5.7 longevity

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I'm starting to think about replacing my wife's Sienna in a couple of years with a 200. I used to own a 100 that I deeply regret selling, and I currently drive a 1st gen Tundra that I really like. That said, I am very familiar with the 4.7 2UZ motor and how durable and long lived it is.

My question is whether the 5.7 in the newer Tundras and the 200s is proving to be as reliable and long lasting as the 2UZ. I'd have no problem buying a 100 with 200k miles on it, but my potential concern with getting a 200 in a couple years is that it has been such a low volume truck compared to the 100, and the depreciation is so slow that I'm more hesitant to drop 30-35k on a vehicle that may already have 100k miles.

When I bought my 100, it was 7 years old and had 101k miles, and I paid 16k. I don't see that type of pricing ever becoming realistic with the 200s.
 
I'm starting to think about replacing my wife's Sienna in a couple of years with a 200. I used to own a 100 that I deeply regret selling, and I currently drive a 1st gen Tundra that I really like. That said, I am very familiar with the 4.7 2UZ motor and how durable and long lived it is.

My question is whether the 5.7 in the newer Tundras and the 200s is proving to be as reliable and long lasting as the 2UZ. I'd have no problem buying a 100 with 200k miles on it, but my potential concern with getting a 200 in a couple years is that it has been such a low volume truck compared to the 100, and the depreciation is so slow that I'm more hesitant to drop 30-35k on a vehicle that may already have 100k miles.

When I bought my 100, it was 7 years old and had 101k miles, and I paid 16k. I don't see that type of pricing ever becoming realistic with the 200s.
I have both too, 200 is very reliable and very powerful, but the price difference is very significant too 45K for 200 and 25K for grate shape LX470
I'll go with LX470
 
Ok next question. There have always been rumors that the 4.7 used in the 100 has more robust internals than those used in the domestically produced Tundras. Forged vs cast I believe.

Any similar suspicions with the 200, or is the drivetrain identical to the Tundra?
 
I will chime in and get some flack here, but here goes:

The 5.7 is a great engine, but it may not be as robust or refined as the 2UZ. Again, it is a great engine; please do not accuse me of saying that it is not.

I know of a number of people with high-mileage 5.7s that are doing great (300,000 kms). I expect that if you take care of the engine, it will last a very very long time. Unfortunately, due to EPA regulations, as the engines continue to become more and more refined, they are hindered by more and more (what some of us might consider) unnecessary additions. The 5.7 is known to have a number somewhat small issues. Mine, for instance burns about a quart of oil every 5,000 miles. This is not a big deal, and according to Toyota, falls into the acceptable oil burning category. If you head over to the Tundra Forums, you can read many post from people who are getting clouds of blue smoke during cold starts. I will get the cloud every once in a while, but not too often. This is just a characteristic of the engine.

As I mentioned earlier, the engine is hindered with many EPA regulated additions that are designed to reduce emissions. There is an air pump, for example, that is designed to heat up the catalytic converter during a start-up that helps to reduce pollutants during a cold start. These pumps can become dirty, or contaminated with water vapor, requiring them to be replaced. Someone I know had to have theirs replaced to the tune of $2400. This is such a common occurrence, that there are even companies that are designing computer modules to fool the trucks computer into thinking everything is kosher. Otherwise, the truck will go into limp mode and become pretty worthless.

I also have just a little piston slap then the engine is cold. Again, check the Tundra Forums, and you will see others complaining about it too. Not a big deal, but again, there is always room for improvement.

The thing you have to keep in mind, it that the 200 Series is an extremely low production vehicle. I think I read that there are more Ferrari 458s in the US then there are 200s (not sure how accurate those numbers are though). Because it is so low, you are going to have very few people saying anything bad about them, because quite frankly, there just aren't enough vehicles out there to give a good cross section of data compared to the population. If you want answers, seek the Tundra/Sequoia Forums.

All that being said, I am extremely happy with my 200, and wouldn't trade it for anything (well, maybe a 458, but my wife would castrate me in my sleep for sure). People like to to make some big statements on this site, and will tell you that the 200 is the end-all-be-all greatest thing that has or will ever be made, when in reality, it is just a truck (an extremely well made, and most likely the best SUV in the county), that will be used as a stepping stone to bigger and better things in the future i.e. a 300 Series.

That is the way things work; a company releases a truck, and refines it into the next generation, and the next, and the next ad infinitum. You will see that in every forum you go to. I have found the 80 Series owners to be the worst, as they say that the 100 series was the death of the real land cruiser, though we all know the 100 was better in almost every single way, the same way the 200 is better than a 100 in every single way.

Ok, rant over.

:cheers:

Now get your 200 and enjoy the hell out of it. :D
 
The 200 series LC may not have sold in large numbers in the US and definitely hinders data collection, but there are a few more LX's rolling around too...

Consumer Reports, for what it's worth with respect to the cross section of vehicle owners we are, doesn't have reliability data to publish itself. It does indicate high ownership satisfaction with the LC though. It also had no Toyota or Lexus vehicles to avoid on its used car Lis to avoid, but I digress...

I would note, that the LC200 has sold in greater numbers elsewhere in the world (and granted, maybe not with high numbers of 5.7 motors, but they do sell them). I haven't heard much engine-related flack out there and arguably th rigs outside of North America lead a more challenging existence. Also, it's my understanding that the 200 Series' 5.7 is built in Japan, whereas the Tundra/Sequoia's is built in the States; it shouldn't matter, but I believe it does...

I agree that price-wise a 100 series is the way to go, but planned obsolescence vehicle marketing notwithstanding, you might enjoy the merits of a Land Cruiser with a fun power plant. I'd say if price isn't an issue give the 5.7 the benefit of the doubt. If Toyota submits to the current trend, the next generation could have a turbo six or run on vegetables or who knows what...
 
