AltFuel Biodiesel

[cpip]

Try this link.

http://www.peakoil.net/DiscoverGap.html

The discovery of oil has been declining logarithmically since 1960. Consumption is increasing exponentially. The problem seems pretty obvious.

 

[Previa Diesel]

i have to admit i skim read the posted link but i did not see there any evidence that the oil supply has peaked and is reclining. i see wordy statements

Yup, there's a whole lotta words on that site.

You might want to read the Peak Oil Primer at the top of the page...

When people like the CEO of Chevron, James Schlesinger, Warren Buffet and the former chief geologist for Aramco (look it up) say we're in trouble, I'm inclined to listen. (I have a wife and mortgage to think of )

Skimming just isn't going to cut it on an issue of this complexity and importance, but I think you'll find it time well spent if you look into it.

I'd like to believe it's all BS, but I'm afraid my survival instincts don't allow me to ignore this kind of information.

The last two links I posted refer to the fact that since the early 70s OPEC has had a deal with the US to only accept payment for oil in USD. Everyone who needs oil from OPEC therefore needs USD and lots of them. So Japan, China and most of the other countries who have huge trade surpluses with the US end up spending most of those dollars on oil. The OPEC countries then re-invest their huge USD holdings in US govt. bonds etc. This is how the US finances a three trillion dollar national debt and a $50,000,000. an hour trade deficit. If the OPEC countries stop using USD and use Euros instead, the whole house of cards comes down around our heads.

The US it is suggested, invaded Iraq primarily because Saddam converted his twenty billion dollar oil fund to Euros and said he would only accept Euros in payment for Iraqi oil in future. Now Iran says it is going to do almost the same thing in March 2006.

We live in interesting times gentlemen...

 

[crushers]

so where does it show how they determine, without a doubt, the level of the oil in the ground?
i have chatted extensively with a couple geologists and neither of them could give me solid foundations for the reports. in a nut shell it is speculation at best based on faith.
they did the same BS back in the 70s with the same although less wordy explainations and 30 years later they are doing it again to a new generation.
once I have been BS'd to i have a hard time beleiveing again later.

and in the end, if the oil WAS to dry up in 6 months, what difference will it make? except to increase the cost to the consumer in the mean time...

sorry, you have a family and mortgage and are concerned, i have a family and a mortgage and i am not. when the fuel runs out, it does and there is NOTHING you and i can do to stop it.

sorry, i gave up worring about things i can not change a few years back. all worring does is give you ulcers and a poor nights sleep.

cheers

 

[Previa Diesel]

I said "think", not "worry". You don't want to think about it - or read about it? Fine with me.

If you're as ready as you can, or need to be for some serious economic problems, great.

If not, well, that's why I'm posting this stuff. It might save some folks a lot of grief.

 

[crushers]

so if the economic world goes to hell in a hand basket, what can one really do? mortage rates will sky rocket, jobs will be extremely scarce, free money will be a thing of the past...
i was here for hte last recesion in Alberta back in 81. i was a roofer at the time and a sea of roofs as far as you could see. the boom went bang and you could not buy a job, in 1985 the mortage interest rates went to 21% and people were walking into the banks returning the keys for their homes. it wasn't he dirty thirties but it was bad enough.
it can happen again tomorrow but there is nothing you can do to prevent it. you need to live within your means but even having a highe bank account is no reassurance.
i refuse to live in fear of what might happen. it isn't ignorance that i am talkign about but i will not believe everything that is printed. NO ONE can predict the future. Maybe we will all need to use the Euro. to me that is fine, bring it on. As Canadians we are used to changes. we will adapt. we always have.
but to live in fear is a waste of life.
cheers and peace

 

[Previa Diesel]

1. eliminate outstanding debts
2. live on a piece of areable land large enough to support you and your family
3. stock up on everything that is useful for self-sufficiency of every kind.
4. have a reserve of real money: gold or silver.

If that sounds like fear-mongering, remember that our forefathers tried to be self-sufficient for the very simple reason that it was just a wise thing to do - not to mention a hell of a lot healthier in every way.

 

[crushers]

1. eliminate outstanding debts
2. live on a piece of areable land large enough to support you and your family
3. stock up on everything that is useful for self-sufficiency of every kind.
4. have a reserve of real money: gold or silver.

