Argh! It's worse than I thought!

[Stone]

There is a paper element type filter that the FSM mentions. This is the page:

Would you be able to post up a pic of your filter/water trap contraption that came with your 3BII, for interest sake, Moose? Thanks.

 

[Island Moose]

 

[crushers]

that is the same as the 1HZ and the 2LT filter housings...

 

[Stone]

Interesting...thanks Moose! So, Wayne...that ragtop BJ70 that you'e expecting is probably going to have the same setup?

 

[Island Moose]

If I could find (or you guys could suggest) an in-line primer pump of some sort, I would eliminate the factory filter altogether, get a smaller micron filter (10 micron?) for the new Racor and hook the Racor sensor up to my dash warning light. However, I have no idea how I would prime the system without the factory housing.
I'm glad I got one with a 24 volt heater...I think it will help with cold morning efficiency.

 

[Greg_B]

Is the 2LT a rotory injection pump? I wonder if this is an inline vs rotory injection pump fuel filtration Toyota design thing. My 1989 inline injection 13BT BJ74 has the standard paper element mounted on the engine, and the water seperator ala BJ4*/BJ60/BJ70/74.

Racor does have a filtration unit that has the primer pump on top of the filter like your stock setup. We have one on our test bed for firing 1HZ/HD-T's.

gb

 

[crushers]

Interesting...thanks Moose! So, Wayne...that ragtop BJ70 that you'e expecting is probably going to have the same setup?

i will know in a couple weeks but chances are, yes...

 

[cruiser_guy]

It's on the right side of the engine bay, it is a pleasted paper filter with an opening at each end. One end screws to the housing, and a float with a switch goes in the other end. As the water is trapped, the float eventually signals the dash light to tell me to empty the trap. It's a Japanese - spec 3B-II, and I'm told it's unlike the ones sold here in North America.

Problem is...it ain't workin'!

Does the filter light ever come on? All dash warning lights should be on when you start the truck and go off once it starts. If the light never comes on..... maybe it's burned out or some idiot disconnected it.

 

[Island Moose]

It works, I tested it and changed the bulb last week. If I'm right and it does a poor job of trapping water, then I wouldn't expect it to ever fill up and trip the float switch.

 

[Greg_B]

Is the 2LT a rotory injection pump? I wonder if this is an inline vs rotory injection pump fuel filtration Toyota design thing. My 1989 inline injection 13BT BJ74 has the standard paper element mounted on the engine, and the water seperator ala BJ4*/BJ60/BJ70/74.

Racor does have a filtration unit that has the primer pump on top of the filter like your stock setup. We have one on our test bed for firing 1HZ/HD-T's.

gb

Just saw a hilux by the shop, and it has a rotory injection pump and the fuel filter that matches yours Moose. Seems Toyota went with this combined filter/seperator when they used a rotory pump...

gb

 

[Greg_B]

It works, I tested it and changed the bulb last week. If I'm right and it does a poor job of trapping water, then I wouldn't expect it to ever fill up and trip the float switch.

If it does a poor job of trapping the water would this not be common knowledge, as this filter/seperator combo seems to be used in many applications if the info on the e-bay link I gave is correct.

gb

 

[roscoFJ73]

that is the same as the 1HZ and the 2LT filter housings...

I also have one of those and it came off a HJ75

 

[Island Moose]

If it does a poor job of trapping the water would this not be common knowledge, as this filter/seperator combo seems to be used in many applications if the info on the e-bay link I gave is correct.

gb

The only thing I can deduce is that perhaps North American diesel supplies have higher water content that Asian or European supplies, and that trace amoutns are getting by. Enough to destroy injectors over a period of several years.

I don't think this particular style of filter is in common use in Canada at least, as I had tremendous difficulty finding one.

I suppose the only evidence I can provide is clinical, and we'll have to wait to see what sort of water the new Racor traps versus what the stock unit was trapping.

 

[Stone]

The only thing I can deduce is that perhaps North American diesel supplies have higher water content that Asian or European supplies, and that trace amoutns are getting by. Enough to destroy injectors over a period of several years.

I don't think this particular style of filter is in common use in Canada at least, as I had tremendous difficulty finding one.

I suppose the only evidence I can provide is clinical, and we'll have to wait to see what sort of water the new Racor traps versus what the stock unit was trapping.

Interesting speculation...I've heard that a lot of people up here regard the American diesel fuel as lower grade for some reason.

I've used Canadian diesel fuel for over a year in my BJ74 with no issues...and a lot of people have been using NA diesel with no after market filters and have had no issues.

Didn't you just get your BJ70? So it hasn't had very long for NA diesel to be the culprit. Those injectors were likely corrupted long before it landed here.

 

[Island Moose]

Didn't you just get your BJ70? So it hasn't had very long for NA diesel to be the culprit. Those injectors were likely corrupted long before it landed here.

Good point Stone, perhaps that mess in the injectors has been there for a long time, maybe bad diesel fuel in Japan? As I say, no facts or evidence either way. All I know is that with the new filter and the stocker running in tandem, I can't imagine anything gettgin through in terms of H20.

 

[cruiser_guy]

I've driven my BJ60 since 1988 and have NEVER had a water in the fuel related problem. I've got over 400,000 km on the clock with most of that in Canada along with two trips down here to southern Mexico/Central America. I don't think that regular use of North American diesel will harm the truck in any way.
Having said that I'd NEVER remove or go without a water separator on a diesel either because the next fill up might be the bad one.

 

[waaz]

injectors

Kamloops Fuel Injection, $20.00 for nozzels, $65.00 roe reman.
waaz

 

[lowenbrau]

About Moose's filter/ sedimenter... Its the same as used on a NA spec. '84 Hilux with 2lt. Cost $33cdn from the dealer or $45 from Canadian tire. ( for comparison )

About North American diesel... It may be better now than in '84 but we drove Charla's BJ73 across the Canadian prairies and back last week through a pretty good storm. Each time I fuelled up I had to bang the nozzle on the pump to dislodge the pile of snow that had packed itself in there since the last guy used it. Water gets into the fuel, its a fact of life.

About sedimenters... I don't trust them. Especially in winter, you want to be running some kind of conditioner that has an emulsifier in it. Just run the water through and you'll be ok. If your conditioner also had an anti algae agent, you might as well use it all summer too.

Anybody ever hear of Dieseline? Somebody recommended it but I haven't seen it anywhere.

 

[Greg_B]

About Moose's filter/ sedimenter... Its the same as used on a NA spec. '84 Hilux with 2lt. Cost $33cdn from the dealer or $45 from Canadian tire. ( for comparison )

Anybody ever hear of Dieseline? Somebody recommended it but I haven't seen it anywhere.

Good info. I use Howes diesel conditioner in every tank. Seems to be readily available at most truck stops. Have not heard of Dieselline.


gb

 

[crushers]

i used the howles in every tank as preventive maintainence, so far no problems. i am thinking of adding some kerosene in my next tank of fuel in the HZJ75 to help in the cold winter days...
cheers