Buying Help re Used 2016-2018 LC’s and LX570’s

[mcgaskins]

How was the LX update “far more significant than the LC”?

I own a ‘17 LX and a ‘16 LC. LX has had AHC, cooled seats, power seats / power third row seats, power tailgate etc. since the 200 came out. It also had a front camera.

The LC added many features (all around cameras, cooled seats, etc, now a power tailgate), that were already on the LX since 2007.

The LX added the horrendous mouse / gigantic non touch screen that killed one of its subs in the sound system and relocated the cup holders to a completely illogical spot next to the AC and stereo controls as a result. Otherwise there aren’t many significant things in the update that the LC didn’t also get.

I guess what I’m saying is a 2016+ LC is a lot closer to a 2016 LX than a 2015 LC is to a 2015 LX.

Umm have you seen (and driven) a 2008-2015 LX 570 next to a 2016+ LX 570? Inside and out, it's a much more thorough update than that of the 08-15 LC compared to the 16+ LC. Both the LX and the LC in 2015 offered heated/cooled front seats, adaptive cruise, heated steering wheel, HID lights, front, back and side cameras, etc. The only main difference between the 15 LX and LC was the power tailgate and the AHC. In 16, both got the safety suite and 8 speed, but the LX was given one of the most dramatic front ends in the auto industry whereas before it looked like a mid 2000s anonymous Lexus LS sedan. The interior was given a huge overhaul completely changing the look to be unrecognizable to the predecessor, whereas all of the updates to the LC were slight evolutions over the prior design. The only part of the dash that was changed is the center control area, and the exterior was modernized but not as dramatically.

The biggest thing I noticed when switching from my 08 LX to a 16 LX then back to the 16 LC was that the driving dynamics are completely different in the 16 LX in a very good way. You can dynamically tune the suspension, steering and throttle response which isn't possible in the LC (not counting the lame "power" button for the transmission), and it feels far more dialed in than the earlier LX. Other than the transmission and the throttle response, the 16 LC doesn't drive any differently than the earlier ones like my 14. I stand by my statement that the LX update in 16 was more dramatic than the update to the LC when comparing them each to their earlier versions.

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[dnh1]

Umm have you seen (and driven) a 2008-2015 LX 570 next to a 2016+ LX 570? Inside and out, it's a much more thorough update than that of the 08-15 LC compared to the 16+ LC. Both the LX and the LC in 2015 offered heated/cooled front seats, adaptive cruise, heated steering wheel, HID lights, front, back and side cameras, etc. The only main difference between the 15 LX and LC was the power tailgate and the AHC. In 16, both got the safety suite and 8 speed, but the LX was given one of the most dramatic front ends in the auto industry whereas before it looked like a mid 2000s anonymous Lexus LS sedan. The interior was given a huge overhaul completely changing the look to be unrecognizable to the predecessor, whereas all of the updates to the LC were slight evolutions over the prior design. The only part of the dash that was changed is the center control area, and the exterior was modernized but not as dramatically.

The biggest thing I noticed when switching from my 08 LX to a 16 LX then back to the 16 LC was that the driving dynamics are completely different in the 16 LX in a very good way. You can dynamically tune the suspension, steering and throttle response which isn't possible in the LC (not counting the lame "power" button for the transmission), and it feels far more dialed in than the earlier LX. Other than the transmission and the throttle response, the 16 LC doesn't drive any differently than the earlier ones like my 14. I stand by my statement that the LX update in 16 was more dramatic than the update to the LC when comparing them each to their earlier versions.

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“Umm”

Yeah. I’ve “seen” them. I have owned a ‘09 and a ‘11 LX. As well as an ‘08 LC.
Thanks for the pictures. How would I not know what a 2017 looks like if I own one? But anyway not a big deal.

I was really just hoping your post didn’t cause the guy not to buy a 2015 LX if he wanted one. I personally think it’s far better looking than the 2016+ with the giant grill but anyway.

LC update was substantial front end and grill wise if we are talking that ...

FWIW you could tune the suspension on the ‘09 and ‘11 LXs I owned. The interior updates are cosmetic and caused by the dash area due to the updated screeen and the mouse pointer causing relocation of things. The seats etc. are the exact same as they were on the ‘09 and ‘11. The throttle and steering response I don’t know about.

Many of the things on a 2019 LX were available on a 2008 LX. A 2019 LC is very different from a 2008 LC. Which is one reaso the prices are very close now compared to back then.

The guy will be happy with whatever he gets.

