Am I Nuts for Considering a Cruiser Purchase in Today's Market?

[PDoyle]

Angelo is right about dumping of suv trends, but also the demo here probably doesn’t care and needs to haul stuff and kids regardless. I still think the lx 570 leases are the best bet here when 600 comes. LX buyers probably want the latest over the LC crowd. Specially considering they have known it’s going away for a couple years now.

What is a good lease turn in website for LX's?

 

[umarali]

what do you guys think of this one? is it ok deal for this market? terrible even for this market or horrible horribly overpriced? any feedback? carfax is clean and doesnt show any issues reported in history as well.

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talked to then and they said will only take couple of hundreds off since it is not thousands of dollars marked up

 

[Tex68w]

Ask them for a discount for not mentioning the Eric Charles Maund murder lol. In all seriousness I don't know if that's a good deal or not in this current market but miles are low and it's a 2016+. Full records?

 

[AnyMal]

What is a good lease turn in website for LX's?

Swapalease is the only lease takeover marketplace i know of and have used.
Other than knowing the dealer and his pipeline info.

 

[Angelo1]

WOOOOOOOOWWWWW, WHAT A SURPRISE!

NOT

They will never ever ever be able to raise rates. This super cycle is going to be cataclysmic.
All of this postering, signaling, they have absolutely nothing.

Swapalease is the only lease takeover marketplace i know of and have used.
Other than knowing the dealer and his pipeline info.

Leasetrader is another

 

[stonepa]

i can buy a lot of gas for just the sales tax on a new vehicle. Add in depreciation on a new vehicle and I can afford to drive my LC forever.

 

[bloc]

what do you guys think of this one? is it ok deal for this market? terrible even for this market or horrible horribly overpriced? any feedback? carfax is clean and doesnt show any issues reported in history as well.

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talked to then and they said will only take couple of hundreds off since it is not thousands of dollars marked up

I’m sure their service dept has different managers than sales, but all under the same roof. Multiple friends here in Austin have had absolutely horrible experiences with using them for service. I would anticipate a bad sales experience as well.

 

[Angelo1]

i can buy a lot of gas for just the sales tax on a new vehicle. Add in depreciation on a new vehicle and I can afford to drive my LC forever.

Absolutely! In hindsight, I should have installed the 12.5ga. tank and called it a day. Getting gas 2x week waiting in line broke the camels back for me. I just don’t have time for it and my new X7 allows me to drive 500mi on a tank. Just doesn’t provide the same satisfaction as my 200 did, even though it’s pretty dang amazing. Odd

 

[Tex68w]

For the money I'd get the 24ga, it's on the list for mine.

 

[Angelo1]

For the money I'd get the 24ga, it's on the list for mine.

Definitely better for the similar cost, however having a rear mounted tire with a bike rack I use regularly and getting into the cargo space makes it more of a pain. Also, with the added length would not be ideal in my garage having to extend out my bike rack to clear the tire. Ed Martin Toyota has a pre-owned white Heritage with the 12.5 that is tempting but the price is simply high for it.

 

[Tex68w]

Definitely better for the similar cost, however having a rear mounted tire with a bike rack I use regularly and getting into the cargo space makes it more of a pain. Also, with the added length would not be ideal in my garage having to extend out my bike rack to clear the tire. Ed Martin Toyota has a pre-owned white Heritage with the 12.5 that is tempting but the price is simply high for it.

I get it, there's definitely an appeal to keeping a full-size spare underneath if you can stay with a 33"-ish size tire. On the highway the 12.5-gal would net me another 225 miles which isn't anything to sneeze at but at around town numbers or off-road we are talking 150-ish miles which isn't all that impressive when I can carry two 4-gal Rotopax and cover 2/3 of that range for a fraction of the cost. To me the extended range is more appealing for the highway and everyday miles where I don't have time for nor want/need to stop for a refuel, YMMV.

In regards to the pre-owned at EM, you only live once and it's only money, lol. If you take into consideration the lift, tires, sliders, and aux fuel tank you're looking at $10K+, maybe toss him $100K for an offer and see if he bites.

 

[Angelo1]

I get it, there's definitely an appeal to keeping a full-size spare underneath if you can stay with a 33"-ish size tire. On the highway the 12.5-gal would net me another 225 miles which isn't anything to sneeze at but at around town numbers or off-road we are talking 150-ish miles which isn't all that impressive when I can carry two 4-gal Rotopax and cover 2/3 of that range for a fraction of the cost. To me the extended range is more appealing for the highway and everyday miles where I don't have time for nor want/need to stop for a refuel, YMMV.

In regards to the pre-owned at EM, you only live once and it's only money, lol. If you take into consideration the lift, tires, sliders, and aux fuel tank you're looking at $10K+, maybe toss him $100K for an offer and see if he bites.

Lol! I was just doing the math as well. I’ll shoot him an email about it. He did the work on my previous 200, so at least we have a working relationship.

 

[TheGrrrrr]

I get it, there's definitely an appeal to keeping a full-size spare underneath if you can stay with a 33"-ish size tire. On the highway the 12.5-gal would net me another 225 miles which isn't anything to sneeze at but at around town numbers or off-road we are talking 150-ish miles which isn't all that impressive when I can carry two 4-gal Rotopax and cover 2/3 of that range for a fraction of the cost. To me the extended range is more appealing for the highway and everyday miles where I don't have time for nor want/need to stop for a refuel, YMMV.

