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BC folks might be interested in this study: http://www.wd.gc.ca/rpts/research/biodiesel/full_e.pdf

It's a full-on assessment of what it might take to put a bit 'o biodiesel in tanks around the province.

I'd expect BC, or perhaps SK, to take a lead on this...out here, it's a rather different story. I'm pretty sure the 100 litres a week I produce in my shed is pretty much the total BD production of Newfoundland + Labrador.
 
Vaardawg said:
I am totally fascinated with this biodiesel thread. I don't presently have time and resources to make biodiesel myself, but would like to find out how to get it, if possible. Any fellow British Columbians know about the availability of commercial biodiesel, particularly in the Okanagan?
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http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/cfrm/f/698605551

http://forums.biodieselnow.com/

I noticed there are some links to discussions about biodiesel in BC on these two sites. Might help you connect.

I know there is one place in Abby that is setting it's self up to produce biodiesel from animal waste: http://www.abbotsfordtimes.com/issues05/021105/news/021105nn6.html

I really am going to have to call them and see if they are only selling to commercial operations...

EDIT and a link to an article that talks about the Vancouver Biodiesel Coop...LandCruiser content...one of the principles runs a 1983 diesel LC http://www.straight.com/content.cfm?id=4877 END EDIT

hth's

gb
 
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GoldBoy - straight veg oil + diesel would turn into gunk. Most folks who run SVO have a separate and heated tank, fuel line and filter set-up, and a mechanism for switching b/w SVO and either bio- or dino-diesel.

In certain climates and with the right veg feedstock (viscosity of the stock at the point of injection being the key) one could dispense with the heated fuel path, but not in this country I'm sure!
 
Crushr said:
GoldBoy - straight veg oil + diesel would turn into gunk. Most folks who run SVO have a separate and heated tank, fuel line and filter set-up, and a mechanism for switching b/w SVO and either bio- or dino-diesel.

In certain climates and with the right veg feedstock (viscosity of the stock at the point of injection being the key) one could dispense with the heated fuel path, but not in this country I'm sure!
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It depends really on the temperature.
Veggie oil and diesel do mix fine, it does not turn into gunk from the mixing procedure, they are both long carbon compounds.
However, if the temp goes low, the veggie will make it all gell, and one has to heat it up to liquify it.
 
re: gunk. I agree with Jan-78FJ40...the gunk doesn't occur during mixing, only if the temp drops. Depending on the ratio, this could readily occur in the fall temps experienced in most of Canada.
 
i have been considering a toyota diesel for the MPG reason and looking for rides that run on bio diesel and or WVO ( waste vegi oil) i am happy to see a few people here running there toyotas on the sutff and better yet a few that want to try WVO.
NOT wanting to blow my motor i have been doing alot fo research on this aspect and looking at making part of my garaga a bit of a fuel refinery!!!
good luck all let share some knowlege and stuff and get this done!!
 
Dogsled said:
re: gunk. I agree with Jan-78FJ40...the gunk doesn't occur during mixing, only if the temp drops. Depending on the ratio, this could readily occur in the fall temps experienced in most of Canada.
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Something else to consider depending on the filtering of WVO you can limit how much "gunk" will happen especially if you remove the Glycerin from the WVO. Here in the US most of the WVO that murchants pay dispose of is turned around and sold to the miltary to run Diesel ships on. Once they leave ports these ships run Green and Black diesel both are a combination of WVO and Used Fosil oils mixed with Diesel. This process has be going on for years and actually saves the tax payers considerable money to fuel military diesel engines in certain applications.

Michael
 
G'day, New Recruit.

zander said:
Have any of you messed with timing on your 2H? (or other diesel) I was looking into advancing the timing in the manual and it looks like a pretty big job where the front cover comes off etc.

I would like to try advanced timing for better biodiesel MPG in my HJ60.

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If you want to advance your fuel Timing then you only need to do that at the injector pump. Let me know if that is what you want.

I am definately keen to have a go at the biodiesel or even strait vegie oil, (depending on temp, we get down to 0 c here.) Moved from summer temps up to 47 c. Petrol engines used to vaporise. Any how I am in the middle of changing a 2H over to a 1HZ in a friends Toyota Akanna but can't wait to have a go at making biodiesel. I have a HJ60 2H just waiting for some experiments. Might convert the fuel before I rebuild as a trial to see what bio does for well used motors. Has 380 000 km on the clock. Any suggestions on that one.
Thanks and G'day.
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Paddy said:
If you want to advance your fuel Timing then you only need to do that at the injector pump. Let me know if that is what you want.
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Sure... that would be helpful.

Paddy said:
I have a HJ60 2H just waiting for some experiments. Might convert the fuel before I rebuild as a trial to see what bio does for well used motors. Has 380 000 km on the clock. Any suggestions on that one.
Thanks and G'day.
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Just swap your fuel lines to Viton and run it. Mine has been running on biodiesel for months with no issues and it has 223,000km.


z
 
zander said:
Sure... that would be helpful.


