Best automatic transmission shops in BC for A440f

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Rodney from Wholesale seems to think the stock TC is just wrong, so I'm not sure if a rebuild is going to help. Rodney makes his own, I believe with more fins for cooling. I could be wrong, I'm relying on my memory... dang, where's I put that keyboard...
 
Granite Grinder
Thank for the Info, I thought just a valve body alone is a good enough upgrade. I got into contact with Rodney and the TC is quite expensive. I'm looking at their rebuilt tranny with extreme valve body. Its quite an investment $5k!!!, especially if you can get a bj74 for around $10k now!!! I don't know how set rodney is on his pricing but right now i'm having a tough time deciding what to do. I found an apparent toyota rebuilt a440f in Vancouver for $2500 but i don't know what kind of guarantee it comes with. I've also found a couple of a440f's out of 62's but i'm still abit confused on compatablitity.

anyone have any suggestions? I'm a bit stuck
 
yep, get a gasser auto out of an 80, cheap. add the biggest cooler you can find that will fit and a gauge. the shift points are a bit different but no biggie.
done.

or better yet install a 5 speed manual and call it a day.

but that is my cheap ass solution to your problem.
 
From what I have seen, and not being an auto transmission expert at all...an A440 is an A440. "If" there is any difference in the stock components between model lines that use the hydrolic A440, it lays in the VB and TC (shift points, stall speeds, etc). There are some casting differences (internal and external) in the transmission housing but other then that...the same. If you get a good known A440 from another application, you may have to swap out the pan (so the dipstick tube is correct), cooler lines, and perhaps a harness (all simple stuff) from your BJ74 A440. You also would have to drop the pan to put in the correct kickdown cable. And of course, use your BJ74/A440 bellhousing.

I thought John at RADD had a good known a440 from a BJ74? Get that if you are still not comfortable, swap in the Extreme VB and TC, put an external cooler on, and install a gauge. But then, you may be getting close to the cost of a new completely rebuilt unit. Is Pacesetter still the Cdn distributor? If so, they may have a complete kit sitting in a crate on Vancouver Island. Core exchange - send the old one back in the crate. Interesting side note: I believe the A440 TC is the only one they do not want back on core exchange.

If you use the t-case of the donor A440 (get year, make model), you will have to check the t-case speedo gears of the donor rig to your BJ74 on the EPC to see if your speedo will be correct.

Installing a 5spd is not a cheap nor easy option either dependant on your situation. You need to source a 5spd with a B series shaft (unobtainium new) that is not bagged. Then all the firewall/pedal stuff, etc. It won't be a plug and play; you will need to cut/fab/move things, or pay someone to do it.

I recall someone posting a link a while back to a business in California which advertized heavy duty upgrade TC's for diesel LC's. Don't know how they would compare to an Extreme unit. Don't recall if it was in the 70 section, or in the diesel section.

hth's

gb
 
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Thanks for the great post Greg!
Some really helpful info. I talked to John today, we're probably going to work something out. I just think getting a new transmission from Outback is not worth it to me, its half the price of a used 74. I'll probably have this sorted by next wednesday when I drive home for American Thanksgiving, i'll pick up the tranny and save some shipping costs.
 
Thanks for the great post Greg!
Some really helpful info. I talked to John today, we're probably going to work something out. I just think getting a new transmission from Outback is not worth it to me, its half the price of a used 74. I'll probably have this sorted by next wednesday when I drive home for American Thanksgiving, i'll pick up the tranny and save some shipping costs.

I have an Extreme valve body in stock for you now... Just give me a heads up as to what your decisions are.


~John
 
Hi John

For some reason the email that you sent never came through from last Friday. I'd still like the VB, I'll send you and address as soon as I get the payment Info. I'd still like to take this home Wednesday afternoon.
 
So after a 12hr adventure picking up the tranny in vancouver and driving home (25th) I finally got a call today from the shop and the 74 is alive and well again. This is after not having been driven for over two years. It now has a rebuilt tranny with 5k km and a extreme valve body. It was rewarding to get this done. Next up will be a tranny cooler, pyro, boost, tranny, and oil gauges (this one has a faulty oil pressure gauge, which i've heard is a common problem).

Sadly I had to drive back to Seattle last night in my 60 and not the 74 but at least I know what my christmas present is when I get home in a couple of weeks (can't wait to drive it again). The reason that i couldn't drive it back Sunday was because the pto seal was leaking and the shop couldn't get at it till today.
Thanks to all those that helped out with this thread. Especially John
cheers
 
Yipee !

A good resolution for the BJ74 tranny problem.

Have you had it out for a test drive? How was the Extreme Valve body? The third gear lock-up is nice on longer hills.

