knife in his kit while most of us are content with the pocket knife we use for everything else. A photographer may have a tripod head that is more expensive than an average person's camera. My example where I wasn't willing to skimp was buying a camper that was more expensive than most. Reliability, capability and longevity were paramount attributes to me and all of those needed to be in a package that could sleep 4-5 plus dog comfortably. I could have gotten something much less expensive but the cost would have been reducing or eliminating one of the other attributes. Blue, with his sub <$1000 setup can (and is) be just as comfortable as someone with a $10,000 setup.
 
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I'm in this boat. I buy stuff that works when I need it. I know I'm sub $1000 and I have a fridge...don't over think this stuff.

Same. I just slept 3 nights in the back of my 100 with no issues. I removed the 2nd row and built a sleeping deck with numerous tie downs for my fridge and other gear.

I also just watched jonharis pull his adrenaline camper down trails that most guys on this forum wouldn't even ride shotgun on. If I was going to pull a camper, I'd trust that one.
 
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You can use the factory rack with Yakima cross bar adapters $150.

I didn't know this ! I figured since I saw a warning on my stock rack that says, "max load 150lbs" I assumed it meant total. The three of us combined would equal about 350lbs plus gear. This is excellent news because it puts the RTT more in touch for me.


I'll add two more options to your list of alternatives.

For Truck Camping, a great option that has the potential to sleep four would be a CampTeq pop top. While sleeping four is a little tight, it's possible for sure. 2 in the tent and two in the truck, on top of a set of drawers and the folded second row.

And for rooftop tents, Autohome's line of products are in a whole different category when it comes to ease of use and durability. People seem to be making the switch in droves.

Excellent, I'll add these to the OP. Appreciate the info!

And my biased choice for a popup tent trailer option, plenty of info in my review so no need to go into details.

Can you provide a link to your review? That trailer looks pretty sweet.

m
 
I have done all types of camping from hiking and using a backpack tent to week long kayak trips and sleeping in a hammock with a rainfly along the river (very fun) to car camping. All forms are fun and I always try to keep my set up lite and tight. The lighter and tighter usually means more money.

My wife never went with me on my "EXTREME" trips. Then we had our 1st kid two years ago and just had our second. I needed something that was light and tight but could take the whole family. I decided to get the Somerset E2. It is an offroad pop up and is killer. I literally leave all supplies in the camper and when we want to go we just go. I don't really have to pack anything. It is extremely rugged and made for off-road, but I wouldn't try to do any major off roading. It does have all the amenities and it looks cool. I got it for $14k new. Msrp was $17k. Although its expensive, it got my whole family camping and now we go at least once a month.

I still go roughing it with my boys and love it, but there is nothing like waking up on a memory foam mattress in a climate controlled camper and your kids snuggled up next to you.

Get something the whole family will enjoy. Either way, your cool for camping.

Good luck

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