80 next to a 200

[SpillmanCruiser]

Wow--look what I started. My pictorial comparison of the 80 and 200 turned into a wizzing contest on whether an 80 or 100 is better. You guys crack me up. No wonder I can't ever find the information I need in just one thread...

 

[calstyl2]

CV shaft failures?

 

[calstyl2]

Wow--look what I started. My pictorial comparison of the 80 and 200 turned into a wizzing contest on whether an 80 or 100 is better. You guys crack me up. No wonder I can't ever find the information I need in just one thread...

Its all about the search baby........ask for a test drive next time.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

CV shaft failures?

Where? How many? What were they doing? (Slee's doesn't count...he said it was an error and guessed a 80 birf would have popped in the same situation as well)

It there a bulletin? Why then are guys modding their 100's? Somebody must make an upgrade for the 100 like they do for 80's (birf's etc)? Oh wait....no they don't.

I'm interested. Please list the sources. Thank you.

 

[calstyl2]

Where? How many? What were they doing? (Slee's doesn't count...he said it was an error and guessed a 80 birf would have popped in the same situation as well)

It there a bulletin? Why then are guys modding their 100's? Somebody must make an upgrade for the 100 like they do for 80's (birf's etc)? Oh wait....no they don't.

I'm interested. Please list the sources. Thank you.

People are modding their 100's for expedition and mild to moderate wheeling, I know of only a few 100's built for extreme wheeling, one has a SFA conversion and the other has the top removed. Both trucks are quite well known here, you post pics of local runs you have done in AZ, yes you did Spike in Moab and IIRC cackled like a hen about it. In reality Spike is a mellow cool trail where you have to work hard to break s***. Run Rusty Nail, Green Day, Strike Ravine, Moab Rim or Pritchett then you will have some trail cred. till then you're gonna get alot of flak. I know of two CV joint falures here in Cali, both were in rocks,
Those mods dont exist cause there is no market for them, people are not doing the extreme stuff. I owned a 100 series, nicest riding car ever, loved it and wish I stil had it, but the ex loves it, still not gonna run it over Wrecking Balls

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

People are modding their 100's for expedition and mild to moderate wheeling, I know of only a few 100's built for extreme wheeling, one has a SFA conversion and the other has the top removed. Both trucks are quite well known here, you post pics of local runs you have done in AZ, yes you did Spike in Moab and IIRC cackled like a hen about it. In reality Spike is a mellow cool trail where you have to work hard to break s***. Run Rusty Nail, Green Day, Strike Ravine, Moab Rim or Pritchett then you will have some trail cred. till then you're gonna get alot of flak. I know of two CV joint falures here in Cali, both were in rocks,
Those mods dont exist cause there is no market for them, people are not doing the extreme stuff. I owned a 100 series, nicest riding car ever, loved it and wish I stil had it, but the ex loves it, still not gonna run it over Wrecking Balls

Spike was very over rated and only a "moderate" trail compared to what I've done. And yes...I sure did cackle a lot. I had $76,000 invested and was on a trail with a 4.5 rating (which turned out to be bogus rating-wise). I kept worrying about what horrible thing was next....but nothing horrible ever came up!

If I went back tomorrow I'd have the time of my life. The 100 is 3-years older and my fear of distruction level has decreased greatly. That's why I got the 100 up that wacked out climb above.

I am still smart about my choices though. Don't like brush. The LX450's for that.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Blah blah blah.......you're blinded. There's ONE...OK, maybe ONE POINT FIVE reasons ONLY why a 100 doesn't fair as well on a trail like the Rubicon.

ONE: It's larger size
POINT FIVE: No 4-6" lifts available
THAT'S IT! Nothing else on the 100 limites it's sucess on a trail like the Rubi besides that.

Don't even bring up IFS or pictures of Tacoma's embarrasing SFA 80's could arise.

No, there's only one reason, and it's a big one - DESIGN. All of the other vehicles I've mentioned ran the trail in stock form. That's the benchmark. Once you start adding mods you're no longer comparing apples to apples.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

No, there's only one reason, and it's a big one - DESIGN. All of the other vehicles I've mentioned ran the trail in stock form. That's the benchmark. Once you start adding mods you're no longer comparing apples to apples.

We're not talking stock.....neither are the Nor Cal guys. Can you IMAGINE a stock 80 going through the Rubicon? Hilarious! Stock 100? God!

Check this out from Scott Brady's Rubicon trip:

"The Rubicon is the most famous OHV trail in the world, but it is not the most difficult. For a short wheelbase vehicle with rocker panel protection and one locking differential this trail is very enjoyable. Longer (over 103" wheelbase vehicles) or wider vehicles will need more clearance and protection. My Jeep Wrangler has full protection, a 2.5" lift, and locking differentials. This type of vehicle is perfect for the Rubicon. Both Jeep's competed the trail without damage."

"The challenge keep coming after the gatekeeper with large boulders and tight lines requiring constant attention to prevent body damage. The trail leads to the trees and our only recovery of the trip. The Wrangler Rubicon high centered on a fallen log and required a quick pull. The trail was too tight to avoid the tree, and the limited ground clearance of the stock vehicle resulted in the stuck."

"The beginning of the trail was quite intimidating due to several vehicles having broken down. a large crowd had gathered and sparks were flying from welders and grinders working on the broken trucks. Our trip coincided with the end of the Toyota Rubithon, so Toyota truck and Land Cruisers were a common site. The later model Land Cruisers (FJ80) suffered the most damage, which was often relegated to the rear bumper, quarter panel and fender flares. More than one FJ80 had the fender flares strapped to the spare tire. More than just caution is required when taking a large, full bodied SUV through the Rubicon."

