Blown Head Gasket on a 97 with 77K ????

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About a week ago I was cruising down the road and the A/C stopped working in my 97. I took it to Toyota of San Diego. They added 1.5 quarts and a week later I have a blown head gasket. $2,000 minimum. Is this normal ? I'm in awe that such a low mileage vehicle would have issues like this. Any advice ?

Thank you, Matt
 
Added 1.5 quarts of what? coolant?

Why, was it overheating?
 
Is this normal ? I'm in awe that such a low mileage vehicle would have issues like this. Any advice ?

Ooh yeah,

I think that is normal. The 97 model has a lot of problems with the cooling system. We have here in my town only three Landcruisers. All 97 model with all options. And all low mileage under 60k miles. The first one has a blown headgasket, the second one is lying with a radiator that exploded the other day and my radiator cracked two months ago between the plastic top and the aluminium at only 51k miles.

I have other friends with 94 and 95 models. Never heard of such issues.

I believe that Toy put all the nice stuff in the last model year and overloaded the system or it is bad radiator/cooling design.

What ever it is, as a owner of a 97 be aware of your cooling system. Any small leakage will destroy your radiator and/or head gasket. Check coolant every other day and check for leakage at least once a week. Still most likely your radiator won't make it for a long time.

I love my 97 but all the examples show that there is something terrible wrong in the cooling system of the 97 models.

Mike
 
$2000.00 is about right for the repair. Toyota has changed the construction of the HG and there haven't been any reports of the new style failing. I changed mine out as a PM item. This isn't just 97s, however for whatever reason they seem more prone to it.
 
I wouldn't call it "normal" since that implies that at least half will suffer this problem, but there have been a lot of HG failures in the 97's.

Was there any sign of a problem before the A/C cut out?

Happened to mine at about 90K. But I had some warning (which I foolishly overlooked) when the water pump gave out at about 80K and I ran it hot for a little while. I don't know if it would have made a difference, but in the back of my mind, I always wonder if I could have saved it had I just pulled over and called AAA for a tow.

On the bright side, with the new HG installed, I no longer worry about it, though I now keep a really close eye on the gauges--especially when towing.
 
I have a 97 and it has 138k miles with no problems, or blown head gaskets.
 
I too have a 97 with 145K and have never had HG issues...
 
AsiaMike - glad to see you back.

Blown head gasket with 77k. Of course, why not? Have you been the owner since new? Blew mine at around 33k cause last owner never changed the frickin oil. Sammy and Cruiser4 - don't worry, your's will likely go next week :flipoff2:
 
Once you get your head gasket done, pay some special attention to your cooling system. My 97 was running warm when towing. I switched out the rad for the 1994 3 core brass radiator, a new fan fluid coupling and new thermostat. I also now fully flush the cooling system every year. Made a huge difference. Now I cannot get the needle to move, even pulling a 3500lb boat up huge passes here in B.C.. I also have a S/C that adds even more heat to the equation.
Cheers,
Sean
 
bahahahaha -- the '97s shall perish like dinosaurs in the tar while the rest of the 80s eat their lunch --

;)

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Yep the '97 head gasket failure is normal, just like it's normal for a '97 to have lockers. (i.e. hit or miss with either)

My '97 had some overheating issues, which were traced to a bad fan clutch, since I've replaced that I can't get my gauge to move, granted the gauge is not terribly accurate, a real temp gauge or a continous (PDA maybe, or onboard laptop) OBD2 device reading the coolant temp from the ECU would be helpful.

I don't know if it really depends on how hard of life the vehicle leads or not. My '97 has not seen the easiest life, I got it with 49K miles and have driven it pretty hard since, however here in Colorado it's not that hot, a/c is never on, so the engine can get rid of heat easier here than say SoCal or Phoenix, etc...maybe that has something to do with it..??

I have 123K miles on my '97, no signs of anything really bad happening yet...which means tonight my head gasket will go, tranny will explode, etc... :D
 
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Yep the '97 head gasket failure is normal, just like it's normal for a '97 to have lockers. (i.e. hit or miss with either)

I don't know if it really depends on how hard of life the vehicle leads or not. My '97 has not seen the easiest life, I got it with 49K miles and have driven it pretty hard since, however here in Colorado it's not that hot, a/c is never on, so the engine can get rid of heat easier here than say SoCal or Phoenix, etc...maybe that has something to do with it..??

