80 next to a 200

[dclee]

Classy. Very classy.

Thank you! Just trying to give you your due, since that's apparently who you think you are as far as the wheeling gospel goes...

BTW, despite having asked (yet again) for you to back up your statements with proof, you once again (predictably) have no reponse...

Enjoy the vacation!

 

[cruiser88]

Thank you! Just trying to give you your due, since that's apparently who you think you are as far as the wheeling gospel goes...

I must lol this.

 

[Jim_Chow]

There was a comparison done in LC mag earlier this year over an obstacle course (kinda wimpy). The vehicles were a 40, 80, 100, and 200 series. The 200 was stock, other vehicles had some mods. Although the obstacles weren't very challenging, the 200 had poor underbody and tail ground clearance. Whenever there was a reasonably steep climb, although the 200 could make it, it's tail end would drag on the ground. Under belly was scraping on the rocks, too (no, sliders wouldn't have helped, as the rocks weren't large enough, but with the suspension under articulation, the belly could easily scrape). The other LC's didn't have that problem. In the Borneo offroad challenge feature in LC mag (mud and salt water fest through the jungle), the Toyota's entered were the 40, 60, 80, and hilux crew cab pickups (all diesels). No 100's or 200's, but some LR defenders. To no surprise, everyone was running decent lifts w/ big mud tires.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Enjoy the vacation!

I'm leaving soon. Meanwhile I thought you'd enjoy this article.

Pyeatt Draw Payson Arizona - 4X4 Off Road - 4 Wheel Drive & Sport Utility Magazine

 

[Buckru]

Quote from the article:

"There were several FZJ80 Land Cruisers on the trail, including this supercharged unit owned by Randy Drwinga. The 80-series Land Cruiser is one of the finest trail machines ever brought to North America."

They didn't say squat about your hundy.

Buck

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Quote from the article:

"There were several FZJ80 Land Cruisers on the trail, including this supercharged unit owned by Randy Drwinga. The 80-series Land Cruiser is one of the finest trail machines ever brought to North America."

They didn't say squat about your hundy.

Buck

TRUE! Very little actually.

Scott told me on the trip that I had enough press already. I was actually surprised to see anything in there about me. Before this trip Scott had just finished this project:

Trail Limo - Toyota Land Cruiser - Off-Road Magazine

 

[pagemaster]

It's the non-objective 80-nuts that seem to think they have the world's most capable wheeler that make me sick. That's just insane. The 80-series is far from that.

Now I wouldn't say that the 80 series is the most capable off road wheeler ever...but I just spent some time looking over an 92 Land Cruiser and it looks pretty damn tough underneath with all the heavy duty steel shields and the solid front and rear axles.

I then compared it to a 100 series and the 100 looks like it was designed for the SUV boom in the late 90's and into 2000.

The things that I noticed the most was the ground clearance in the 80s. I looked like at least 12 inches. I also took note as to how beefy everything looked.

I also had a chance to look at a 60's series. While tougher than the 100 series it does not look as capable underneath as the 80's.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Now I wouldn't say that the 80 series is the most capable off road wheeler ever...but I just spent some time looking over an 92 Land Cruiser and it looks pretty damn tough underneath with all the heavy duty steel shields and the solid front and rear axles.

I then compared it to a 100 series and the 100 looks like it was designed for the SUV boom in the late 90's and into 2000.

The things that I noticed the most was the ground clearance in the 80s. I looked like at least 12 inches. I also took note as to how beefy everything looked.

I also had a chance to look at a 60's series. While tougher than the 100 series it does not look as capable underneath as the 80's.

The eyball often tells only a part. You can look all you want and you won't see all the improvements. It's factual that the 80 was improved over the 60 durability-wise. Same is true over with the 100 over the 80. No comparison in build quality and it's been discussed for years now. Looks as though the 200 is again a notch up from the 100 in build quality though I haven't seen as much in print about the merits as I did when the 100 came out.

 

[Atticus]

The eyball often tells only a part. It's factual that the 80 was improved over the 60 durability-wise. Same is true over with the 100 over the 80. No comparison in build quality and it's been discussed for years now. Looks as though the 200 is again a notch up from the 100 in build quality though I haven't seen as much in print about the merits as I did when the 100 came out.