Agree with ms but I'm just glad we don't get all that epa crap here, my cats got blocked and had a massive loss of power when i figured out the problem stuck a metal rod down the exhaust and yanked them out. No warnings, no limp mode nothing from the o2 sensors. Over here though a 100 will outlive a 200 with the amount of parts and spare engines readily available to bring it back to life. With the proper maintanence a 200 should still be running fine by the time the 400 series comes out. I've got neighbours who bought an 80 and 100 series when brand new and they're still being daily driven to this day.
 
The 5.7 3UR-FE replacement long block engine for LC and Tundra is the same part number. There are no known differences at this point. There are many high mileage examples, especially in the Tundra. As Andrew mentions above, there are a couple issues, but they don't mess with the longevity of the engine.
 
That pump system you speak about Andrew that costs $2400. I had a run in with that part ( mine was a crimped hose) and it threw a code. I researched it and found out that if you wanted to save money you can unplug it and there'd be no issues ( performance, codes and so on) moving forward. Luckily I just straightened the hose out and was good to go. Guys on the tundra forum figured that one out for us.
 
I have two 5.7l and love them both. Gas suckers but pleasure to drive. Air pump issues are not encountered in California dry weather. On Tundra, Toyota extended the warranty for 10years. Water pumps also go bad on them. Keep an eye out on that.
 
I have two 5.7l and love them both. Gas suckers but pleasure to drive. Air pump issues are not encountered in California dry weather. On Tundra, Toyota extended the warranty for 10years. Water pumps also go bad on them. Keep an eye out on that.

Can confirm.....water pumps. They're a bitch to change but fairly straightforward. Look for the red stalagmites (or stalagtites) underneath pump or residue on skid plates.

I can also confirm examples (Tundra & Sequoia) approaching 200k miles running without incident.




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Can confirm.....water pumps. They're a bitch to change but fairly straightforward. Look for the red stalagmites (or stalagtites) underneath pump or residue on skid plates.

I can also confirm examples (Tundra & Sequoia) approaching 200k miles running without incident.




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From my research all of the water pump issues were with 2008-2009 models.
 
Keep in mind that even though the 200 has low sales figures (esp in the US) that the vehicle overall has gone through extensive operational testing throughout all continents and extremes. Not all manufacturers push the limits as they do to Land Cruisers. Even as a 2008 and with the 200 series in the 1st year of mass production, there were very few recalls, if any. Hence the reason for the vehicle holding its resale value.

I have 75k now on the 2008 LX570. Issues experienced in the past are:
-Leaking water pump at 65k - replaced under the Lexus powertrain warranty
-Leaking valve cover gaskets - replaced under Lexus powertrain warranty
-One front parking sonar broken

I usually refer to the Tundra forms for any issues as it has the same motor. If there are power train issues, the likely hood is high that it has already happened on those forums. I anticipate having to deal with the waterpump again in the future and possibly the airpump regarding emissions however, not a deal breaker for me. Mine does NOT burn a drop of oil although the valve cover gaskets still weep a trace of oil. Family and I drove to Florida and back last summer and put almost 10000 on the last oil change and I did not have to add any oil as it was still on "F" on the dipstick.

If you liked the 100 series, then you'll love the 200 series.

You might underestimate yourself as your Sienna probably has good resale value. Calculate the numbers to see if the 200 is within your financial boundaries.
 
The water pump seeping was/is somewhat of a brand and industry wide issue. The seals seep due to the newer coolants, and better seal materials have to be used.
 
Bday, I've seen a few posts on the Mud site and Tundra sites on the water pump issue with 2008-09 5.7's but none after those years. Why do you think you might have another water pump issue in the future?

Not sure if its isolated to 08-09', but I'm guessing failure is due to mileage/age, wear and tear. I certainly don't welcome the waterpump breaking, but I like to anticipate the failure by saving $$$ in the event something occurs - in this case, I'm budgeting around $1300 for Lexus to do it. At the rate I am with mileage and I putting only 10k miles/yr, I'm good for another 8+yrs. I like to be informed and keep an eye on things known to fail to minimize a cascade of failure of other components. There were two red flags that I noticed when the wp failed: coolant reservoir was lower than normal (added about a .5 cup of coolant every month) and crusty dried coolant around the pump. I did not experience any overheating or abnormal sounds.

And keep in mind that I'm the only one that I have read on this forum (to date) that has had a wp issue. So 1 out of X number of 200 series cruisers/LX's that post on this board is definitely low.

The water pump seeping was/is somewhat of a brand and industry wide issue. The seals seep due to the newer coolants, and better seal materials have to be used.

True, I've read waterpump failures on many boards (4runners, tundras, fj's), but oddly I have yet to read a waterpump fail on a 100 series which later models use the same SSL coolant.

Didn't want to focus too much on the waterpump, but instead just inform the group that the wp may fail and properly budget for maintenance costs.
 
Water pump issue on a 200
Vs 100 may also have to do with the 100 having a timing belt and the 200 having a chain. I replaced my water pump at the same interval as my timing belt on my 100 so it never had a chance to have an issue.
 
Water pump leaks are not really bad. One could delay it and monitor coolant level. Pump really needs to be changed when it starts to squeal. I have spoken to one Tundra owner he let it slide over 100k miles before replacing it.
 
So on the LX570 replacement of the water pump would be covered by the 6 year 70k mile warranty?? So if you do start to notice a leak from coolant disappearing or the formation of pink crusting, just have it replaced before the warranty expires. Can you see the pink crust without removing anything under the engine?
 
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