If that sounds like fear-mongering, remember that our forefathers tried to be self-sufficient for the very simple reason that it was just a wise thing to do - not to mention a hell of a lot healthier in every way.

nope, that sounds very much like common sense. not everyone can afford property big enough to support them and ther family though and have silver and gold left over to hord.
my suggestion is to live within your means and have simple tastes.
as for living on a farm being more healthy... i agree completely.
cheers and peace.

 

[brownbear]

how did this end of time crap start in a biodiesel thread?

IMOP, we have oil in many places untapped in the world. As if we know the whole world inside and out. Under the oceans is whole new game. Think of all the oil the newfies are fighting to keep the profits for!

Now, why biodiesel? Its more envriomentally friendly. Why do you care? Do you have children? We need polute less. But since most of us are diesel guys, we are poluting less.

Except I can't say that right now, as my DD is Ford with a 7.5L, UUGH "My dad is a Green house gas emitter"is what my son is going to say!

 

[browndog]

Hey Guys:

First things first. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all. I've certainly enjoyed spending time on this site and have learned much of what I know about LandCruisers from you. Thanks.

As for the topic of oil availability, several points made in the last couple of posts are valid. We don't know exactly how much oil is left, but the evidence does indicate that PEAK oil is either near or has been reached (it may not yet be in decline). It is certainly possible that new reserves will be found and made accessible with new technology, but at some point we've got to stop @#*(ing around with ecosystems (especially the world's oceans) and do something different.

The point is not to worry about impending doom, but instead to start the transition to something else as soon as possible, rather than having change forced on you. We have technologies today, like biofuels and hybrid vehicles, that will help us transition to something more sustainable than petroleum. They aren't perfect end-all solutions, but they ARE excellent transitional technologies. If we get serious about these technologies and researching new options (especially in the US) we may just get to a point where everyone can relax a little.

Final thought: fully supported searches for alternative fuels makes sense for many reasons, including the following:
1. Petroleum, regardless of how much is available, will not be able to meet increasing demands, particularly as China becomes more dominant on a global scale.

2. There are a number of reasons beyond supply why we should begin to wean ourselves from petroleum, including geopolitical instability, ecological impacts, air pollution, yada yada yada.

3. Cruisers like BIODIESEL!

Now go have fun with your families and loved ones!

 

[Kalawang]

There's no real need to worry. The very fact that petroleum products will become more and more expensive will be the driving force in the search for alternative energy sources. I doubt the oil will run out before the alternatives step in. Capitalism and the profit motive will drive the change.

My personal favorite is electricity and it's only real need is better batteries and better electric motors. However, part of the future will probably include bio deisel and other alternative fuels at least as transition vehicles.


Kalawang

 

[stasis1]

err cold fusion
Another thing im thinking of purchasing the Mdl 30 series from biodiesel gear wat do you guys think and of it works i might seriously think to uy the touchless system to save time
Wat is actually the safest level of mix of Biod with petroD w/o much complication to the egine and fuel line and doesnt void the warranty on the car? (Commercial use?)

 

[stasis1]

To those people who manyfactures their own BioD, what do you do with the byproduct Glycerol? sell it or wat?
Im now about 80% sure of getting the 100 series from the biodieselgear reactor

 

[harveya]

Hey Guys:

First things first. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all. I've certainly enjoyed spending time on this site and have learned much of what I know about LandCruisers from you. Thanks.

As for the topic of oil availability, several points made in the last couple of posts are valid. We don't know exactly how much oil is left, but the evidence does indicate that PEAK oil is either near or has been reached (it may not yet be in decline). It is certainly possible that new reserves will be found and made accessible with new technology, but at some point we've got to stop @#*(ing around with ecosystems (especially the world's oceans) and do something different.

The point is not to worry about impending doom, but instead to start the transition to something else as soon as possible, rather than having change forced on you. We have technologies today, like biofuels and hybrid vehicles, that will help us transition to something more sustainable than petroleum. They aren't perfect end-all solutions, but they ARE excellent transitional technologies. If we get serious about these technologies and researching new options (especially in the US) we may just get to a point where everyone can relax a little.

