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If you wanna go this route, get a 99. I have a 98, and I seriously wish I had a 99. 2 big changes:

1: Rear A/C
2: functional cupholders

the 98 has neither of these things
 
That's a wicked Sequoia. I don't think I'll be doing anything like that to anything I own, but it looks like fun.

Rear AC is a huge plus. I almost pulled the trigger on a '98 hundy the other day in a fit of impatience and petulance. Thanks for the note!

I'm definitely getting ahead of myself with the 6'2" teenager criteria. My oldest is only 6, but in his car seat he can almost touch the floor in the middle row while in his car seat. He's still got a couple inches, but he's a tall kid. His younger brother is going to be even taller. We probably have a few years before the boys will be overly cramped in the 3rd row, LC or Sequoia. (Hell, in 10 years we may have flying cars like Back to the Future. --- um, probably not.)

Having room to drop your legs in the Sequoia is definitely the biggest advantage of the Big Tree's 3rd row. Car trips are generally uncomfortable anyway, including the front seat, but making them less comfortable with too little space is a recipe for not taking trips. Then what's the point of having the rig?

I think I'm just going to have to try the Sequoia. If I grow to like it, well, then this will have been a lot of consternation for nuthin'. If I don't like it, I should know pretty soon, before I can get too attached. In which case, I'll have another round of 4x4 musical chairs and get a LC/LX.
 
Brought home a 2012 4WD Sequoia Saturday to replace our 4Runner as road tripper and hauler of dogs. Very comfortable and enormous inside (and out). It has a lot of great features even though it's the SR5, but of course I'm used to a 19 year old 4Runner so enough said. One thing that already made me say, "Wow!" is the turning radius. It's tighter than most cars I've driven, let alone trucks.
 
jdlobb said:
If you wanna go this route, get a 99. I have a 98, and I seriously wish I had a 99. 2 big changes:

1: Rear A/C
2: functional cupholders

the 98 has neither of these things
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What the heck is wrong with the cup holders? I'm more than fine with mine...
 
The Gen 2 Sequoia is definitely bigger, and outside of my price range. Remarkably the 2008+ Sequoia has a better turning radius than the 100 despite its 10 extra inches of wheelbase. The G2 can turn around in circle 1 yard smaller than the G1. The 3rd row legroom is also bumped up from 29.8 to 35.3" at the expense of behind the seat space.

In case anyone in the NW has a good Gen 1 Sequoia they'd like to sell or trade for a nice FZJ80, I'm finally posting my 80 for sale or trade today.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/fzj80-in-nice-shape.814086/
 
ylexot said:
As for style, I'd still be happily driving my fj62, if it weren't for the third row issue. I like older lines, bit it takes people buying the new stuff, so I can buy the old stuff. I'm glad there are different strokes for all the different folks.
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Why not install a 3rd row seat? It was an option in other countries.
 
I won't describe in detail the anguish thst washed over me when I discovered photographs of a 62 with a 3rd row a few months after I sold mine. I loved my 62, if I had thought of putting any kind of 3rd row in there, I would have it today. I don't think I could have worked out a third row solution in time for the ski trip I mentioned above, where my sister in law and my oldest rode on the back-back. After that trip, my wife thought she liked the 80, but she sat in the middle row with the baby the whole trip while my brother rode shotgun. I was starting to get used to it. My 80 was getting good mileage for an 80, 16+ mpg loaded with passengers and gear on the roof. I figured we had found a winner. And we had, until about 50 minutes into our Yellowstone trip when my wife finally sat in the front seat with all her crap for more than 30 minutes.

I know the 60 series is spacious enough in the front and what would be the middle row. I expect any jump seats installed in a 60 would be similar in comfort to those in the 80 or 100, except with less head room and probably less room behind the 3rd row.

Today, I made a purchase pending mechanic's inspection on an 06 sequoia. Since bringing it home we have discovered one more on a growing list of electrical things that aren't working. We are going to return it to the dealer tomorrow. Also, I got to spend about an hour in the driver's seat slogging through rush hour traffic. I now know that these nearly new condition sequoia seats don't fit me right. We're not trading my comfort for my wife's. From the photographs and examples I've seen, I haven't noticed any design changes to the front seats for any G1 Sequoia. Does anyone know if the earlier G1s had different seats? Anyway, I'm glad it didn't take a final purchase with the pleasure of resale to figure out this Sequoia isn't the truck for us.

The 100 is back to the top of the list. Ample room for the wife's foot side rubbish and adequate room in the middle and tolerable comfort for young folks in the back. If I can find a 60/62 in good shape and figure out a 3rd row swap, I would go for that too. More likely we'll do the 100 as a concession to newness and spousal comfort.
 
