Calling The 80 Series is Suspension Experts

[meatloaf]

I helped. my brother install an Iron Man 2 1/2 inch lift last weekend on his ‘94 80 series, we still need to replace the control arm bushings and then he will need an alignment. Since we did not have a press to replace the bushings he took it to a alignment shop down in Laredo to see If they could replace these, The tech at the alignment shop told him that he needed to replace both the front and rear panhard bars and that these were more important to replace at this time. Do the pan hard bars have replaceable bushings? According to the alignment tech you cannot get the bushings by themselves, you have to buy the complete bar for front and back

 

[cwwfj60]

Hey Luis,

So the panhards locate the axle side to side. Since you lifted the truck 2 1/2” your axle will shift over slightly (I don’t remember which direction) , if you study the amount of tire sticking out on each side you should be able to notice about a half inch or more on one side.

It’s not a big deal, at least nothing to worry about immediately. Lots of guys run them like this. The solution is a longer pan hard or an adjustable one. These come with new bushings obviously if you go that route.

The stock panhard can be modified also with a threaded adjuster to make it longer, but that’s a little more involved with welding.

 

[KennyBob]

Not answering the original question, sorry Luis. But, another option for aligning the pan hard bar in the back is also to add mount extensions via Delta Vehicle Systems or Eimkeith.

Search: 6 results found for "PCK"

Good stuff for your Toyota. The original PCK® (Panhard Correction Kit) for 3rd, 4th, and 5th Gen 4Runners.

eimkeith.com

Edit: Quick search found theses.

Genuine Toyota FJ80 / FZJ80 80 Series Land Cruiser Panhard Bushings (Front & Rear)

Improve handling and correct front suspension clunks on your 80 series Land Cruiser by replacing your (probably original!) Panhard suspension bushings. We have found that the aftermarket bushings for these vehicles are basically junk. Genuine Toyota is the only way to do it once and do it right...

www.yotamasters.com

 

[meatloaf]

Hey Luis,

So the panhards locate the axle side to side. Since you lifted the truck 2 1/2” your axle will shift over slightly (I don’t remember which direction) , if you study the amount of tire sticking out on each side you should be able to notice about a half inch or more on one side.

It’s not a big deal, at least nothing to worry about immediately. Lots of guys run them like this. The solution is a longer pan hard or an adjustable one. These come with new bushings obviously if you go that route.

The stock panhard can be modified also with a threaded adjuster to make it longer, but that’s a little more involved with welding.

Thanks Cody!

Any suggestions on which panhard bars to buy without breaking the bank?

 

[meatloaf]

Not answering the original question, sorry Luis. But, another option for aligning the pan hard bar in the back is also to add mount extensions via Delta Vehicle Systems or Eimkeith.

Edit: Quick search found theses.

Genuine Toyota FJ80 / FZJ80 80 Series Land Cruiser Panhard Bushings (Front & Rear)

Improve handling and correct front suspension clunks on your 80 series Land Cruiser by replacing your (probably original!) Panhard suspension bushings. We have found that the aftermarket bushings for these vehicles are basically junk. Genuine Toyota is the only way to do it once and do it right...

www.yotamasters.com

Thanks Kenny, I will send this to my brother

 

[cwwfj60]

Thanks Cody!

Any suggestions on which panhard bars to buy without breaking the bank?

Dobinson is an option, but they are $300 each.

Also what Kennybob mentioned is a good idea. I’m planning to try out the eimkeith parts on my wife’s gx470. These are weld on though.

The delta units work well and are bolt on. Not sure on pricing.

 

[KennyBob]

Dobinson is an option, but they are $300 each.

Also what Kennybob mentioned is a good idea. I’m planning to try out the eimkeith parts on my wife’s gx470. These are weld on though.

The delta units work well and are bolt on. Not sure on pricing.

Delta is quite proud of everything they sell imho.

 

[davegonz]

These are easy to cut and weld in and are a good bang for the buck.

SLEE - DIY Front Panhard Rod Adjustable Joint - '91-97 Land Cruiser / Lexus LX 450 - Slee Off Road

Sold as single adjuster Cutting and welding required

sleeoffroad.com

I used his diy adjustable rear upper control arm kit which is similar and was pretty straight forward.