Final thought: fully supported searches for alternative fuels makes sense for many reasons, including the following:
1. Petroleum, regardless of how much is available, will not be able to meet increasing demands, particularly as China becomes more dominant on a global scale.

2. There are a number of reasons beyond supply why we should begin to wean ourselves from petroleum, including geopolitical instability, ecological impacts, air pollution, yada yada yada.

3. Cruisers like BIODIESEL!

Now go have fun with your families and loved ones!

I think these are valid points.

Most of the Diesel cars in the world will run on Veg oil - a sustainable resource, one way tp use up the grain mountains - grow Oil seed rape. Also Petrol engines can run on ethanol - can come from a sustainable resource - Sugar crops - thats how the Brazilians do it.

The combustion engine isn't going to go away, however the economy might have to change with the money going to some of the developing nations who can grow this stuff in quantity and away from the Petroleum companies - can't happen soon enough to be honest, we have been held to ransome by the oil producing nations for far too long. Maybe the arab nations and the Russians will have to start finding other ways of making money and diversify. Well it will make them think for a change instead of just living on the oil revenue.

I don't think the west will end up in huge problems, they still have the money source that will be used to develope the crops that produce sustainable resources - that's as long as they pull their finger out and do something.

Plus the sustainable resources are far kinder to the planet - not that I am an environmentalist (I wouldn't drive an LC if I was) but it doesn't hurt to be more environmentally friendly.

 

[stasis1]

i myself conserving water and energy s well. I think if we use Biod of all our cars in the world we would be better off.
In Oz they have just finished doing a study on the climate changes and they think that by the year 2070 oz will experience 3-4 folds more days that are 35 degress and above in 1 year. that tells you some thing isnt it.

 

[browndog]

Stasis1:

Dealing with the glycerol can be problematic, but there are some good uses. Depending on where you live (dry or moist climate) you can simply add the glycerol to compost--it acts as a compost catalyst. You can also use it to make soap, or contact a local soap maker and give it to them. Finally, some folks have mixed it with sawdust to create a duraflame type fire log. I've begun to do this, but you need to make sure that you burn it at high temps and not in a place where the fumes can build up. It will work great for outdoor fires.

 

[stasis1]

Stasis1:

Dealing with the glycerol can be problematic, but there are some good uses. Depending on where you live (dry or moist climate) you can simply add the glycerol to compost--it acts as a compost catalyst. You can also use it to make soap, or contact a local soap maker and give it to them. Finally, some folks have mixed it with sawdust to create a duraflame type fire log. I've begun to do this, but you need to make sure that you burn it at high temps and not in a place where the fumes can build up. It will work great for outdoor fires.

Browndog,
ok i didnt know that the glycerol is a catalyst for compost. As far as i know glyceral can be use in making cosmetics. And glycerol is not cheap for cosmetics makers. Iwas thinking of selling the byproduct to the cosmetics maker. Problem is quantity wise cos is going to be home industry for me so small quantity and irregular supplies.

Dp you manufacture your pwn BioD? Im thinking of purchasing the equipent from biodieselgear. Also just found out we have to pay and excise tax for A$0.381/ltr in oz even if you make it your own.

 

[M John Galt]

You might want to study the information at these links before you spend any money purchasing inappropriate equipment.

http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x

There are lots of folks selling 'biodiesel' equipment and a lot of the stuff is junk, or dangerous, and sometimes just a scam like the BD crap on e-bay.

 

[browndog]

Stasis1:

Yes, I make my own bio. I wouldn't recommend buying a kit because they are WAY overpriced and not necessarily the best design. I built an "appleseed" type reactor from plans off the web, and it works great. Pretty simple to put together, and cost me around $250-300 to get started. If you decide to build your own, I have some suggestions for design modifications that may help you. PM me if interested.

 

[brownbear]

Also just found out we have to pay and excise tax for A$0.381/ltr in oz even if you make it your own.

why exactly do you have to declare it? how do they know?

@&@&@&@& em.

 

[stasis1]

yea true i dont have to declare it. But i was just serprised when i found it out thats all. Even its for our own use i cant beleive it. i think the govt are trying to protect the oilc companies.