 

[dnh1]

Here’s my (wife’s) LX. With another behind it. She doesn’t take to the car wash. That’s my job apparently. In addition to paying for it.

 

[willgabriel]

View attachment 1849523 Here’s my (wife’s) LX. With another behind it. She doesn’t take to the car wash. That’s my job apparently. In addition to paying for it.

I appreciate all the helpful info, everyone.
So, the latest: a 2016 Toyota Certified Land Cruiser with 30k miles (one owner) on a large Toyota dealer’s lot fairly closeby. $61,700. Magnetic Gray / Black. And they are offering a great price for my Sequoia. The kicker: I checked the VIN on the Toyota Owner’s website. The vehicle was stolen in October with some rear bumper damage that was replaced. They also changed all the locks and keys. Have you all ever heard of a vehicle with such a history able to get Toyota Certified? I’m REALLY close to green-lighting this deal IF they will come down some on the price. I showed them the stolen info and repair records. So far, they are firm that the vehicle is priced competitively (especially as they are offering a very competitive price for my Sequoia).

 

[BlakeG]

I paid only a bit more (64K) for a 2017 certified LC with 24K miles. And it hadn't been stolen, as far as I know. I just received it today, actually.

I'd want them under 60 for that deal, personally.

 

[dnh1]

I appreciate all the helpful info, everyone.
So, the latest: a 2016 Toyota Certified Land Cruiser with 30k miles (one owner) on a large Toyota dealer’s lot fairly closeby. $61,700. Magnetic Gray / Black. And they are offering a great price for my Sequoia. The kicker: I checked the VIN on the Toyota Owner’s website. The vehicle was stolen in October with some rear bumper damage that was replaced. They also changed all the locks and keys. Have you all ever heard of a vehicle with such a history able to get Toyota Certified? I’m REALLY close to green-lighting this deal IF they will come down some on the price. I showed them the stolen info and repair records. So far, they are firm that the vehicle is priced competitively (especially as they are offering a very competitive price for my Sequoia).

I wouldn’t worry about it being stolen. My 16 LC is that same color. I love it. Mine was a demo and had 5500 mikes on it when I got it. Now it has 51000.

If you want it, go get it.

 

[willgabriel]

I paid only a bit more (64K) for a 2017 certified LC with 24K miles. And it hadn't been stolen, as far as I know. I just received it today, actually.

I'd want them under 60 for that deal, personally.

Wow - amazing deal on a 2017 with low miles - where did you find it? Otherwise. I agree that getting them under 60k would be ideal. Yet, they are offering me enough more for my Sequoia that I feel like I’ve already got a win at $61k.

Glad to hear someone else say not to worry about the stolen piece (dnh1). The dealership certainly doesn’t seem to (nor does the Toyota Certified process).

And it has great service records and a very clean undercarriage. With all the 2016-2018’s I’ve looked at, I’d say this one (especially the color combo) just about has me sold. Now, I’m likely going to ask them to swap out the tires for KO2’s at $0 and see if that’s one way to get a bit more value out of the deal.

 

[mooneywa]

I don’t think the $61.7k price is far off. And I just don’t see it being previously stolen with no major issues and certification being a reason to look for a further discount. Plus with certification, if there’s anything wrong - it gets fixed. I would suggest getting a full warranty before the time is up. There are several threads on this.

I’d suspect that much less than 61, maybe 60, it is better for them to send it to auction, especially if they’re giving you a good price on the Sequoia.

 

[SWUtah]

As December moves along to the end of the year, I’m receiving e-mail / text replies per used LX570’s I’ve looked at. Three are standing out and I’m seeking some input:

1. 2016 LX570 (one owner, no accidents, NOT L/Certified). Starfire Pearl / Black with Luxury package and rear screens. 39k miles on a Toyota lot. $65k. It’s close enough (200 miles away) I can go get it with the busy schedule I have right now.

2. 2016 LX570 (one owner, no accidents, it IS L/Certified). Atomic Silver / Black with Luxury package, but NO rear screens. 30k miles on a Lexus lot. $66k, BUT I’d need to have it shipped ($610) as it’s 610 miles away.

3. 2015 LX570 (one owner, no accidents, it IS L/Certified). Black Onyx / Black with Luxury package and the older, smaller rear screens. 42k miles on a local Lexus lot. $53k. The closest of the three (80 miles away).

By market value, the 2016 Atomic Silver is the best value. Yet, when I add in shipping (to include getting them my Sequoia trade), it’s another $1000 (the $610 for one way plus a discount for the roundtrip). All three are offering the same for my trade-in (a pretty good price). For the 2015, I wouldn’t be paying anything. Just swapping keys and titles, etc. I do like the 2016 updates though...

