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I've had this Pig 21 years now. I think I'm on my 4th engine.
2F is dead, what are my options?
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In my garage.
I've had this Pig 21 years now. I think I'm on my 4th engine.
yea bearings are easy IMOP
meaning what? you can't build a engine that will stay togeather??
No. Meaning that I like to think I know my way around the inside of a Toyota straight six. The last engine I built, the engine that's been pushing my Pig for the last 4 years, I built just because I had 8 engines fall into my lap one summer. From a machine shop that wanted them gone. Sure, some blocks I traded away for beer, but I took a few apart and put one together.
Before that I built a '72 engine to run for a year while I built my '74 engine. I've never had an engine fail, I re-build them fun, before it is necessary.
And this most recent engine will tach 5.5K up a sandune at Pismo in 3rd low. And idle down to nuthin' and keep running on the Rubicon...I'm sure you've seen the video by now.
YouTube - fj55 having fun on the CON #2
So, yeah. I think bearings is an easy job.
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What's the ups and downs of the 2H versus the 1HZ or both versus a rebuilt 2F other than price? also the 3FE conversion kit?
Wiring and exhaust plumbing.
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so wiring and exhaust are differnet on the 2H and 1HZ? Is one superior to the other? I may just go crazy and get one of the two. Unless mine is salvageable for cheap. Any opinions on the 3f-efi swap?
Your cheapest thing is to buy a used 2F and install it.
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I'd just hate to spend any money to be back where I started, I'd rather spend more and make progress.
I got a used 55 in the 70,s that had been rolled and run without oil. End result I had to learn how to rebuild it because at 19 could not afford any other option. main and rods , oversized the pistions and never even pulled the engine did it in the truck, was a pain, but then drove that pig another 200,000. miles. You can do the essential rebuild it is easier than it looks. Get a good FSM and a friend or two with the specialtly parts hones etc if needed and re do. Will not cost anything like what your are stating, should be under 1200.00 for all the parts for a very complete rebuild. Just my .02
Go for it man, I've got a spare 2f with some stuff on it, I'll help you out a bit if you get in a rough spot. I've got some okay pushrods and new valve seals I don't need...
I took the 2F apart that had been run without any oil in the pan. This one was shut down and towed to the shop as soon as it started sounding funny. ZERO oil!! I found that the rod bearings had smeared on the crank but had not spun. The mains were fine and the cylinders and pistons were not scored. Cam and lifters are fine. Cam bearings were a little scored looking and installed wrong. I took it to the machine shop and he is going to be able to polish the rod journals. We are going with new rod, main, and cam bearings, a block cleaning, and reassembly. I'm going to shave the head .050 and tap/plug the oil port. With gaskets and misc., I should be out less than $500 and my time.
I have done several Chevy V-8 conversions on 40s and 55s. 2F all the way!
I have done several Chevy V-8 conversions on 40s and 55s. 2F all the way!
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Sweeeeeeeet news. Thanks guys for the heads up and help. I'd love to do it myself, but I'm out of the country for another few months. I have a great guy who usually helps me out and is a Toyota fanatic. I'll have him assess the damage and go from there. I started losing hope in the fact that it was salvageable, but I think after hearing your stories, I may be in luck. Anything I can do to create more power while I have it apart? Bigger pistons, etc? Thanks
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Thanks for the offer. I will keep that in mind. Thanks!!!
rover67
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i'd tear what you have apart first, then think about what's next. Like most have said, it may be an *easy* fix. I've rebuilt a few engines that ran low on oil and sometimes you can get away with a polished or machined crank and a new rod or two. But, if it is trash, I'd be tempted to gt a used 2f and call it a day. I gave my old one away when i did the swap.... that'd be by far the cheapest/quickest thing to do.
Cruiserdrew
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I would install a good running 2F and call it good. If not that, start with a good running 2F, and rebuild that. If your motor has been run without oil, or so little oil that it cooked, it's done. There seem to be lots of these around. I've bought a 3FE and a 2F in the last year, both working motors in good condition for $500 total. Don't stress on this. Just get the truck running and in motion and rebuild whatever you have at your leisure.
If you rebuild, a fresh rebuilt, balanced motor will run the rest of your life, think about that one for a heavy thought.
If you rebuild, a fresh rebuilt, balanced motor will run the rest of your life, think about that one for a heavy thought.
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Ok, sounds like a plan. I'll see what the damage is now, then decide. Anyone have any knowledge of swapping a 3F-EFI into a FJ60? I found that kit for $2500 with a running engine, or add $1000 and you get a fresh rebuilt 3F in the kit that mounts to your 4 speed. Also, if I go with a 2F what year should I try to find? I know there are small changes that might affect my 1987 FJ60 power steering, etc. Thanks
the 3FE will bolt right up to the stock 4 speed...
least that was my understanding...
shouldnt need any adapters. just an engine, harness, and ecu.....
least that was my understanding...
shouldnt need any adapters. just an engine, harness, and ecu.....
Cruiserdrew
On the way there
I'm pretty leary of "kits". Asief007 has made the 3FE swap into his 60 and it runs and drives well. I've been in his truck and it works. Send him a PM for info. I know of a couple of 3FEs in FJ40s, and the bolt up is good, but the wiring is a challenge. The 3FE I bought is 4 my 40 when I get around to it.
In this case, a 2F will work fine, and require nothing in the way of wiring or adapters. If I wanted a 3FE FJ60, I'd start with an FJ62 and swap in the drivetrain, and leave the motor alone. I think that's a better direction to go. I just bought an Fj62, and that's my plan.
In this case, a 2F will work fine, and require nothing in the way of wiring or adapters. If I wanted a 3FE FJ60, I'd start with an FJ62 and swap in the drivetrain, and leave the motor alone. I think that's a better direction to go. I just bought an Fj62, and that's my plan.
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If you have a FJ62 you may as well leave the 3FE like you said and swap in a 5 Speed. I bet that'd be a good combo. 5 Speed with the lower stock gears in the 62 and then having the fuel injection. It would be sweet.
