Any 200 series owners considering a 2017 Ford Raptor?

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Haha, I don't think any of us need encouragement! Thought that listing was interesting because it's around the actual MSRP for a loaded truck... I'll also go dig through my email, I talked with a guy at Medved Ford Castle Rock last year that told me I could place an order at MSRP. Let me know what time Saturday..
 
I’ll take the under on Canyonero selling the X out of frustration in 24mo. Lol! I’m telling you, those Falcon wing doors will piss you off. My neighbor has had his Model X in shop so many times, it just now sits in his garage and literally uses it to drive up the street to the golf clubhouse. Granted his is a 2015 Model, so maybe they’ve worked out some of the bugs for the exception of the HVAC system that truly sucks at cooling when it’s hot out. I hope the next version they offer a more suv like vehicle and then I may take a look again for my daily driving vehicle. I hate going to the gas station!

I do like the rear captain chairs. If They Had tray tables, I may have bought it, so my kids could do homework on the way home. Lol
 
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Some pretty strong opinions here...

I can't even imagine selling my Cruiser. But...

I'm thinkin @Canyonero is just a different kind of car guy.
He swings in and out of cars like Tarzan swings from tree to tree.
It's not like he'll be married to either vehicle.
-So if he no likey the X...or the Raptor...he'll just swing on out of em and into something else.
If he can afford it? Why not?
I could never afford to do it...but if I could? I'd probably wanna try all sorts of stuff.

I'd think long and hard about selling your beast though.
It's unique in the stable, and fills a niche none of the others can.
If you can afford a big stable...I'd consider the Cruiser a staple within the stable. Staple with a P. But that's just one more opinion.

You'd be missed, Greg.
But as they say in Papua New Guinea... "Laik belong you!"
Or as Wesley said to Buttercup... "As you wish!"
 
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The Raptor isn't any bigger than most other half tons on the road...
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The Raptor body is 6 inches wider than the standard f150
 
I’ll take the under on Canyonero selling the X out of frustration in 24mo. Lol! I’m telling you, those Falcon wing doors will piss you off. My neighbor has had his Model X in shop so many times, it just now sits in his garage and literally uses it to drive up the street to the golf clubhouse. Granted his is a 2015 Model, so maybe they’ve worked out some of the bugs for the exception of the HVAC system that truly sucks at cooling when it’s hot out. I hope the next version they offer a more suv like vehicle and then I may take a look again for my daily driving vehicle. I hate going to the gas station!

I do like the rear captain chairs. If They Had tray tables, I may have bought it, so my kids could do homework on the way home. Lol

I hear you, and those are real concerns. On our 2018 model x test drive both the falcon doors and the AC worked great -we tested them as extensively as we could.

There seems to have been a lot of improvement to the X. The 2nd row chairs now fold down as well, providing a flat floor.

Every vehicle has compromises. A Raptor has a lot more of them! If we get the X (looks likely at this point) it would be on a 3 year lease. I’m sure we can put up with it for 3 years, but I have a feeling we’ll lov it.
 
You should get slightly better mileage with the X vs. the LC. Lol! Make sure to upload pics of your new X and keep us posted on it. I’m a car whore like you from the sound of it. My wife was so happy when we sold our last home from our previous 6 car garage to a 3 car in downtown Louisville which is considered big there...lol! Sold my ML63, CLS63 and LC which I miss all dearly. Just ordered my wife a MY18 Macan S and now own an X5 that I can’t wait to get rid of after only having it for 6mo. I’m in the market for a suv replacement....maybe your LC and a secondary DD for daily driving.
 
I came from an Ecoboost 2013 F-150. It had the King Ranch package, I upgraded it with fox shocks/struts all the way around. It was a sweet truck for sure. I miss the back seat space and the bed for hauling. The Ecoboost was a powerful engine...

BUT

It was immediately evident when I got the 200 how much better of a vehicle it was compared to the F-150. The Ecoboost never ran right. At idle after reaching running temp it would stutter and shake and generally run rough. The dealer agreed that it was happening but the diagnostic computer showed no anomalies in fuel/air ratio or any other issues and they couldn't do anything. I eventually spent a few hundred dollars on a catch can and every fill up I'd drain out a bunch of fluid that was acidic and oily - this only marginally helped. The door panels rattled. The ventilated seats were worse than ours. The rear leaf springs clunked. An integrated wheel end failed.