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My mom had a 62 with a third row. It was just a bench you could bolt in. It was able to face forward or backwards. Or you could unbolt it (4bolts) and keep it out. It was handy. She sold it, so I cannot get pictures. Sorry.


...via IH8MUD app
 
Any idea if that was a factory option or an aftermarket solution. I would have loved to see that. I have seen a bolt in kit for Jeeps, CJ I think. Those involve a bracket bolted to the floor and a bench that can quick disconnect from the bracket. I'm sure it could do in a pinch.
 
 
I got in touch with the company that makes and sells the bench for the 60. It looks pretty decent and is ~$1200 delivered. The information is about 6 months late in one respect, but has reopened the 60 as an option.

We have made our final decision about Sequoias this week. On Tuesday I temporarily traded my 80 in on an 06 Sequoia. They gave me a surprisingly good trade value for my 80 and made for nearly a decent deal on the Sequoia. The deal included a 36 hour inspection period. After about 35 minutes of driving though, I realized that the seats were hitting the back of my leg wrong. No matter how I adjusted the seat, I couldn't make it right. Bummer. I get it home and show my wife a few issues with it: AHC not manually adjustable, TPMS sensor going off, side curtain air bag button doesn't illuminate an indicator to show if it was working or not. We go through it more carefully still, find some more cosmetic flaws, and that the DVD monitor doesn't work: DVD plays audio, but no show. The wife drives it for a bit and the seat isn't right for her for different reasons. My 80 is back home and that pretty nice Sequoia can get fixed and bless someone else. (Beaverton Toyota for anyone local that's interested or cares.)

In the last several days we've gone back and forth about whether to buy the nicest 100 we can find and afford to use as the primary family vehicle, get a well used 100 to replace the 80 and continue to use the minivan for general use, or go back to a 60 and again keep the minivan.

The 60 would be a candidate for another diesel swap and I would first need to find a way to make the interior more posh for the wife, including sound proofing and better front seats before investing in the repower. The 100 has better power for our needs and has been approved as comfortable, and has the benefit of a foldaway 3rd row vs a bolt in/out bench. We have learned to make sure to take a longer ride in a car before buying to make sure the seating is comfortable and functional. It remains possible that the seats in the 100 will have similar issues as the Sequoia.
 
Sorry it didn't work out w the Sequoia. You just never can really get to know a vehicle in a short test drive. I have found the 100 seats to be extremely comfortable - I prefer them to my wife's 2011 Odyssey.

Other than the 3rd row, it sounds like your 80 is almost the perfect vehicle? Seems like you'd be going backwards to a 60 and then having to spend $1200 to add a 3rd row in a vehicle that is at least 25 years old. Since you have a minivan, why not use that for your long road trips and your 80 for your off road camping / adventure type trips? Tried to buy an LC for my wife as the main family vehicle, but she didn't like it as much as the minivan. So, when the time came, I bought a 100 for me and I love it.

We use our Ody for most long road trips - it holds more, seats more in comfort, and gets 26 mpg. We take the LC on ski trips, beach trips, and camping trips. The kids prefer the Ody most of the time.
 
Yeah, I thought the 80 was going to be the perfect compromise: relatively low cost, some modern comfort without too much elecronics, burly offroad capability, especially with factory lockers, with 3rd row seats and a bow. Too bad the front passenger leg room thing is a complete deal breaker for her. I've learned that we do less fun stuff if she's not modestly comfortable. (Fairly reasonable, I suppose.)

She really likes her minivan. I really like the esthetics and simplicity of the 60. I'm just not sure I can make a 60 comfy enough. It should be feasible though.

The path of least resistance is an older 100 that isnt all used up.

Here's a fresh question for 100 owners. Given average maintenance and average usage (occasionally to rarely off road with a lot of grocery getting), at what point in miles is a 100 in need of major overhaul: engine, driveline, rubber hits, etc.?
 
No takers on the miles to major repairs/maintenance (not just scheduled type maintenance) question?

A local car dealer had an 01 with 96k miles that we borrowed over night. It just had the timing belt done, was pretty clean, ran and drove well - no surprise. The sunroof had some wind noise, there was a mild squeeks coming from the wheels that I could hear when creeping through a traffic jam, and an odd sound like a compressor every so often. I noticed a similar sound in a 00 when I turned the key to the accessory position. In the 00 the sound continued to stop and start for several minutes even after I took the key out and continued to study the condition of the interior. What is that noise from? No AHC. Nothing turned on intentionally. Weird, but repeated in both vehicles.

Regardless, .my wife decided she doesn't want to have the 100 as "her" vehicle and prefers her minivan, a phenomenon others have reported. That's just as well for me, but rules out a low mileage unit for me as I can't justify the upfront cost, nearly double, for low miles. But this brings the question above to more importance. I don't want to spend $10k or more on a restoration project.
 
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