 

[77mustard40]

Luis I went with the rear panhard lift bracket from Delta, pretty straight forward install and it removed the wiggle in the rear end. Highly recommend it.

Bushings can be replaced in the panhard, I need to do all my bushings but am in the same no press boat. I do have the Wits End bushing press tools if you need to borrow them.

Delta Vehicle Systems - FJ/FZJ80/LX450 Rear Panhard Lift Bracket

Fix your rear end wiggle!

www.deltavs.com

 

[davegonz]

Luis I went with the rear panhard lift bracket from Delta, pretty straight forward install and it removed the wiggle in the rear end. Highly recommend it.

Bushings can be replaced in the panhard, I need to do all my bushings but am in the same no press boat. I do have the Wits End bushing press tools if you need to borrow them.

Delta Vehicle Systems - FJ/FZJ80/LX450 Rear Panhard Lift Bracket

Fix your rear end wiggle!

www.deltavs.com

Interesting, Kelly! I have adjustable rear panhard on Betty. Might have to check these out.

 

[77mustard40]

Interesting, Kelly! I have adjustable rear panhard on Betty. Might have to check these out.

Dave it basically gets the panhard back to the stock angle which recenters the rear axle.

Luis, I’d say this is not a high priority item with the lift you installed. Getting your front caster dialed in will be job #1. Lots of ways to do it, my understanding is that the offset bushings that come with the 2” lifts will not get you enough positive caster, and they wear quickly. I’d look at caster correction plates or the cats meow which are Delta’s arms but you are looking at a grand for those babies. I went with plates and they work well, downside is that you have to alter the axle housing. It’s not irreversible but you do have to drill holes or grind a grove depending on the caster plate. Upside to plates or Delta lower control arms is that you retain the stock TEQ rubber bushings and those things ride well and last a long time.

 

[meatloaf]

These are easy to cut and weld in and are a good bang for the buck.

SLEE - DIY Front Panhard Rod Adjustable Joint - '91-97 Land Cruiser / Lexus LX 450 - Slee Off Road

Sold as single adjuster Cutting and welding required

sleeoffroad.com

I used his diy adjustable rear upper control arm kit which is similar and was pretty straight forward.

Dave it basically gets the panhard back to the stock angle which recenters the rear axle.

Luis, I’d say this is not a high priority item with the lift you installed. Getting your front caster dialed in will be job #1. Lots of ways to do it, my understanding is that the offset bushings that come with the 2” lifts will not get you enough positive caster, and they wear quickly. I’d look at caster correction plates or the cats meow which are Delta’s arms but you are looking at a grand for those babies. I went with plates and they work well, downside is that you have to alter the axle housing. It’s not irreversible but you do have to drill holes or grind a grove depending on the caster plate. Upside to plates or Delta lower control arms is that you retain the stock TEQ rubber bushings and those things ride well and last a long time.

Thanks Dave & Kelly,

I sent a link of this thread to my brother so that he can start looking at the different option$.

 

[808keith]

I'm down in SA and bout my 80 from up there in Austin Anyway, I also installed the rear delta lift bracket. Really planted the rear end and got rid of the wiggle. Also re-centered the rear. I agree with 77mustard40.. get that caster squared away or it's not a lot of fun to drive. I also just installed Delta arms and it's made a world of difference. Previous owner put in those caster bushings with the lift and they're junk. Stay clear.. either caster plates or arms is the way to go.

 

[KennyBob]

Another option is caster correction bearings. I’m running a set on my 80 and they work well. I believe I got mine from cruiser outfitters. Downside is you probably want to wait until you have to rebuild your knuckles to do them.

Camber Bearing - 3 Degree Camber/Caster Adjustment. Fits 80 Series Land Cruiser - 1 Kit per knuckle. - Slee Off Road

Camber Bearing - 3 Degree Camber/Caster Adjustment. Fits 80 Series Land Cruiser - 1 Kit per knuckle.

sleeoffroad.com

 

[KennyBob]

And yet a third (or fourth) option for caster correction.

Radius Arm Mounts

One of my goals for our FZJ80 is to keep a relatively low frame height while maintaining as much up-travel as I can. I'm pursuing this in stages; first a 50mm

eimkeith.com