Wrong again there Shottsky
35" tyres on landcrusier (6 Viewers)
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Really.....quesiton for ya. Help me to understand this......
A guy takes a stock 100 and slaps 315's on it. He turns the wheel and smack, the tire hits the fender. Next, he goes over a speed bump and smack, the tires hits the upper side of the wheel well.
OK, so he takes it to a shop. They T-bar the thing up 1.5". He goes driving. Seems OK on road. Seems OK over speed bumps. Then he goes off road and flexes his front end out and smack, that tire hits the fender again. CRAP!
He goes back to the shop pissed off because he almost tore his fender off. They T-bar it up another 1.25" to 2.75" lift. Works around town. Then he goes off road again. This time when he gets totally flexed out to his bumpstop there's NO contact. Woo hoo! Sucess! Leave the thing alone and enjoy.
So the money question...I'm on my front bumpstops in this picture. Full compression. Please don't tell me I am not. We checked this out as it was for the Off Road Magazine feature on my truck. I do not hit the fender and I have not changed bumpstops or done a body lift. Where am I wrong about this (or do I have the world's only 100 that can run 35's and not hit the fenders without body lifts and/or lowered bump stops)?
NEXT...CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO. You will see the 100 rocking on two wheels when Walt is tossing it around. You can see the stuffed wheels bouncing off their bumpstops. Even at the compressed point you can see my front wheel clears the fender. It reflects what my stills show. So can you explain this? And please don't say the front PS tire was not fully compressed (or hitting the bump stops).
Chiva Falls (80 vs 100 run with Walt) 4/08 UZJ100 - John Shotts (shottscruisers)'s Photos
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My .02, I hated the front end of my 100 with the t-bars cranked up to almost 3". The suspension maxed out frequently coming off things like simple speed bumps and made lovely noises.
Speed bumps do suck in the Hundy! Climbing the big hills you can get the same effect if you're hauling XXX. Sure does great crawling though!
So help everyone viewing and explain why the above scenario is wrong and deserves the Dead Horse. And then explain why my tires do not hit when compressed. We're interested in the answer. I sure am.
Thanks! You make my point!
Because you really dont wheel you just pose.
You still have not ever post a PICTURE of your front on its bump stop from the last time we went through this!
Like this
I don't bottom on every obstacle. But I can still bottom the the front tires into the fender liners on big hit/higher speed work, even with the 1/2" body lift (to be fair I have to work at it to get it the tires to bottom out/rub on full and hard compression on the inner fender). FWIW when I broke the front sway bar mount from the frame apart of our Utah trip this past spring I had to remove the front anti-sway bar. I immediately noticed the front suspension was easier to get to bottom out stage (tire rubbing on the fender/fender liner) without the additional limit/spring/resistance provided by the sway bar (on some types of higher speed bump hits). Eventually replacing the anti-sway bar resolved 80% of bumping the tire into the fender and/or fender liner due to bottoming of the front suspension on big hits.
Bottoming is a function of force applied. The only way to fully say a certain suspension won't bottom out into, the fender in this example, would be to remove the spring force and cycle the suspension so you fully know where the bottom of the wheel travel will go in relationship to fenders, etc. (the fender in this example). The OEM bump stop is rubber and therefore will allow a bit more over-travel/bottoming of the suspension in compression mode do to its relative hardness or lack of...
You may not be bottoming your front suspension simply because you are not inducing enough force to push the tire into the fender. Or you have very very firm/progressive compression valving on your shocks or you have an adjustable/aftermarket bump stop that prevents this from happening (this can also reside inside a shock). And lastly given identical vehicles but different tires of the same nominal size will yield slightly different results too do to the actual dimensional differences between tire brands and even models of the same brand.
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Because you really dont wheel you just pose.
You still have not ever post a PICTURE of your front on its bump stop from the last time we went through this!
Like this
OK...I'l take a picture for you.
But note...looking at a 100 when totally compressed (even your pic shows this), your bottom part of the lower arm is almost perfectly parallel to the ground. I have a ton of pics already like this.
OK...I'l take a picture for you.
But note...looking at a 100 when totally compressed (even your pic shows this), your bottom part of the lower arm is almost perfectly parallel to the ground. I have a ton of pics already like this.
Great and then we can put this to rest! Also get a picture at the same time showing your tire not into the fender because that is what this thread is all about
Yes, I follow you on all this. Many thanks!
Look, I know that when the front lower arm is on it's bump stop that the truck's at the same height as a stock Cruiser. I get this. That's why you say lift height doesn't matter regarding this topic and only bump stops or body lifts change it.
I also would bet that IF I did a high speed big dip that I might be able to scrape the wheel well like I did before. I have not done this in a LONG time though I believe your accessment.
I struggle with the Phil "fender" deal though. Bouncing off rocks, even while turning, stuffing, being way off camber and the like it just doesn't happen to me. Then, when I pose we see that the front is on the stops. I would think if force was a factor then maybe you and Phil have been squishing the bump stop. Do you know if those stops can squish?
The trouble there though is that Phil is "posed" in that pic of him rubbing the fender. Puzzling.Great and then we can put this to rest! Also get a picture at the same time showing your tire not into the fender because that is what this thread is all about
What do you think about the bump stops squishing themselves? I thought they were pretty solid though they might be more on the soft (compressionable) side. ???
<SNIP>I struggle with the Phil "fender" deal though. Bouncing off rocks, even while turning, stuffing, being way off camber and the like it just doesn't happen to me. Then, when I pose we see that the front is on the stops. I would think if force was a factor then maybe you and Phil have been squishing the bump stop. Do you know if those stops can squish?
The picture of the tire in the fender is not fully compressed! I can not turn the tire fully compressed.
That is why I argue the point.;p I ended up bump stopping the front a bunch to avoid damage from the tire. I still will argue that AHC moves more freely then non-AHC but I will save that for next time
I still will argue that AHC moves more freely then non-AHC but I will save that for next time
Never argued that! I'm sure it does (just like stock T-bars do vs OME). The travel is what we measured as being equal (AHC vs non-AHC).
Can you count it as travel if you cant make it to the bump stop?
Travel = Distance from touching bump stop to shock being fully extended measured at the same spot (at tire tread, at shock thread, at hub, at whatever).
Let me reword the question ...If you suspension is such that you cannot compress your suspension fully can it be counted as travel?
All movement is considered and measured as travel. If you can't reach the bumpstop then you will have less then you could (for whatever reason). On the 100 it's been measured numerous times at 7.5-inches.
