Better, 22R or 22RE

[Spud]

Which is better motor?
Which is most reliable?
Which will run for more miles?


Any opinions...85' 22RE in a 4runner or 22R in a 84' 4runner.

 

[Curse]

Both are equally reliable, and are equally amazing

The carb on the 22R can still hit vertical angles, and the engine doesn't have a rev limiter, so if you want to do baja racing etc with a lot of performance mods, go 22R.

Otherwise, there's no difference.

I do prefer my 22R though because there's less electrical stuff to break, but thats just me.

 

[tntoyota]

It has been my experience in 20+ trucks that I have had, flipped or unfortunately had to sell, in the countless tear downs I have done and NO rebuilds that...........


I have seen better cylinder walls, per miles on odometer, in EFI trucks.

Dont know why, suspect it to be the better mixture IMHO from the ECU's constant adjustment.

I compare 180k-200k + EFI's with 150-160k +/- mile carbs, average about a 30,000mi difference using odometer


Also carbs that work today are old az......, replacements....GOOD QUALITY replacements are getting harder and harder to find and still have to meet smog....very hard.


Never have had or herd it said that EFI's have problems, although not imposable, but usually involve just changing a component. 96% + if the check engine light is NOT on will go right through smog no prob.



My Big Fat Humble Opinion!


Also EFI has more usable power and usually better MPG.

Like stumbling on a slippery incline fore instance EFI will try its best to keep the engine running...

 

[Downey]

I am in total agreement with tntoyota. The EFI's are a total management system that compensates for things a carburetor could never think of:
(a) the whole premise of a float bowl is that it always remain level.
(b) carburetors do not adjust for altitude.
(c) carburetors do not give you limp-home features.

 

[Curse]

I am in total agreement with tntoyota. The EFI's are a total management system that compensates for things a carburetor could never think of:
(a) the whole premise of a float bowl is that it always remain level.
(b) carburetors do not adjust for altitude.
(c) carburetors do not give you limp-home features.

But carbs are already IN limp mode, so they have no more way to fail!!

 

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

EFI Baby!!! Better power and mileage, and when something's wrong a paper clip will tell you what it is.....

 

[Spud]

OK, so another reason that my wife shold let me get this 85' runner.

I told her I need a 85' to go with the 84', she knows how great that one has been..."Honey the 85' with the EFI is even better, so can I get it"?

 

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

FYI all 4Runners 85 and up were EFI since it was the top of the line model..... * There may be some early 85's out there that were still carbed....

 

[SizzleChest]

FYI all 4Runners 85 and up were EFI since it was the top of the line model..... * There may be some early 85's out there that were still carbed....

you sure 'bout that?

 

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

* Yes, do you have reason to think otherwise?



Or did you mean the top of the line model thing? I was speaking of the world of the mini trucks/4Runners.... Not the almighty Cruiser.

 

[Huhwhye]

I'd say EFI is the way to go. I've only had EFI motors, and rebuilt 2 of these motors. I'll tell you this, they are not fun to work on.

 

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

I'll tell you this, they are not fun to work on.

.... you've never worked on the 3.0 have you? I enjoy the 22 series compaired to the V6.....

 

[Clowder60]

FYI all 4Runners 85 and up were EFI since it was the top of the line model..... * There may be some early 85's out there that were still carbed....

Toyota offered carbed 4runners until 88

 

[tntoyota]

Toyota offered carbed 4runners until 88

He's looking at that from a SFA angle not the carb Vs. EFI one.

 

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

Toyota offered carbed 4runners until 88

I'm gonna have to ask for some proof on that one. I've looked at hundreds and never seen a carb on anything later than 84. In the pickups, yes, I've seen carbs up into the early 90s, but not in a 4Runner.

 

[Clowder60]

You`re right, my bad. They offered the pickups with the carb till 88.

 

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

No problem, welcome to mud Clowder!!! Glad to have you.

 

[Bob_Garrett]

I agree that the RE has better fuel management and may potentially have a longer life (although my 22R has 260k and is still going strong), however the trade off is more complexity and more electronics. I think for simplicity and ease of repair, a carbed engine is hard to beat, except for operation at extreme angles.

Of course, you could always convert a 22R to propane, and then the dang thing would not only run at angles, but I suspect the engine could potentially last well beyond 500k.

 

[pappy]

I owned a 1982 Hilux, carbed, for 14 years. I had very few problems with the 22R and it was mostly emissions related.

I've owned my 1985 4Runner (efi) for 19 years. In the +200K miles I've put on the 4Runner I've had to change a few sensors, mostly Ox, and just cuz replaced the rest even though they were probably OK. This truck has been, hands down, the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned. The efi on these trucks is very simple and easy to figure out.

Like somebody already said, the high tech tool for pulling trouble codes is a paper clip. I can even find one of those in Baja.

 

[Huhwhye]

.... you've never worked on the 3.0 have you? I enjoy the 22 series compaired to the V6.....

I refuse. When my dad was having trouble with his 3.0 in his 92 4runner I told him he can get someone else to touch that 3.0 cause I won't. My suggestion was a V8 swap.

He ended up paying the local dealer to R&R the motor. Pretty pricey, and the thing is still slow/underpowered and gets bad mpg.