any more thoughs on whether an 8000 lbs winch is sufficient for the 80 series? (1 Viewer)

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aaah, these were the good ole days... :D


strangely, though, since I got the MT/Rs it doesn't get muddy any more, what's with that...? :D
 
not for me:D ive burned up 12 k in red clay:frown: sad day.anyway i even was very carefull 30 sec. on 30 sec. off.still messed it up.if you live in a no mud area hell go for it:beer:
 
This discussion was more fun when e9999 was trying to buy some cobbed together winch made from a WWII airplane starter motor. Just buy any winch that fits, and be happy. If you stray from the M8000(fits with minor mods), M10000(fits for sure), M12000(also fits for sure) you may have fitment issues so check carefully before buying.
 
You should look at the amps required at different loads for these winches. The winches have the same motor. The difference is the gear ratios, doubling the line is the same as lower gears - except it has the benefit of pulling off more line so you have less wraps. That gives additonal advantage to the winch and lower amps. Easier on battery and charging system.

I've got a 9.5XP on by FJ60 and plan a 12K for the 80 Series. I've got a 100ft 3/8 synthetic extension to share between them.
 
siglo said:
could you elaborate more on that statement?

Assuming the winch cable does not break, the pulling vehicle transmission and diffs are on neutral, wheels are properly blocked, and facing the bogged 4x4 dead on, what kind of damage could occur to the vehicle pulling the bogged 4x4?
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Winches are SOLELY for -SELF- recovery. Using a winch to pull a bogged vehicle when yours is not bogged is a REALLY easy way to drag yourself forward and put MASSIVE strain on your brakes and tyres (being dragged forward). The winch itself is designed to recover YOUR vehicle (ie: that's why it's mounted to your car so heavily). If the other car in yoru convoy is bogged and you are not, you use a snatch strap and correct recovery technique. You do not under any circumstances use a winch to pull a vehicle that is bogged out if that vehicle is not your own and you yourself are not bogged.

Last resort maybe.
 
Entaran said:
Winches are SOLELY for -SELF- recovery. Using a winch to pull a bogged vehicle when yours is not bogged is a REALLY easy way to drag yourself forward and put MASSIVE strain on your brakes and tyres (being dragged forward). The winch itself is designed to recover YOUR vehicle (ie: that's why it's mounted to your car so heavily). If the other car in yoru convoy is bogged and you are not, you use a snatch strap and correct recovery technique. You do not under any circumstances use a winch to pull a vehicle that is bogged out if that vehicle is not your own and you yourself are not bogged.

Last resort maybe.
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Thanks for clarifying. It does make sense in a way :)

I asked because I remember seeing in some of warn's manuals a 4x4 pulling another. They mentioned in the document below how to change the pulling direction "from the winch to the object being pulled" in page 17 and added a drawing of a vehicle equipped with a winch pulling another one.

http://www.warn.com/corporate/images/90/UserManualSRC.US.readers.pdf
 
Entaran said:
Winches are SOLELY for -SELF- recovery. etc .
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No. Winches are for recovering whatever needs to be recovered. There are numerous occasions where a snatch strap is useless-ie too far, wrong angle, chopped terrain. In those situations a strap will not do the trick.

As to the loads on the brakes and tires when winching-they are built for that. Think about a 7000 pound truck towing a trailer and slamming on the brakes at speed.

How about the extreme forces generated when snatching a stuck vehicle? Your truck is not built for that. Additionally, the loads generated by winching are controlable as opposed to snatching which is an uncontrolled wild ride. If the winch pull is so hard that you are going to pull yourself forward, most of us use a strap to anchor the winching vehicle to a tree or another truck.

Maybe you guys do things differently down there, but your insistance on this point is not backed up by real world experience.

Now back to the usual entertainment of e9999's quest to buy a winch he will never use....:D
 
Andy - you are toooooo funny. hehehe
 
Jim's reminder about the synth extension is a good one.

One could use an 8K for regular stuff, use the extension -which is not too bad to carry around- and doubling up for the rare challenging pulls... More work when doubling up, but more versatile altogether, and less costly... plus an 8K is probably easier to find used and to sell... or even use a big tow (snatch?) strap as extension, much cheaper....

mmm....
 