My impression comparing the 100 to the 80 is that the 100 is clearly far more refined, but that, as far as build quality goes, more attention was paid to the body of the 100 and the frame is more stout, but that the driveline components are not as durable or rugged as those on the 80. I'm talking about axles, third members, propeller shafts, transfer case, etc. That is my not-totally-educated opinion on it after driving both for a while.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

but that the driveline components are not as durable or rugged as those on the 80. I'm talking about axles, third members, propeller shafts, transfer case, etc.

It is factual on the front diff. Non-factional on the rest. Time has proven this.

 

[Atticus]

It is factual on the front diff. Non-factional on the rest. Time has proven this.

I'm not arguing with you, but how has time proven it? 80s are always going to be older than 100s. If you are saying that 100s are very durable, then I don't doubt it, but I don't know how you can say, at this point, that time has proven that the drivetrain parts are just as durable as those on the 80?

 

[pagemaster]

The eyball often tells only a part. You can look all you want and you won't see all the improvements. It's factual that the 80 was improved over the 60 durability-wise. Same is true over with the 100 over the 80. No comparison in build quality and it's been discussed for years now. Looks as though the 200 is again a notch up from the 100 in build quality though I haven't seen as much in print about the merits as I did when the 100 came out.

I didn't see much difference in mechanical build quality from the 80s to the 100. What I did notice is that underneath the 80 series there is a lot of metal clamps and shields..I looked as tho Toyota could care less about vehicle weight when designing the 80 series Land Cruiser. It looked like Toyota's only concern was robust strength and durability.

Where I did notice a lot of difference was the interior materials. Not so much the build quality as the 100 looks like it was an evolution of the 80 series but 100 just had a lot more fancier materials. Build quality was good on both. I would still trade the old school manual climate control of the 80 series over the digital climate contol of the 100. Same with the electronic steering wheel and Auto Height Control.

As for seals and exterial build quality. They both looked equal.

Overall both 80 series and 100 series Land Cruiser are well built machines design for tougn environments...The 100 series excels on pavement where the 80 series excels of pavement...

Nothing wrong with that...If I were stuck somewhere in the some remote area I likely would choose the 80 sereis...looked tougher and slightly better build...

 

[Izeloz]

I love my 80. It does awesome on all but the hardest trails. I have never driven a 100 or 200 series. I am sure they are great, too, but they lack the same simplicity of design. Simple is easy to fix. 80's were designed, in part, to be a machine used in third world countries where often times, the rugged reliability and simplicity of a system or component made all the difference. The later series cruisers were never really designed for this type of environment. Look at how long the mini trucks kept their solid axles in Australia and Africa compared to the United States. Why? Ease of repair and durable reliability. That being said, I am going with a mini truck or its ilk for serious wheeling.

 

[flyfish4life]

I love my 80. It does awesome on all but the hardest trails. I have never driven a 100 or 200 series. I am sure they are great, too, but they lack the same simplicity of design. Simple is easy to fix. 80's were designed, in part, to be a machine used in third world countries where often times, the rugged reliability and simplicity of a system or component made all the difference. The later series cruisers were never really designed for this type of environment. Look at how long the mini trucks kept their solid axles in Australia and Africa compared to the United States. Why? Ease of repair and durable reliability. That being said, I am going with a mini truck or its ilk for serious wheeling.

Huh, the 80, 100 and 200 are solely designed for countries other than the U.S. That's why 197,000 units of 200,000 are sold outside of U.S. I hardly think they are going to design something for U.S. pavement when 99.9% will never see the U.S.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

That being said, I am going with a mini truck or its ilk for serious wheeling.

And I'll go with a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon.

 

[dtt255]

And I'll go with a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon.

I am going for a subaru!!!

 

[chimyz]

Willys all the way!

 

[twstrchasr]

Defender 90

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Defender 90

YES! Naw, still want a Heep! :whoops:

 

[1loudLX]

Mini Cooper S for me.