In regards to the pre-owned at EM, you only live once and it's only money, lol. If you take into consideration the lift, tires, sliders, and aux fuel tank you're looking at $10K+, maybe toss him $100K for an offer and see if he bites.

Congrats on averaging 18mpg on the highway. I have 285/75/17 mounted underneath and it fits just fine. I guess that would qualify as 33ish (nearly 34) but I haven't been sure if that would make the 12.5 LRA an issue or not. Also can't figure out how the spare could mount with the LRA and not lose a tone of clearance back there.

Can the 12.5 be used with a nearly 34" spare, and how much lower would the spare ride than normal?

 

[TheGrrrrr]

what do you guys think of this one? is it ok deal for this market? terrible even for this market or horrible horribly overpriced? any feedback? carfax is clean and doesnt show any issues reported in history as well.

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talked to then and they said will only take couple of hundreds off since it is not thousands of dollars marked up

My reaction is that it seems high, but checking my research that's one of the best deals I have seen in months, based on the mileage.

I just entered it into Carvana's website to see what they would buy it from you for and they would pay $63,656. That tells me it's not too far off what I would expect. Normally expect Carmax, Carvana and the like to offer 10% lower than dealer retail.

 

[El Cid]

Speaking of this, if you have really good credit, I've had great success with Lightstream bank for auto loans. Their rates were the lowest I could find (for both new and used vehicles), but more importantly they just deposit the loan into your bank account and then you can go buy the vehicle with cash. They also don't end up on the title, so despite the fact that the rates are priced like an auto loan, it's really an unsecured loan. I know I probably sound like a shill for them but if you want to pay in cash but don't actually have enough cash to do so outright they are totally the way to go.

That said if you're buying from a dealer, you will most likely be able to negotiate a good deal if the salesman and dealership think they are going to provide you a loan. They get rebates (kickbacks, effectively) for pushing your loan through their preferred banks, and most finance departments will try to mark up your loan rate as well as they get a cut of that, too. (So yeah, never use the finance department's bank unless you've already secured your own financing and they are *actually* lower, because the first rate they offer is typically higher than what someone with good credit can find on their own). You can always tell them you're planning to finance the purchase, and then when you get to the finance dept pay however you want.

Sage advice. The only caveat is that rates are very low and that's fueling some of the market mania. I don't rely on the bankers for very long. Though this is a great value purchase in the big scheme of things, I'm no fan of auto debt, so I tend to play 3-card monty with my assets/finances to eliminate the note as soon as possible.

So if you're going to pay the note off quickly, then the relevance of the funding source, terms, amount, etc decrease in relevance. it's basically just price, total and paperwork.

 

[El Cid]

I have a strong suspicion the 300 will make its way to the U.S in four years once the supply shortage catches up and Toyota can offer a special edition model. All the overpriced 200’s will lose value rapidly from what people are paying for them today. Toyota will make an over the top announcement and this special edition will be a more off-road focused 300. Land Cruiser is not dead in America, it’s coming. You heard it here first.

I think it will be back, too.

Efficiency will be the issue and it will be stripped down. Still off-road capable but a bit more bare bones. The brand is fine globally and they are very proud of the Aichi plant. the US is just a very competitive SUV market.

 

[AnyMal]

Congrats on averaging 18mpg on the highway. I have 285/75/17 mounted underneath and it fits just fine. I guess that would qualify as 33ish (nearly 34) but I haven't been sure if that would make the 12.5 LRA an issue or not. Also can't figure out how the spare could mount with the LRA and not lose a tone of clearance back there.

Can the 12.5 be used with a nearly 34" spare, and how much lower would the spare ride than normal?

The OEM 12.5 subtank fits above the crossmember unless im mistaken and requires no modification of subframe bits.
Spare up to 34" should fit as usual.

 

[LCHOU]

Absolutely! In hindsight, I should have installed the 12.5ga. tank and called it a day. Getting gas 2x week waiting in line broke the camels back for me. I just don’t have time for it and my new X7 allows me to drive 500mi on a tank. Just doesn’t provide the same satisfaction as my 200 did, even though it’s pretty dang amazing. Odd

I have both an x5M50i and 200, plan on trading in the x5 for a 2series fun daily in the new year and keeping the 200. I am more emotionally attached to the 200 than the x5. Seems odd to me too.

 

[Angelo1]

I have both an x5M50i and 200, plan on trading in the x5 for a 2series fun daily in the new year and keeping the 200. I am more emotionally attached to the 200 than the x5. Seems odd to me too.

I’m may have talked my wife into letting me get a White Heritage with all the trimmings. She does not like the bronze wheels

 

[Supra Turbo]

I know those of us that are rational expect prices to level off...but will they? If people continue to pay inflated prices for these trucks, then they may not. This is just another example. I'd definitely hold off man. Unless money doesn't matter, then go for it.

These aren't air cooled 911's. Or something vintage and Italian. At the end of the day, it's just a Toyota. But...I'll get buried in mine! Have patience man. The right one will find you. Cheers.

The same "Toyota" comment was made about MKIV Supras over the years, and yet they went from them being $30k cars to $50k to $80k to $100k to $120k and now upwards of $170k+ and continue to climb. It's all relative... if enough people want it bad enough, the prices will increase.