4Runner roof chop.....(was: Who wants to help me take my top off?)

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What? Oh, you thought I meant....NO... I mean the top on my 4Runner!! Sheesh!! Pervs.

So, I've been thinking of doing this for years, but couldn't bring myself to do it until now. After my latest flop, the driver's side rear pillar on Fort Knox is a bit tweaked. The tailgate window won't go all the way up, and a new piece of glass won't fit back in as it is. Is it unfixable? No. With some body work, it could be pulled back into shape so that a new glass could be installed, and the roof seam could be welded where it tore, but I'm getting a bit tired of replacing these windows. This is the 3rd time for the driver's side, and once on the passenger side. So, I'm thinking of a more permanent solution to keep from breaking the rear glass regularly.

The plan is to cut the roof off behind the rear doors and weld in another 4Runner tailgate behind the rear seats and move the D-pillar up to become part of the C-pillar. The end goal is something like this:

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Tomorrow, Johnny and I will be going to LKQ to try and harvest the tailgate and D-pillar from another 2nd Gen 4Runner to use. Hopefully we'll be able to get it done before the heat gets too bad!

I have also ordered an interior roll cage kit from 4xInnovations that hopefully will arrive in time to be welded in while the roof is off. I seem to be developing a habit of putting this truck in situations where it could (or does) go over, so I kinda want to be protected in case it happens again and it doesn't stop at 90*.

So....the plan is to perform the surgery the Saturday and Sunday of the weekend leading into July 4th. Hopefully, we'll be able to get it done on Saturday and Sunday so that we'll have the 4th off to celebrate! If we can, we'd also like to scrap Johnny's parts van that weekend, depending on how many people show up. To entice participation, I plan on providing beer and other beverages and smoking up some pork butts on the club smoker to keep the crew's energy up!

Please post here if you can make it. Many hands make light work! Did I mention the beer & pork? :)

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When: July 2nd & 3rd
Where: Johnny's House (PM Johnny or me for the address)

Right now, here's the basic list of what we're trying to accomplish:

Allen's 4Runner
- Removal of rear section of roof behind the c-pillar
- Installation of 4xinnovations interior roll cage
- Weld donor tailgate and d-pillar behind rear seats
- Seal up any gaps with sheet metal

Jerry's 80-Series (Jerry or Johnny, correct me if I'm missing anything here)
- Swap in newly built axles
- Sleeve LCA's and adjust length to correct pinion angle

Johnny's Parts Van (If we have time. If not, we'll do it another weekend)
- Scrap van and load on trailer to haul to junk yard.

So far, here's who I have coming:

Definite:
Allen D.
Johnny C.
Jerry D.
Alex C.
Joe M.

Maybe:
Stephen
Azn toyo
Tim B.

Small Possibility:
Meatball


So, as you can see, we really need some more folks to come, or else 2 things will happen:

1. It could be difficult to get the project done.
2. There will be quite a bit of leftover beer and pork!!!
 
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Allen, I will check with my social coordinator and if I can I will help.
 
Lots of pictures. :popcorn:
 
Heads up .... Steve may take that van home :D
 
:popcorn:
 
Can't wait to see this. Wish I lived closer!
 
Remember the old adage........

Measure 47 times, have a drink, measure 47 times again, cut
 
Shhhhhh, Allen suffers from Dyslexic Steering Syndrom (DSS)
Polite people don't discuss it :)
 
Is that rice at science Olympiad this year?

And here kids I'd like to demonstrate the comparison of lateral drag coefficients plus inertia and its dependency on speed and radius of turn of course taking into effect the unseen laws of mass and vector forces and the need to return to a stable energy equilibrium

Have you considered outriggers instead?
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Saw a 1st gen with soft top last night (couldn't get a picture but looked like this).

You should figure out how to go with a soft top. This looked really sweet
 


Got the donor tailgate & roof section at LKQ today. Glad we got done before it got really hot!

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^^^ man that's good stuff!!
 
Remember the old adage........

Measure 47 times, have a drink, measure 47 times again, cut

Absolutely. The more work we put into being careful with our cuts, the less clean-up work there will be after the new sections are welded in. I know we'll probably have to use some bondo to smooth things out, but I'd rather minimize that as much as possible.


Saw a 1st gen with soft top last night (couldn't get a picture but looked like this).

You should figure out how to go with a soft top. This looked really sweet

The 1st Gens are sweet. I've seen a 2nd Gen that was chopped, with a soft-top and it did turn out pretty awesome. I've thought about going that route in the past, but my 4Runner sits outside year-round, so I'd rather go with something a little more weather-resistant at this point.
 
So pumped!!! I'll be there :D

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We'll be adding another truck to the list for this HAMOM if we get enough people to come out. I've got the space, so why not?
 
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I'm still a little confused though. If you're constantly rolling onto your side and bashing your rear windows, wouldn't removing that entire section just remove what's been keeping you from rolling completely over? I mean, I get that removing smashed body panels will make it look better, but are you really helping the issue at all?
 
Well, I'm not really "constantly" rolling the truck. It has happened twice in the 20 years since I started wheeling it. The first time was 8 years ago. The second was a month ago.

I don't feel like either of the 2 times I've flopped the truck on its side, it was in any major danger of going all the way over. Both were fairly slow flops. Maybe the most recent time, but even then, I did end up flat on the driver's side after the rear tire slid in the mud during the 1st recovery attempt. Not that it can't happen, of course, but I think the number of situations where having a full wagon keeps you from continuing on over versus if you had a quad-cab pickup (what I'm essentially doing) are pretty rare.

Besides, I've broken out the side glass 2 other times in situations where rolling wasn't involved, or even really an eminent threat. I also can't count the # of times I've come VERY close to taking out the glass on trees or rocks or roots sticking out of the side of a bank, driving through tight trails. Basically, I'm tired of constantly worrying about busting out that rear glass, when I really have no need to have it there.

I would say that it will also help my center of gravity, not having the weight of the roof and glass back there, up high, but with also adding the roll cage, I'm not sure how much different the end result will be, except that at least the added weight is more centered in my wheelbase than where it is now. Of course, I've considered doing the cage before anyway, so having both the cage AND the roof/glass raises my COG even higher.
 
Gotcha. Didn't realize the broken glass situations were not rolling over. With you now.
 
Gotcha. Didn't realize the broken glass situations were not rolling over. With you now.

Well, half of the times I've actually broken the glass have been rolls, but countless other times I've come close to doing it just on tight trails.
 

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