I hear the MY17 3.5L Ecoboost now has both direct and port injection helping to reduce a lot of the carbon build up and vacuum issues that likely led to my problems. The 10 speed transmission hasn't received exactly rave reviews. Every once in a while I wander over to RaptorForum and once you cut past all the high school kids pretending they own raptors and the blow hards trying to start fights, you can glean some good information. There's a section that talks about dealers selling at MSRP.

I'll admit, every time I see a raptor or a nicely equipped 17+ Lariat or King Ranch I start to think... and then I hit a bump in the 200 it's a bank vault - there's no rattle, no shake, no rough idle, no issues. It's kind of like how I look at Apple products - they're expensive and they may not have the most upgradeability or be the extreme most cutting edge, but they and the 200 simply work.
 
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I’m also having a hard time deciding between another 200 or a raptor. I could really use the bed in a truck but the payload is pretty low for any truck. Not to mention the ADM on raptors. If they would just release the LC300...
 
I came from an Ecoboost 2013 F-150. It had the King Ranch package, I upgraded it with fox shocks/struts all the way around. It was a sweet truck for sure. I miss the back seat space and the bed for hauling. The Ecoboost was a powerful engine...

BUT

It was immediately evident when I got the 200 how much better of a vehicle it was compared to the F-150. The Ecoboost never ran right. At idle after reaching running temp it would stutter and shake and generally run rough. The dealer agreed that it was happening but the diagnostic computer showed no anomalies in fuel/air ratio or any other issues and they couldn't do anything. I eventually spent a few hundred dollars on a catch can and every fill up I'd drain out a bunch of fluid that was acidic and oily - this only marginally helped. The door panels rattled. The ventilated seats were worse than ours. The rear leaf springs clunked. An integrated wheel end failed.

I hear the MY17 3.5L Ecoboost now has both direct and port injection helping to reduce a lot of the carbon build up and vacuum issues that likely led to my problems. The 10 speed transmission hasn't received exactly rave reviews. Every once in a while I wander over to RaptorForum and once you cut past all the high school kids pretending they own raptors and the blow hards trying to start fights, you can glean some good information. There's a section that talks about dealers selling at MSRP.

I'll admit, every time I see a raptor or a nicely equipped 17+ Lariat or King Ranch I start to think... and then I hit a bump in the 200 it's a bank vault - there's no rattle, no shake, no rough idle, no issues. It's kind of like how I look at Apple products - they're expensive and they may not have the most upgradeability or be the extreme most cutting edge, but they and the 200 simply work.

There is no substitute for your experience, even while anecdotal. Someone who has owned a fairly late model loaded F-150 and then went to a 200 and can tell the tale - that's helpful data.

I think the bottom line is there is probably not a vehicle on the planet built like the 200. That gives me pause on considering selling mine. I know if I get a Model X or anything else, the build quality just won't match the 200. I also agree with your Apple product analogy. At least when it comes to smartphones, there isn't really anything else as consistently functional and reliable.
 
Haven’t heard anything concrete about a convertible, not sure if Lexus is doing that or not. Having also gone RCF to LC500 though, I can tell you it’s an incredible switch; they are truly night and day, which I did not expect
 
Haven’t heard anything concrete about a convertible, not sure if Lexus is doing that or not. Having also gone RCF to LC500 though, I can tell you it’s an incredible switch; they are truly night and day, which I did not expect
Would like to hear a bit more

I didn’t test drive the LC she did and she didn’t get on it

I read on 10/27 we should know if there is a LC500 convert coming
 
Just my opinion, but a Raptor is a step down from a 200 series in terms of quality and durability. The only area in which the Raptor compares is price. I saw a new one a few weeks ago on the showroom floor, $86,000.

A coworker saw one at a local Ford dealer with a “market adjusted price” of $110,000.
 
Just my opinion, but a Raptor is a step down from a 200 series in terms of quality and durability. The only area in which the Raptor compares is price. I saw a new one a few weeks ago on the showroom floor, $86,000.

A coworker saw one at a local Ford dealer with a “market adjusted price” of $110,000.

I don't think anyone disagrees regarding quality/durability.
 