Make sure you keep an eye on the fluid level for a while. It may need a little topping up once things get settled in.

~John
 
Jcolvin

qoute- Mine will climb up 150 C within a couple of minutes if I climb the Duffy lake road at 2200 rpm out of lockup. Same stretch at 3000 rpm it won't go over 100.

What gear are you in and how fast are you going?

I down shift manually when I feel necessary ( going up long hills when the tranny doesn't downshift on it's own)
In order for me to get the rpms even close to 3000 I have to be in 2nd gear going about 70km.

I tried this today, I didn't like the idea of having to go so fast in second gear, so I only held it there for a few seconds. I usually try to mantain about 2100-2500 rpm when going up steep or long hills.
2nd gear @ 40-55 km = 2300-2500rpm or 3rd gear @ 55-65 km = 2100-2200rpm

Keep in mind that mine is a 1HZ with an A440F

Anyone know what safe parameters for shift points would be? As in gear/speed/rpm?

This would be very usefull to know!

Cheers

That's in 3rd gear, going around 60 kmh. Yep,2nd gear at around 70 kmh at around 3000 rpm is what you want. Speed or gear isnt important, it's the revs that matter. This is from long observation of my temp gage. Hill climbing at 2100 rpm you are in SERIOUS risk of burning up your torque converter. It may feel nicer for the engine but the tranny will not be happy at all and your T/C will be up to 150 C or higher. Even 2500 is not enough, I find I need to be up near 2800+ to keep the temps down; i also notice EGTs are lower as well. Don't forget, this is assuming you can't stay in lockup. If you can climb that hill at 2100 rpm in TC lockup you will be just fine. It's the TC that generates all the heat. As Rodney says, the TC in the A440 is not the best. This is also why I am dubious that the extreme valve body will be a full solution. It has lockup in 3rd, but what is really needed is lockup in 2nd. There is not a huge difference revs wise between 3rd and 4th. Even with an extreme valve body and an external cooler, you may find you need to run up steep hills in 2nd. And don't forget, you need the temp gauge in the outlet union between tranny and cooler. A temp gauge in the oil pan won't tell you how hot your T/C is getting. A 74 is a lot lighter than my 80-series and the HZ doesn't kick out nearly as much power, so you probably won't generate as much heat as I do.

Now, if only I could have a electro-hydraulic later-model A440. With that tranny you can install a manual TC lockup switch that will lock the TC in whatever gear you choose.
 
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Good stuff. I wish I could have an extreme tc but don't have the funds. I did just put my order in for autometer ultra lite II gauges. I got mech oil and boost and electric tran temp and a pyro. Time to do some research about gauge placement. I like the idea of putting to Two in the dash altimeter housing and removing the two tippy/slope gauges.
 
That's in 3rd gear, going around 60 kmh. Yep,2nd gear at around 70 kmh at around 3000 rpm is what you want. Speed or gear isnt important, it's the revs that matter. This is from long observation of my temp gage. Hill climbing at 2100 rpm you are in SERIOUS risk of burning up your torque converter. It may feel nicer for the engine but the tranny will not be happy at all and your T/C will be up to 150 C or higher. Even 2500 is not enough, I find I need to be up near 2800+ to keep the temps down; i also notice EGTs are lower as well. Don't forget, this is assuming you can't stay in lockup. If you can climb that hill at 2100 rpm in TC lockup you will be just fine. It's the TC that generates all the heat. As Rodney says, the TC in the A440 is not the best. This is also why I am dubious that the extreme valve body will be a full solution. It has lockup in 3rd, but what is really needed is lockup in 2nd. There is not a huge difference revs wise between 3rd and 4th. Even with an extreme valve body and an external cooler, you may find you need to run up steep hills in 2nd. And don't forget, you need the temp gauge in the outlet union between tranny and cooler. A temp gauge in the oil pan won't tell you how hot your T/C is getting. A 74 is a lot lighter than my 80-series and the HZ doesn't kick out nearly as much power, so you probably won't generate as much heat as I do.

Now, if only I could have a electro-hydraulic later-model A440. With that tranny you can install a manual TC lockup switch that will lock the TC in whatever gear you choose.


Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to keep the revs up.

I'm hoping to install the EVB next spring, but untill then I'll just have to make sure I keep the temp down and the revs up

Cheers
 
BJ 74 auto trans

Can you tell me if I can replace the auto trans with a 5 speed and can I even find an automatic for a Bj 74 1985?
 
Lots of BJ74's came with 5-speeds, the swap would require some fabricating and part sourcing. I'd assume the auto would be an A440. Finding a good used one could be challenging, lots of them States side. It was the only tranny offered in the FJ62
 

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