Anyone run kerosene in their 1KZTE? (1 Viewer)

[OM617YOTA]

I collect camp stoves and kerosene lanterns, and have accumulated quite a pile of kerosene. At my current usage rate I won't survive long enough to use it all, despite not being that old at all.

Nothing in the 1KZ manual mentions anything other than clean no2 diesel. I'm not inclined to risk thousands of dollars in damage to save $100 in fuel, but if someone has some other documentation, that would be wonderful.


I'm sure a quart or two per tank won't hurt anything, and I might wind up doing that, instead of 5 gallons or 3/4s of a tank of kero.

 

[GTSSportCoupe]

I collect camp stoves and kerosene lanterns, and have accumulated quite a pile of kerosene. At my current usage rate I won't survive long enough to use it all, despite not being that old at all.

Nothing in the 1KZ manual mentions anything other than clean no2 diesel. I'm not inclined to risk thousands of dollars in damage to save $100 in fuel, but if someone has some other documentation, that would be wonderful.


I'm sure a quart or two per tank won't hurt anything, and I might wind up doing that, instead of 5 gallons or 3/4s of a tank of kero.

IDI diesels are pretty forgiving with different fuels. I ran 50 gallons of transformer oil through my 2LTE with out apparent issue. I did mix 50/50 with diesel. I know guys who have run 3B motors on home heating oil and helicopter turbine engine fuel (kerosene?) without issues at all. I think main thing is just make sure it lubricates the injection system okay.

I suggest try some mixed with diesel. Slowly increase ratio from there. I'd always mix with some diesel though...

 

[duncanrm]

Kerosene was the additive of choice for diesel in winter to stop it gelling for many decades.. at 80/20 you'll be fine. Not something I'd do on a common rail but fine on an older diesel.

 

[duece71]

I wonder if Jet A would work? I think the military runs a mix of kerosene and maybe gasoline (not for diesels)

 

[OM617YOTA]

The military uses JP8, which is basically jet A. One fuel for everything.

 

[bj70bc]

kerosene is a bit dry by itself, add some non synth 2 stoke oil or diesel specific lube additive

 

[OM617YOTA]

kerosene is a bit dry by itself, add some non synth 2 stoke oil or diesel specific lube additive

Oregon has a 5% biodiesel mandate, adds LOTS of lubricity. Adding a couple quarts of kero per tank will be fine.

Burning kero straight or in significant percentage, yes absolutely add some lube.

 

[cruiserinsanity]

This does not apply directly to the 1KZ, but I thought I would chime in anyway. I have a 1980 240D with the OM616. I run all sort of waste oils in it. Vegetable oil, used motor oil, lamp oil, kerosene, and most recently expired airplane oil. I try to cut it with diesel at about a 60/40 split, being 60% diesel 40% oil. Anything higher than that and the car will get slower, especially in the colder weather.

I also have a 1980 VW Rabbit that is currently not running. Once I get it back on the road it will be running off waste oil as well.

 

[bj70bc]

do you pump in used engine oil without filtering or anything

This does not apply directly to the 1KZ, but I thought I would chime in anyway. I have a 1980 240D with the OM616. I run all sort of waste oils in it. Vegetable oil, used motor oil, lamp oil, kerosene, and most recently expired airplane oil. I try to cut it with diesel at about a 60/40 split, being 60% diesel 40% oil. Anything higher than that and the car will get slower, especially in the colder weather. View attachment 3782515
I also have a 1980 VW Rabbit that is currently not running. Once I get it back on the road it will be running off waste oil as well.

 

[OM617YOTA]

I ran about everything in my 617 too, especially after significantly upgrading the fuel filtration. Never used engine oil, but new engine oil and just about everything else. Buy a partial gallon of paint thinner for 25 cents at a garage sale, dump it in the tank. Got some weird looks.

 

[bj70bc]

I ran about everything in my 617 too, especially after significantly upgrading the fuel filtration. Never used engine oil, but new engine oil and just about everything else. Buy a partial gallon of paint thinner for 25 cents at a garage sale, dump it in the tank. Got some weird looks.

what kind of fuel filtration did you do

 

[OM617YOTA]

Griffin (high quality Racor copy) prefilter with a settling bowl and water blocking 30 micron element, followed by a CAT 2 micron main filter.

Edit: Better link

GTB228 | Griffin Group International Pte Ltd

MODEL GTB228 FUEL PORT 3/4-16” UNF FLOW RATE 228 LPH / 60 GPH SERVICE CLEARANCE 102 mm HEIGHT 295 mm

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https://parts.cat.com/en/catcorp/1R-0750

 

[cruiserinsanity]

do you pump in used engine oil without filtering or anything

If it's clean, yes. I filter any used vegetable oil, and I haven't run a lot of that at all, only about 2 gallons so far.

Most of the used engine oil I run is caught straight from the vehicle as it comes out, and I don't filter any of that. The car has three fuel filters on its own.

It mainly feeds off thin oils like 0W20 from newer VAG, BMW and Benz vehicles that come through the shop.

 

[bj70bc]

hmmm, i put a racor 10 micron water seperater , and a 20 or 30 micron main filter on, wonder if i can just free pour used oil right in there
i burn fresh canola and kerosene and such but never used oil

 

[-MaTTi-]

It will burn everything liquid burning oil. I’ve used straight vegetable oil and old engine oil.

 

[JuanJ]

Hello,

I am late to the party.

Kerosene has a lower inflammation point than No. 2 diesel. This means that it is a bit easier to burn.

Some lanterns and stoves use a pilot burner to ignite kerosene; compression in a turbine has the same effect.

Old diesels and their high compression ratios do not have problems burning kerosene or other compounds. On the other hand, it is better for the diesel fuel not to become too easy to burn.

I would use an 80% diesel/20% kerosene mix. This ratio will not mess with diesel's inflammation point. And, of course, I would not do it on a modern diesel, especially a common rail variety.





Juan

 

[OM617YOTA]

Alrighty, kerosene disposed of. Dumped in a couple gallons here and there as I remembered to. No issues.

 

[Dougal]

If it's clean, yes. I filter any used vegetable oil, and I haven't run a lot of that at all, only about 2 gallons so far.

Most of the used engine oil I run is caught straight from the vehicle as it comes out, and I don't filter any of that. The car has three fuel filters on its own.

It mainly feeds off thin oils like 0W20 from newer VAG, BMW and Benz vehicles that come through the shop.

If oil is too dirty to run through an engine, why would you run it through a precision injection pump?

 

[cruiserinsanity]

If oil is too dirty to run through an engine, why would you run it through a precision injection pump?

I don't run dirty oil. What I'm running typically has about 5K miles on it, and is still pretty clean when it's caught.

 

[Dougal]

I don't run dirty oil. What I'm running typically has about 5K miles on it, and is still pretty clean when it's caught.

It has combustion deposits all through it. Why do you think they removed it from the car engine?