I know I'm reanimating an old thread here, but I was thinking about the last 200 I drove and did a web search. As a long time Toyota guy (and member of this forum) who now drives a Raptor I thought it would be nice to post some actual owner impressions.

The Raptor is a very different vehicle from ANY Toyota SUV, and whether you'd want one or not really depends on your use case. In that respect there are some areas of overlap obviously with offroading and possibly towing with a 200 specifically. And moving a lot of people/gear.

The raptor is FAST, on and offroad. For a truck of course. If you haven't managed to convince someone to take you out and go 40-80mph offroad you owe it to yourself just for the experience. It's also mega-comfy with nice seats that are heated/ventilated, carplay, panoramic sunroof, CAVERNOUS rear seat room for kids/dog/gear. It's shockingly comfy offroad, even at speed over bumpy terrain because of what it's designed for. You can haul a lot of gear. It has a nice big gas tank that gives you a 600+ mile freeway range. And that range is real, I got 19mpg on a recent 1700+ mile road trip. The wide track and soft suspension make it stable and drama free on twisty mountain roads. It's amazing in the snow (I live in tahoe) with selectable AWD and 4WD assuming you respect the weight/stopping distance. Its super fun doing high speed offroad. It has the traction and offroad tech to crawl with a rear locker, Torsen front diff, front and 360 camera, etc. It can also tow, whether than be a camper, offoad trailer, boat, etc. Keep in mind it will not be bothered by the gear you carry in terms of acceleration, but by the relatively small (by 1/2 ton truck standards) payload and tow ratings which are mostly due to suspension.

All the baja wannabe footage kind of covers up the fact that the raptor is an amazingly good DD/family hauler and ultra easy to build overlanding platform. It needs nothing in terms of engine mods, has great range, can carry a lot of gear (and carry it lower to the ground!) has prewired aux switches and the suspension is near perfect though some swap leaf springs if they're schlepping a ton of gear.

But it's not all fun and games. The truck is BIG compared even to something like a 200. It's very wide. If you live in a city you might be doing a bit of driving around to find parking. It does have a 360 view camera which is nice but a prius sized spot is a prius sized spot. On the trails that size is even more apparent. While it's made for bombing FS roads and wide open desert tracks on tighter stuff you've gotta get used to careful tire placement and hopefully you wrap or otherwise protect the paint. The size issues extend to clearance. Because it's much longer than an SUV both wheelbase and total, it's going to have breakover and departure angle related issues. Very easy to scrape. And the raptor side steps are *NOT* rock sliders, haha! I've scraped them on pretty mild humps and rocks.

Most of this thread is about quality. We all know Toyota is legendary for it's longevity. I personally have a 260k mile 4runner in the family and had a 12 year old FJC that might as well have been new for it's lack of rattles or lack of mechanical issues. The 200 is built on an even longer run cycle than those. I haven't had the raptor that long, it's an '18 with only 26k miles on it. But to date no rattles, wear or anything other than trouble free fun, and mine isn't a pavement princess. Given my experience with turbo motors in sports cars I would not expect this thing to be running well at 200k miles. I also don't expect to be driving it that long. 100k mile platinum extended warranties for raptors are available to $2k. 100k miles for me is 12-15 years. Will I keep it even that long before I'm tempted by something else? Probably not to be honest.

So that's it. I'm not trying to convince anyone what vehicle they should drive. But I will say that the Raptor is very fun, capable and worthy of the hype around it.
 
I know I'm reanimating an old thread here, but I was thinking about the last 200 I drove and did a web search. As a long time Toyota guy (and member of this forum) who now drives a Raptor I thought it would be nice to post some actual owner impressions.

The Raptor is a very different vehicle from ANY Toyota SUV, and whether you'd want one or not really depends on your use case. In that respect there are some areas of overlap obviously with offroading and possibly towing with a 200 specifically. And moving a lot of people/gear.

