Safety reminders... Never use two straps to enable your vehicle to reach 60 miles per hour before the snatch. Lord, that is so f'in stupid! I really can't even believe someone would be so numb from the neck up.
any more thoughs on whether an 8000 lbs winch is sufficient for the 80 series?
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Safety reminders... Never use two straps to enable your vehicle to reach 60 miles per hour before the snatch. Lord, that is so f'in stupid! I really can't even believe someone would be so numb from the neck up.
rgsiii
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Safety reminders... Never use two straps to enable your vehicle to reach 60 miles per hour before the snatch. Lord, that is so f'in stupid! I really can't even believe someone would be so numb from the neck up.
60kph=36MPH Still plenty fast.
for what its worth I had an M8000 on a fiarly heavy 40 for a few years.. this was back east and lots of mud, I remember once when we had to winch up about a 300 foot slope and it took a few hours.. But regardless, the M8000 WAS weak, one time we had to call a wrecker to come get it out of a hole because it couldn't get itself out after we let some friends go because it was a relatively mild trail. But mud suction, even with a snatch block.. Eventually the 8000 started having clutch issues and all sorts of problems. It still worked but didn;t like doing it.. but honestly I really didn't even use it that much.. I lucked out and came across a M12000 a few years ago that was about the cost of a M8000 new because it was lightly damaged during freight (cosmetic). It has been on my SOA 55 for a few years and is so reliable I have kept it but sold the truck it was on.. I think of it sort of a life puchase, sort of like me a good welder.. I have to say it is just amazing what the M12000 will do and it won't even hesitate... I wouldn't go for a M8000 again personally, I would do at least a 9500 IMO, or better yet a 10 or a 12.. But again budget is budgtet... I wouldn't consider a Milemarker or cheap unless you can find good info out there that says they are reliable.. There have been close to emegency situations (one time in particular where it was an absolute must) where I would have been extremely screwed if my winch were not there or working.. But again it would never even cross my mind to put a 8000 on a 80 if you intend to use it, even seldomly.. But only my $.02.. Also I have heard an 8274 and a M8000 are different beasts which I am willing to believe..
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Got a lot of experience through working at 4x4 events (of which there are HUNDREDS in Aus) and through extensive outback touring. Plus i'm on my second landcruiser.
My mates and I all use hydraulic winches now. Electric ones just weren't suiting our needs anymore. More expensive setup, they never break and never slow down. If you're in a diesel... well diesels are damn near impossible to kill so the engine power will always be there to power it.
My mates and I all use hydraulic winches now. Electric ones just weren't suiting our needs anymore. More expensive setup, they never break and never slow down. If you're in a diesel... well diesels are damn near impossible to kill so the engine power will always be there to power it.
I was told by several that with only very minimal fabbing, the 8274 would fit the regular ARB. I hope so, otherwise i'm going to be pissed.
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After that, I'm not sure I'd ever use a snatch strap again!
An excellent tip though, about tieing the strap to the vehicle with a slack line to try and prevent the backlash if it breaks, I've never done that. Recovery is fraught with danger in all respects-the forces are high and stuff breaks. It seems like every recovery is at the margin-too far away, stuck too tight, difficult approach etc. For that reason, I would buy as much winch as you can afford, or not buy one at all. Certainly an 8000 is better than no winch, but you are closer to the edge of the envelope during a difficult recovery.
Just curious e9999, where do you see yourself getting stuck, other than in your yard?
If it's sketchy, or you are alone, I would err on the side of too much winch as opposed to not enough. If you will ALWAYS be with others, then an M8000 set up like FirstToy will work.I do like the approach taken by FirstToy-everything as light as possible-synthetic rope, aluminum hawse fairlead, single battery, as that's less than half the weight of an M12000 or 8274 and a second battery. The syn rope though, does raise the cost significantly.
Last comment-I've had 3 winches apart-an M8000, and M12000, and an older 8274. Hands down, the best internals are on the 8274. The planetary gears inside the M8000 look like toys in comparison. The M10000 IS still available from ARB, and is built on the larger and heavier frame of the M12000. You might check how much they want for one, as it might be a good compromise.
good points andrew. On the weight, i am guessing that part of the reason the 8274 weighs so much is the amount of cable it holds. If you were to put synthetic on it, i imagine the weight cuts would be substantial.
Cruiserdrew
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The cable weighs 20-35 pounds depending on what you run. Synthetic is basically weightless, so that's good savings. I think the fairlead weighs close to 10 pounds, so an aluminum hawse is also a good savings. Leaving out the second battery is just bonus.
Here is an experiment I've done. The 8274 comes with 150 feet of 5/16. It will hold just over 125 feet of 3/8. The weight of either is a wash. Both my 8274 and my M12000 have the 3/8 at this point.
If you kept one of those jump starters in the truck, you could do away with the #2 battery. It isn't as convienient, but it would get the job done. It would save 50-70 pounds, not too shabby.
can anyone out there verify my thinking, and what i "thought" i had been told in the fact that with minimal trimming the 8274 WILL fit into an 80 series bull bar?
Concrete,
I made an 8274 fit in my non wich ARB...its a 60series one though.
I made an 8274 fit in my non wich ARB...its a 60series one though.
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well, I *think* I read that it was not a trivial job...
Con,
the 60 series ARB if my mind serves me correct is 7inchs from the front of it to where the sheetmetal ends before the valence.
the 60 series ARB if my mind serves me correct is 7inchs from the front of it to where the sheetmetal ends before the valence.
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thanks Alvaro. Now I'm probably going to end up going to places where I *will* need it... Dang..!
Has anyone had any further thoughts to whether this winch is sufficient or not?
barrypt5
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This is the last spot that Alvaro winched up on the Rubicon. After all the trail, this told me the M8000 was good for me.
Andy's point is well founded as Alvaro could winch up with finesse. If I remember right, Alvaro methodically winched and drove/steered out of the climb/off camber.
I remember it more extreme than the photo portrays, but photos tend to flatten out the terrain sometimes
But also as Andy says, you can never go wrong with a 12K.