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I think several things contribute to or correlate with HG failures. Climate, driving style, maintenance style, use of A/C, towing, short trips, crappy coolant brands, and luck. Between all of those things the question is will taking all the proper precautions prevent the HG failure? Apparently not as there are several folks here who seem to take top care of their rigs but who have had HG failure anyway. Probably the most effective, expensive and permanent precaution is replacing the HG as part of preventive maintenance but for most, this is not in the realm of preventive maintenance. For me, I'm going to go as long as I can with the original HG and the original rad. If anything seems warm at all, I will look at the metal rad, new fan clutch, new thermostat etc. BTW, has anyone collected enough sludge yet to send for sampling? I'm still waiting to send my money as a group purchase to finally settle the mysterious sludge question.
 
Talked to Toyota of Manhattan Beach today and they're telling me that the cylinder head is cracked. Total out the door - $3,223.55

This seems like a very common problem. If so, why hasn't Toyota stepped in to do something about it ? I'm going to Toyota Corporate with this as I have impecable service records and this simply should not happen. The Toyota Land Cruiser is designed for the harshed environments in the world, yet has cooling problems ??? I'd hate to be driving one in Sub-Saharan Africa or OZ with issues like this.

Is anyone interested in addressing this issue with me and contacting Toyota etc ?? Perhaps a poll would be enough evidence to convince Toyota ??

Any advice is appreciated.

Thank you, Matthew Orton 1997 FZJ80
 
IF you are the original owner AND you have all the service records, Toyota MAY consider assisting you with the repair.

Remember to ask for assistance as opposed to demanding it. (much better chances).
 
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Talked to Toyota of Manhattan Beach today and they're telling me that the cylinder head is cracked. Total out the door - $3,223.55

Any advice is appreciated.

Thank you, Matthew Orton 1997 FZJ80
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Ouch! Man I'm so sorry to hear the harsh news with the head and the headgasket. I do not think I have heard about the aluminum head cracking, this seems extra extreme to me! I would approach Toyota about this. I would approach them from the perspective of a loyal, if not frustrated, customer who wants to continue to drive these terrific toyota vehicles. Emphasize previous perfect maintenance records and such. Emphasize any friends or family who you have referred, or will refer. Emphasize that this is unacceptable unless they totally or partially help defer the costs. You never know, they might say yes, no, or something halfway. Make it easy for them to say yes, and they might? Bottom line is you are absolutely right - these vehicles are designed to do almost anything, go almost anywhere, and according to my local toyota rep who sold my father an 80 and a 100 series, they are designed to last twenty years.
On another related subject, as many here know, toyota recalled the HG on the 3.0 L V6 engines like the one in my 88Runner. In my case, my HG had not failed, it was just getting close to the cutoff time and my dealer did the repair at my request. They set me up with a rental car, did the HG R&R, and at the same time replaced all the parts that are replaceable with that job. They only charged me for the replaceable parts and not for the labor as it was the same labor to put old parts back or new parts back. It was first class service all the way however between myself and my immediate family, we have purchased probably fifteen vehicles from this favorite dealer and we are known to the management for lots and lots of referrals. That probably helped. What I would like to know, and perhaps CruiserDan can shed some light, is HOW did the V6 HG recall get going? Was it a formal complaint similar to the one that BII might make with his head, was it a gathering of statistical information that indicated a part failure percentage higher than tolerable for toyota standards? Was it a request from the dealers to the factory so that dealers dont take such a serious hit for comping this repair repeatedly? It would be really interesting to know the conditions that set that recall in motion and it would be really wonderful to be able to collectively create the conditions to set this recall in motion. Just thinking out loud, anyone else???
 
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AsiaMike - glad to see you back.

Blown head gasket with 77k. Of course, why not? Have you been the owner since new? Blew mine at around 33k cause last owner never changed the frickin oil. Sammy and Cruiser4 - don't worry, your's will likely go next week :flipoff2:
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When and if I ever do (which in unlikely)... I'll be driving a new sporty car and then I'll have the HG replaced. Oh man, I'll be driving around 2 nice cars. Or I just might switch out the engine... won't know until it happens, if it ever does...

- Chase
 
car-part.com shows a 1996 head at All Auto Parts in Fontana, CA for $500. I would get a used part.

1-800-797-4595
All Auto Parts

There's also one at A1 Auto Wreckers in San Jose for $600, but it's a 1993.
 
All 1FZ cylinder heads will interchange (North America anyway).
 
>> Is anyone interested in addressing this issue with me and contacting Toyota etc ?? <<

Matt,
I have contacted Toyota and politely made the point that there are issues with the HG on the 1FZ-FE. I received a polite reply about a week later. That was 2 years ago.

-B-
 
Toyota won't stand behind an engine with less than 100K ? That is craziness.
 

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