The raptor is FAST, on and offroad. For a truck of course. If you haven't managed to convince someone to take you out and go 40-80mph offroad you owe it to yourself just for the experience. It's also mega-comfy with nice seats that are heated/ventilated, carplay, panoramic sunroof, CAVERNOUS rear seat room for kids/dog/gear. It's shockingly comfy offroad, even at speed over bumpy terrain because of what it's designed for. You can haul a lot of gear. It has a nice big gas tank that gives you a 600+ mile freeway range. And that range is real, I got 19mpg on a recent 1700+ mile road trip. The wide track and soft suspension make it stable and drama free on twisty mountain roads. It's amazing in the snow (I live in tahoe) with selectable AWD and 4WD assuming you respect the weight/stopping distance. Its super fun doing high speed offroad. It has the traction and offroad tech to crawl with a rear locker, Torsen front diff, front and 360 camera, etc. It can also tow, whether than be a camper, offoad trailer, boat, etc. Keep in mind it will not be bothered by the gear you carry in terms of acceleration, but by the relatively small (by 1/2 ton truck standards) payload and tow ratings which are mostly due to suspension.

All the baja wannabe footage kind of covers up the fact that the raptor is an amazingly good DD/family hauler and ultra easy to build overlanding platform. It needs nothing in terms of engine mods, has great range, can carry a lot of gear (and carry it lower to the ground!) has prewired aux switches and the suspension is near perfect though some swap leaf springs if they're schlepping a ton of gear.

But it's not all fun and games. The truck is BIG compared even to something like a 200. It's very wide. If you live in a city you might be doing a bit of driving around to find parking. It does have a 360 view camera which is nice but a prius sized spot is a prius sized spot. On the trails that size is even more apparent. While it's made for bombing FS roads and wide open desert tracks on tighter stuff you've gotta get used to careful tire placement and hopefully you wrap or otherwise protect the paint. The size issues extend to clearance. Because it's much longer than an SUV both wheelbase and total, it's going to have breakover and departure angle related issues. Very easy to scrape. And the raptor side steps are *NOT* rock sliders, haha! I've scraped them on pretty mild humps and rocks.

Most of this thread is about quality. We all know Toyota is legendary for it's longevity. I personally have a 260k mile 4runner in the family and had a 12 year old FJC that might as well have been new for it's lack of rattles or lack of mechanical issues. The 200 is built on an even longer run cycle than those. I haven't had the raptor that long, it's an '18 with only 26k miles on it. But to date no rattles, wear or anything other than trouble free fun, and mine isn't a pavement princess. Given my experience with turbo motors in sports cars I would not expect this thing to be running well at 200k miles. I also don't expect to be driving it that long. 100k mile platinum extended warranties for raptors are available to $2k. 100k miles for me is 12-15 years. Will I keep it even that long before I'm tempted by something else? Probably not to be honest.

So that's it. I'm not trying to convince anyone what vehicle they should drive. But I will say that the Raptor is very fun, capable and worthy of the hype around it.

Holy dead threads, Batman! :)

Seriously, that's an awesome account of the truck. It sounds like you've appreciated its delivery on its mission. I'm excited to see the next gen Raptor, wonder what they are going to do to compete with the TRX? Put a rocket in the bed, I assume.

I never bought a Raptor, mostly due to it's payload and towing limitations. Bought a 2018 F-150 that I had for about 2.5 years, and recently traded that up to a 2020 F-250 Diesel/Platinum/Tremor, which is an absolute monster and I'm in love. ♥ I've got an A.R.E. Overland topper and I'm building it for expedition duty (Alaska summer 2021). It's no desert-runner, but with factory 35's, factory locker, skid plates, etc., it's plenty tough/capable. As you said about the Raptor (same cab, essentially), it's mega comfortable inside. Really outshines any Lexus, Porsche, BMW, Tesla product I've owned.

Congrats on the Raptor, sounds like it has been a great rig for you!
 
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The Ford ecoboost in the Raptor is the same engine I have in my 4th gen Navigator and I absolutely love the engine and 10 speed transmission pairing. That being said, the long term high mileage I’ll have at the end of ownership is something I do think about. We did extended warranty and will be covered until 125k or 9 years (maybe 10 years, I don’t recall at the moment) so that gives me 7 years or so to drive worry free. I’m curious to see how the Toyota twin turbo stacks up performance wise to the ecoboost in this next gen Lexus 300 series. We just ordered the 200 LC because the v8 is proven beyond any doubt, once our Navigator has gotten long in the tooth the Toyota twin turbos will have plenty of time to have a reputation so one may find a home where my Navigator currently sits.

I have always wanted to have a go in a Raptor on some wide open desert or some type of course to really put it through it’s paces, Ford can really nail a vehicle from time to time and the Raptor has proven to be a solid example of that.
 

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