Awe come on Eric....you know you want the big dog. Just do it. Don't skimp on safety.
 
Cruiserdrew said:
No. Winches are for recovering whatever needs to be recovered. There are numerous occasions where a snatch strap is useless-ie too far, wrong angle, chopped terrain. In those situations a strap will not do the trick.

As to the loads on the brakes and tires when winching-they are built for that. Think about a 7000 pound truck towing a trailer and slamming on the brakes at speed.

How about the extreme forces generated when snatching a stuck vehicle? Your truck is not built for that. Additionally, the loads generated by winching are controlable as opposed to snatching which is an uncontrolled wild ride. If the winch pull is so hard that you are going to pull yourself forward, most of us use a strap to anchor the winching vehicle to a tree or another truck.

Maybe you guys do things differently down there, but your insistance on this point is not backed up by real world experience.

Now back to the usual entertainment of e9999's quest to buy a winch he will never use....:D
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Maybe you should ring Warn up and talk to one of them and they'll probably repeat what I said.

If you're generating extreme forces when snatching a truck you're not doing it properly. Go take a course in it or something, the only snatching exercise that will generate extreme forces is sand recoveries and I don't think you guys in north america would ever come across the need for one of those.

Comparing a 7000lb truck towing and braking to winching is completely pointless as trailers have their own braking systems and a winch doesn't produce instantaneous forces of that magnitude or even anywher near it. It would also depend on the trailer and the weight carried by the trailer and numerous other factors.

As for real world experience, i've probably recovered a bogged truck or watched a recovery 2-300 times now and i'm still in my early 20's.
 
great question and great timing since i'm about to be in the market for a winch for my 80.

That said, i believe Cdan has 8,000# warn, christo has one. I have seen a 8274 (8000#) pull a totally stuck 80 up out of a mud hole and over a 4 foot ledge. It did slow way down, but it got the job done.

I am pretty sure that i will be getting the 8274 based on speed, durability, reliability, line length and ability to get my 80 out of the mud. I will also purchase a snatch block just in case.
 
concretejungle said:
great question and great timing since i'm about to be in the market for a winch for my 80.

That said, i believe Cdan has 8,000# warn, christo has one. I have seen a 8274 (8000#) pull a totally stuck 80 up out of a mud hole and over a 4 foot ledge. It did slow way down, but it got the job done.

I am pretty sure that i will be getting the 8274 based on speed, durability, reliability, line length and ability to get my 80 out of the mud. I will also purchase a snatch block just in case.
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good, but are you planning to try and put the 8274 in the ARB? Or is it the commercial version?
 
Entaran said:
Maybe you should ring Warn up and talk to one of them and they'll probably repeat what I said.

If you're generating extreme forces when snatching a truck you're not doing it properly. Go take a course in it or something, the only snatching exercise that will generate extreme forces is sand recoveries and I don't think you guys in north america would ever come across the need for one of those.
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This is North America. On this continent, we have everything. Sand dunes, rockcrawling, mountian passes, washboard roads, mud, snow and everything between are all only a day or two away.
 
Entaran said:
Maybe you should ring Warn up and talk to one of them and they'll probably repeat what I said.

If you're generating extreme forces when snatching a truck you're not doing it properly. Go take a course in it or something, the only snatching exercise that will generate extreme forces is sand recoveries and I don't think you guys in north america would ever come across the need for one of those.

Comparing a 7000lb truck towing and braking to winching is completely pointless as trailers have their own braking systems and a winch doesn't produce instantaneous forces of that magnitude or even anywher near it. It would also depend on the trailer and the weight carried by the trailer and numerous other factors.

As for real world experience, i've probably recovered a bogged truck or watched a recovery 2-300 times now and i'm still in my early 20's.
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:eek:

wow.
early 20s?

how'd you get so much experience at such a young age?
taken many off-road courses, I can only assume...



do you have a contact at Warn I could ring up? I didn't care much before, but now you have me a tad curious as to what they'd tell me...








:rolleyes:
 
i think that working a winch near its limit is a bad idea... if you were in a 40 or may be a 55 i would say go for it. But in an 80 the only 8000ld winch i would consider is the 8274-50 but i have heard that it is under rated (by a lot) i have been told that is a 11,000lb winch but (that hear say)
 
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