Thoughts?

2015 all day long is better looking than the 16+ and its certified that’s a good price especially if you put 200,000 miles on it. As certified thier going to pay for your 60,000 mile service which is worth about $800-$1000 you can add that in. Also beyond looks the only mechanical difference between the 2015 LX 570 and the 2016 LX 570 is the 2015 has the tried-and-true six speed transmission where the 2016 and up has the new eight speed. But one big caveat you mention that you are a full-time minister at a church I wouldn’t be buying A LX570 the Land Cruiser is way more low-profile most of your parishioners will never know that it’s a $90,000 vehicle you don’t want them cutting your salary, thinking they pay you too much

 

[mcgaskins]

2015 all day long is better looking than the 16+ and its certified that’s a good price especially if you put 200,000 miles on it. As certified thier going to pay for your 60,000 mile service which is worth about $800-$1000 you can add that in. Also beyond looks the only mechanical difference between the 2015 LX 570 and the 2016 LX 570 is the 2015 has the tried-and-true six speed transmission where the 2016 and up has the new eight speed. But one big caveat you mention that you are a full-time minister at a church I wouldn’t be buying A LX570 the Land Cruiser is way more low-profile most of your parishioners will never know that it’s a $90,000 vehicle you don’t want them cutting your salary, thinking they pay you too much

That is a very good point. My 2016 LC is worth triple my 2008 LX, yet most people assume the LX is the more expensive vehicle. The vast majority of people think the LC is slotted UNDER the 4runner price wise, mostly because they have no idea what it is. It’s much stealthier than the LX which the 16+ screams “look at me I’m expensive!”.

 

[willgabriel]

I don’t think the $61.7k price is far off. And I just don’t see it being previously stolen with no major issues and certification being a reason to look for a further discount. Plus with certification, if there’s anything wrong - it gets fixed. I would suggest getting a full warranty before the time is up. There are several threads on this.

I’d suspect that much less than 61, maybe 60, it is better for them to send it to auction, especially if they’re giving you a good price on the Sequoia.

I agree. I’m close to an even swap for my 2018 Sequoia Platinum, 4WD. With the Certified Pre-Owned status of the LC, it’s the best deal I’ve seen in a month of looking. And I really like the Sequoia (which was a gift based on my grandmother passing away a year ago and the sale of land), yet, I think investing a little out of pocket to get a favorite color 2016 LC with under 30k miles is a no-brainer for me.

 

[willgabriel]

Being swamped at church (‘tis the season) means I’ve not been able to travel the 220 miles to close any deal on the 2016 Certified LC. It’s still available. In the meantime, as is usually the case from what I’ve seen other patient buyers say, other offers have come in. One that is sort of intriguing involves a 2018 DEMO LC with 7k miles on it (Magnetic Gray / Black) closeby (60 miles away) marked down to $75k. I’m not getting as much for my trade (it’s in line with the other offers though). And I found a NEW 2017 Magnetic Gray/Black LC DEMO with 9k miles on it too. It’s marked down to $69k, but is about 480 miles away. Similar offer for my Sequoia trade-in. Thoughts?

 

[dnh1]

Being swamped at church (‘tis the season) means I’ve not been able to travel the 220 miles to close any deal on the 2016 Certified LC. It’s still available. In the meantime, as is usually the case from what I’ve seen other patient buyers say, other offers have come in. One that is sort of intriguing involves a 2018 DEMO LC with 7k miles on it (Magnetic Gray / Black) closeby (60 miles away) marked down to $75k. I’m not getting as much for my trade (it’s in line with the other offers though). And I found a NEW 2017 Magnetic Gray/Black LC DEMO with 9k miles on it too. It’s marked down to $69k, but is about 480 miles away. Similar offer for my Sequoia trade-in. Thoughts?

My thought is you’re thinking too much. Pick one and get it.

 

[fireball]

My thought is you’re thinking too much. Pick one and get it.

That there, son, is good advice!

 

[mooneywa]

Frankly the difference between 7k, 9k, and 20k or even 30k miles are negligible especially when dealing with 2016 and 2017s which are identical. I very much believe however that the difference between a vehicle that costs $61,700 and one that costs $75k for a difference of 1 year and 23k miles is not reasonable. That's $.58/mile. The average car depreciates $.08/mile and the total cost to operate is $.60/mile.

I'd expect to buy a 2018 for about $75k now, not a 2017 with 7k miles.