You will find the timing marks on your crankshaft pully at about 1oclock when you look at the motor from the front. It has 0 TDC 11 BTDC and 18 BTDC The (2H runs at 18 BTDC) and the 12H-T at 11 BTDC.
Set your injection pump stop leaver in the run position. You will see it move to the run position if you get someone to turn the key while you watch it. Fix it in that position. Take the number one delivery pipe of at the pump and turn the crank back and forwards a little untill you find the position where fuel comes out. Now turn the crank anticlockwise untill the crank shaft alignment mark is before the timing cover mark. That is turn it anticlockwise to before the timing mark so that you can slowly bring it back to position. Now turn it clockwise slowly untill it lines up with 18 BTDC. This is when the fuel should start to spill out for normal 2H timing. If it doesn't then your timming is out. But as you wish to advance your timing anyway you need to mark your fuel injector pump and the mounting if it doesn't have a mark already. Then loosen the retaining nuts and turn the pump clockwise to advance it. It wont take much. You may have to loosen or remove some of the other fuel lines to move it. Repeat the process to check it. You may be able to just set the timing mark on the crank and turn the injector pump untill the fuel spills out. But you will have to have number one ready to spill still. There isn't much work involved, only getting things in the right order.
Good luck. Let me know how you go.

Biodiesel;
I gather the emissions are not corrosive to rubber and the exauhst valve seals are safe?
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Jim_Chow said:
While is may be true, the problem is extracting the oil is getting more difficult due to no new technological breakthroughs since the 90's. In the 90's I knew guys (fellow grad students working on their doctorates consulting for petroleum countries) who were applying multi-sensor DSP to find oil. Basically, you set a grid of sensors out, set off a shockwave in the ground (explosion, thump, etc.), measure the returns (time delays, return amplitude/phase). This data allows one to recontruct they layers of material underneath the ground without having to drill. Think of it as a geological radar or ultrasound. This technique aided in the discovery of easy-to-extract oil reserves. The "known" oil reserves (known and known to be extractable using today's technology) can't meet increasing global demands. That doesn't mean there won't be a breakthrough in technology that unlocks more reserves. You can extract the difficult-to-reach oil...it'll just cost a lot more money. $50/barrel is probably more of the floor now, and that assumes no terrorist activities that either damage oil infrastructure or set oil traders into a panic (think $80-100/barrel or $4+/gallon for gas). Hydrogen fuel cells sounds great in theory, but it takes a lot of energy to generate the hydrogen, and that energy's gotta come from somewhere, whether oil or nuke.
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The technology is certainly there and as more and more reserves are found the technology tags along. Directional drilling, horizontal drilling, CDX's patented drilling techniques. Chevron/Texaco just spent MILLONS of dollars mapping the Gulf of Mexico seabed and trying to map the oil/salt bed interface (As seismic cannot "see" through salts) with the 3D seismic curveys. Quite an undertaking and a BUNCH of oil there. In fact, there is data to believe that the area between Florida and the Keys is a HOT bed. LOTS of reserves, but no leases to drill and Gov won't allow it. Anyway, the cost of reaching this oil is becoming less of a problem as oil moves into the 60s and even 70s US $/barrel range. Moreover, as technologies are used more in oil extraction they tend to get cheaper to accomplish.
 
Thanks for the timing lesson... :cheers:

Paddy said:
Biodiesel;
I gather the emissions are not corrosive to rubber and the exauhst valve seals are safe?
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I have never heard of this being a problem, and cant imagine why it would be.
 
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Crude Oil is a limited resource you know...............


No it isnt. That is a common misconception.

We'll never run out of oil. The process is a continueing one.

We've only been drilling for oil for some 120 years. We're talking about the Earths capacity of carying oil. You think we are going to use that up any time soon?

Uh, no.


TB
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Spend an hour or two on this site and you'll see why that is unfortunately, just not true. We've peaked and the implications are truly incalculable. The oil we use now took millions of years to create - personally, I can't wait that long....

www.energybulletin.net
 
Previa Diesel said:
Spend an hour or two on this site and you'll see why that is unfortunately, just not true. We've peaked and the implications are truly incalculable. The oil we use now took millions of years to create - personally, I can't wait that long....

www.energybulletin.net
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Very true.

There is no location on earth where the geological conditions exist which are necessary to form oil deposits. What we find is all we have. We have peaked. The supply won't last indefinitely.
 
Previa Diesel said:
Spend an hour or two on this site and you'll see why that is unfortunately, just not true. We've peaked and the implications are truly incalculable. The oil we use now took millions of years to create - personally, I can't wait that long....

www.energybulletin.net
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i have to admit i skim read the posted link but i did not see there any evidence that the oil supply has peaked and is reclining. i see wordy statements (Peter, did you write this link??
;^)
) about the petro dollar and the euro but where is the basis for the statement of recline oil supply?

once again it is fear tactics being eaten up by the public.
show me basis for this fear in laymans terms for your accusation of declining oil supplies.
cheers
Wayne<the disbeliever>...
 
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