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

No, there's only one reason, and it's a big one - DESIGN. All of the other vehicles I've mentioned ran the trail in stock form. That's the benchmark. Once you start adding mods you're no longer comparing apples to apples.

As you'll read above....it's about size that limits you on the Rubi and other tight rock-brawl trails. The 80's are limited as well.
It's not "design". Take the 100 underpinnings and slap an FJC body on it and it'll go. Take the FJC underpinnings and slap a 100 body on it and it won't go.

 

[calstyl2]

Toyota did run a stock like 100 series over the Con when they first took the FJC cruiser over the Con, it was pretty well destroyed as far as rockers and sheet metal was concerned. The FJC was still a prototype at the time, the 100 series was crushed later if the story is correct.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Toyota did run a stock like 100 series over the Con when they first took the FJC cruiser over the Con, it was pretty well destroyed as far as rockers and sheet metal was concerned. The FJC was still a prototype at the time, the 100 series was crushed later if the story is correct.

I remember. Thanks for just making my point. The 100's BIG BODY got destroyed. Slap that body on the FJC and run that same trip and it's body is destroyed. It's size, not design or quality.

I've not been on a run in my 100 (or LX) with FJC's where I've been impressed yet. Different topic for a different day. If I went to the Rubi, I'd take a FJC, an H3, or a Wrangler over the 100 OR 80 ANY DAY.

It's the non-objective 80-nuts that seem to think they have the world's most capable wheeler that make me sick. That's just insane. The 80-series is far from that. Wranglers and Cherokees and Taco's can school them all day.

God I'd luv to be in Scott's Wrangler idling over the rocks, both feet relaxed on the floor while waving goodbye to the 80-crowd as they get hung up, munched, and strapped. LUV IT!

 

[calstyl2]

Well, the FJC had no damage, but I think they worked really hard on that.........The 80 series does well on the Rubicon but you have to use diffrent lines, the hens cackling about flare damage on the Rubithon were using a bad line and payed for it, the 80 is fine on the Con as is the 100, the worlds most capiable wheeler is made of tube. The Con also isnt s*** compaired to the Dusy Ersham trail........

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Well, the FJC had no damage, but I think they worked really hard on that.

I agree.....BUT.........no matter how hard they'd a work at it in a stock 100 or 80...the body would have taken the dents. They're designed correctly, but they're too big for that trail. The 80's rear corners would get ripped off first. Then, the whole 100's front bumper would cave in. What a mess!

 

[dclee]

Where they go deaf and/or are blinded is by discounting that the 100 is equal or better on MOST other trail types. For most trails rated 1-4+ the 100 has them and with all the perks not found in the 80. For 4+ to 4.5...take an 80. They need to wake up and be objective instead of bringing up the Rubicon Trail 99% of the time.

Jesus F'ing Christ! What does it take to get through this guy's skull, or make him remember more than five posts ago???

I am basically saying the exact same thing as you, I think sometimes you just like to start s#!t. Here's what I wrote in post #41:

"...the 100 can match it in most (but not all) off-roading situations..."

OK, FORGET THE RUBICON TRAIL. Bring your truck out to Johnson Valley or Fordyce and PROVE it to us...

 

[dclee]

Another post from CAL pointing back to the Rubicon. LUV IT!

By the way.......here's info on another Rubicon trip. I know, 80's are still way better if you're from Cal. Ya, these rookies must have spent 50% of their time stacking rocks.

Expeditions West: 2003 Rubicon Trail Tahoe GPS Map California CA

Those are Heeps. What the hell is the relevance to the present the discussion? And how did we let Shotts drag us down (once again) into an 80 v. 100 thread? This isn't even the 80 or 100 forum!!!

 

[dclee]

Blah blah blah.......you're blinded. There's ONE...OK, maybe ONE POINT FIVE reasons ONLY why a 100 doesn't fair as well on a trail like the Rubicon.

ONE: It's larger size
POINT FIVE: No 4-6" lifts available
THAT'S IT! Nothing else on the 100 limites it's sucess on a trail like the Rubi besides that.

Don't even bring up IFS or pictures of Tacoma's embarrasing SFA 80's could arise.

TWO: Low hanging lower A-arms like to get hung up in places where the SFA glides over with ease. One example of many: the big rock just past the first switchback going up Cadillac Hill, where it gets steep. Saw it in person.

Why not bring up the IFS? It's a liability on this type of trail.

 

[calstyl2]

You're waisting bandwidth, we will do this in a week or two again.........

 

[dclee]

It's the non-objective 80-nuts that seem to think they have the world's most capable wheeler that make me sick. That's just insane. The 80-series is far from that. Wranglers and Cherokees and Taco's can school them all day.

Well, they must get it from you, because your 100 apparently is the golden goose of wheelers. Nobody with an 80 (that I know of) has ever said that the 80 is better than a SWB truck on this type of trail. Please show where they have. You ask for people to back up the arguments all day long, but conveniently shut up when someone asks you the same.

But the 80 may be the best balanced of them all. It is capable, strong, reliable, easily repaired, and carries lots of people and gear. The SWB Heeps are only capable, they don't have those other qualities. So, on net, the 80 is a better value for many people.

 

[dclee]

You're waisting bandwidth, we will do this in a week or two again.........

I know, I just can't help myself...

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Jesus F'ing Christ!

Classy. Very classy.

Enjoy! I'm on vacation. MUD celebrates!