You can buy the one at $61,700, add a $0 deductible platinum warranty for 7/125k for $1700, and buy new KO2s and still be $10k ahead... not to mention $625 of added taxes on that $10k of difference.

The demo that is down to $69k is much more reasonable, but still a little high. My '17 with 20k roughly split the difference between the two '17s you're referring to.

 

[willgabriel]

Alright, the verdict is in and the deal is done. After over a month of looking, I traded the Sequoia for a 2016 Lexus LX570 with 20k miles on it. Not certified, but one owner, clean Carfax, good Lexus dealer records. Atomic Silver / Black. Luxury package and DVD screens. Less than $65k and very good value for my trade-in. I really like it (have already driven it 500 miles; from Nashville where I found it and to and back from St Louis today to pick up my son who likes the back seat screens.) One thing I’ll likely do soon (and could use advice on): Changing to 20” wheels so as to get a better tire selection. That being said, thanks for all the solid input / advice!

 

[bjorn240]

If you want 20” OEM Lexus wheels from a 2015, I took mine off to put on Rock Warriors. I would be willing to sell them. Perfect condition.

 

[willgabriel]

If you want 20” OEM Lexus wheels from a 2015, I took mine off to put on Rock Warriors. I would be willing to sell them. Perfect condition.

I’m definitely interested! May I see pics? How much and cost to ship to 42240 (a PM is fine for any and all info)? Thanks in advance!

 

[SWUtah]

Alright, the verdict is in and the deal is done. After over a month of looking, I traded the Sequoia for a 2016 Lexus LX570 with 20k miles on it. Not certified, but one owner, clean Carfax, good Lexus dealer records. Atomic Silver / Black. Luxury package and DVD screens. Less than $65k and very good value for my trade-in. I really like it (have already driven it 500 miles; from Nashville where I found it and to and back from St Louis today to pick up my son who likes the back seat screens.) One thing I’ll likely do soon (and could use advice on): Changing to 20” wheels so as to get a better tire selection. That being said, thanks for all the solid input / advice!

Congratulations on your new ride. You will love it!! I would just like to hear the feedback you get from your congregation and your church council? Like I said in a earlier post. I doubt your congregation would notice a difference between your Toyota Sequoia and a “new” LC. But when you show up in that LX “$100k” vehicle in your city with a $30k median income good luck on the donations and your next salary review from your church council. Personally I worked my whole life in a high risk high reward employment environment job security was not a part of my life there is no way if I went to church and saw that my minister was driving $100,000 car would I be giving money to the church. Not saying that what you do isn’t very important I think it’s extremely important but if I am making $30,000 a year scraping to support my family and my ministers driving a $100,000 car I’m not Happy. I think your out of touch. Just saying

 

[willgabriel]

I would just like to hear the feedback you get from your congregation and your church council? Like I said in a earlier post. I doubt your congregation would notice a difference between your Toyota Sequoia and a “new” LC. But when you show up in that LX “$100k” vehicle in your city with a $30k median income good luck on the donations and your next salary review from your church council. Personally I worked my whole life in a high risk high reward employment environment job security was not a part of my life there is no way if I went to church and saw that my minister was driving $100,000 car would I be giving money to the church. Not saying that what you do isn’t very important I think it’s extremely important but if I am making $30,000 a year scraping to support my family and my ministers driving a $100,000 car I’m not Happy. I think your out of touch. Just saying

Yes, I hear what you’re saying. Thought about it quite a bit well before reading your post... for about 18 years while driving a $4,000 BMW 525, two 80 and one 100 series Land Cruisers paid less than $10,000 each for, and now with this used Lexus LX570 that was once worth over twice my salary. It’s the love of money / stuff that’s the problem, not the money / stuff said the wise Savior and Lord. And, this “stuff” was bought for me - per a new SUV - by a parent, after my grandmother died and family land was sold. I just negotiated and waited and found a great value for a vehicle that is extraordinary, yet way more than I (or really, anyone) need - trading the new for used. So, I agree with you. And I can see myself going back to an FJC (just as fun at a much more reasonable price) or an older Land Cruiser in a few years. I just wanted, while I had the equity gift available, to try an LX570. Someone else ate the $34k+ in depreciation and it’s a safe investment for a few years which I’ll be able to sell for close to what I paid for it. And if having it adversely impacts my salary and some relationships even though many people who know me well understand me owning it was the result of a vehicle gift, I’ll own some of that burden. Yet, some of other people’s issue with “stuff” I currently drive is not on me, but on their love of mammon (-ie, stuff).