If you are going to pay someone to rebuild it just go buy a modern 5.3 out of the junkyard and have more HP in a reliable package. And be smog legal if you ever sell the truck or if your state starts checking (which they all will eventually)
Build 327 into fj60
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Sell the 327 to someone who might want one for a period correct engine. It's not nearly as good as a 350. I wouldn't waste the time and money to put it in a 60.
Better yet, get a 5.3 or 6.0.
Better yet, get a 5.3 or 6.0.
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I really really really don't want to put an engine with an ECU into it. I just want a new truck with old technology.
I'd build it myself but get the block and heads machined.
I don't understand. If a 327 is strong enough to drag race with why is it not strong enough for a landcruiser? It's not like the 350 is a Toyota engine or period correct.
I'd build it myself but get the block and heads machined.
I don't understand. If a 327 is strong enough to drag race with why is it not strong enough for a landcruiser? It's not like the 350 is a Toyota engine or period correct.
327 is a great revving motor, but is not a low end monster. Don't be afraid of the ECU. It really is not that hard. And your mileage and power will be better (as will longevity)
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I'm not afraid of the ECU I just don't want to deal with one.
I work in an electric motor shop that specializes in CNC & industrial automation motors. I'm a servo motor specialist. I work with encoders, sensors and variable frequency drives all day.
I work in an electric motor shop that specializes in CNC & industrial automation motors. I'm a servo motor specialist. I work with encoders, sensors and variable frequency drives all day.
It's obviously your cruiser and you can do whatever you want with it.
People are just telling you that there are better options out there for what will be the same amount of money.
People are just telling you that there are better options out there for what will be the same amount of money.
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Yeah I know. Sorry if I sounded like a jerk.
I should have said is that I've learned to appreciate low tech solutions.
But now you got me thinking about emissions. Illinois does have emissions/smog for OBD2/1996 and newer vehicles in Chicago, E Saint Louis and I believe Carbondale. But so far they only look for CEL and stored trouble codes. They don't do any dyno work like in Kalifornia.
Milage is important but as long as it's atleast similar to the 2F I'm good.
I should have said is that I've learned to appreciate low tech solutions.
But now you got me thinking about emissions. Illinois does have emissions/smog for OBD2/1996 and newer vehicles in Chicago, E Saint Louis and I believe Carbondale. But so far they only look for CEL and stored trouble codes. They don't do any dyno work like in Kalifornia.
Milage is important but as long as it's atleast similar to the 2F I'm good.
The 350 has better low end power, that's true. The big reasons I wouldn't use a 327 is the smaller bearings on the early ones and the lack of mounting holes on all of them. When I put a 327 in my 45 it was a late model one with the bigger bearings and I used Vortec heads so I could use a wider variety of accessory brackets.
I pulled it later for a 350 anyway.
Well, engine swaps are federal, and if not done according to the EPA, then not legal. The area you are in may not have emissions requirements, but that just means they do not test, not that it is legal. Most issues arise when you attempt to sell a vehicle that has been modified.
To some that is not a big deal at all. But I have seen it bite people in the azz as well..
close, but different in one very important way. The lack of holes in the fronts of the heads on the 327 really limits your accessory choices.
Other than that it's pretty close. I have a 327 in a 69 Camaro that has a 350 crank and pistons making it a 350 cid displacement, but without any external differences. They have the same bore, but different stroke.
If you'd like a 327 I have a set of double hump heads I'd love to sell.
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So it's basically on the honors system as far as non-tested vehicles go? Where can you find the regs?
I know some of the later 327's had accessory holes. The 68 truck motor I put in my cj5 had the holes. Mark where are you I would love to get my hands on another 327. To each his own as far as efi or not as I've had ( have ) both but simplicity is bliss. That impala ss motor may be worth some coin to the right guy restoring a car too.
PapsD, it sounds like it might be a good option for you depending on what machine work needs to be done. I would also check out summit racing, there are plenty of crate engines out there that are inexpensive.
Thanks Gumby, I believe the original question was regarding the adaptors that are available for a swap into an fj60 in that case the gen 1 blocks are the same, correct? It wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong. And you are correct in regards to the heads and accessories. If anyone wants to get rid of a 327 I will gladly take it off your hands, since a 67 nova is another project of mine.
Thanks Gumby, I believe the original question was regarding the adaptors that are available for a swap into an fj60 in that case the gen 1 blocks are the same, correct? It wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong. And you are correct in regards to the heads and accessories. If anyone wants to get rid of a 327 I will gladly take it off your hands, since a 67 nova is another project of mine.
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It it were me I'd build a 383 from a 350 block. You can carb it or put an aftermarket electronic fuel system on it. Personally I'll never go back to a carb. There is a reason you don't see them in a new car.
Consider ones options before jumping on the old school 327.
5.7 is a better starting point for a number of reasons. accessory drive is just one.... and yes it is a consideration and when you get stranded or something breaks....related to the front of the engine....its a good bit easier to find parts with a standard setup.
Yes I would walk away from the 327.... if it had the old school cylinder heads....without accessory bolt holes... because I know you'll end up chasing your but on misc crap, when its so easy to find a cheap 5.7 and start from there, with all the parts either v-belt drive or single belt drive.
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I was looking @ crate engines on summit, napa and jegs before the 327 fell into my lap. Which is still kind of my plan b.
I'm kind of thinking about other options now.
I was thinking about getting an old car after the 60 is done. If that's the case just rebuild the 2F and get the dizzy recurved and carb done and get a five speed. Keep it stock except for some 31x10.5's. But save the 327 for another project.
Another idea is to wait and buy my dad's suburban when he trades it off and use it as a donor vehicle. It runs but has a CEL on plus lots of interior electrical issues plus body issues. But has a vortech and a rebuilt trans. Make the 60 into a Frankentruck. SOA with 63" Chevy rear springs; rear springs from a 62 in front and full width axles on 38's. trade the 327 for Dana 60 front axle.
my original idea was to get the 327 and piece the rest of the drivetrain together in preparation for the resto. Do the restoration and build the engine myself. then do a bowhunt in a western state preferably CO to mix in some brewery tours. Run OME heavies and some 33x12.5 aggressive all terrains. keep the toyota axles but get a locker for the rear.
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Another possibility
Trade the 327 for a 4bt.
Trade the 327 for a 4bt.
If you can do that, let me in on the deal. I have a rebuilt 327 and would love a 4bt.
I think you're going to find a pretty big difference between them pricewise.
I think you're going to find a pretty big difference between them pricewise.
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Yeah I'm sure there is quite a price difference between them! Lol
diesel repairs are a little out of my price range too.