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I wasn't clear. That is exactly what I meant. It can certainly be done and it has been. If by some miracle (or by the vigilant work of a very good machinist) the flange on the header and The flange on the intake are the same thickness (+/- .001") the system will not leak if provided with equal clamping pressure. The original equipment intake/exhaust manifold also must be flat and the "ears" (the relief into which a washer sits where the studs and bolts pass into the head) should be checked with a micrometer to ensure they are the same thickness. But that happened once in a factory in Toyohashi, Japan so it is likely to be much closer to spec.

Also, there is no real performance benefit realized from a header on the 2F. Some might disagree, and there is the benefit of knowing you will not crack your intake manifold with hot exhaust gasses. But freezing the flapper in the diverted position or installing a block off plate between the two halves of the OEM I/E manifold ensures this also.

Short version: if I were in your shoes I would put the intake from the old F engine on the new 2F engine eventaully. Check it with a straight edge to be sure it is flat. Do the same with the head, get an oem toyota gasket, and torque it together. Unless you have an engine stand it would be safest and easiest to do that after you install it in the truck anyway.

It may be tempting to leave it as is because it is all together and ran just fine. I wouldn't blame you if you did. Come to think of it, just run it with the header for a while. If it works well...great. But dont get rid of the old engine and it's I/E manifold, carb, and down pipe. You may want them. They do swap directly.


Ok thanks so much for going into deeper detail so I could understand what you were saying. I will hold onto the old stuff for sure just in case. I will probably run it just as is but have to change the carb linkage to fit. Its really helpful hearing all of this so thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. I have a new set of engine mounts that I ordered so it would fit correct. The guy at spector told me that the brackets on the rear of the old F motor will work fine any thoughts on that ?
 
The mounts will work fine.

You can use the website below to search for part numbers. It helps sort out the years. You can just plug the parts numbers into your favorite search engine and check online prices. SOR is a good vendor, but can be expensive depending on your budget.


Racer65 has a good mount kit (and more)...

 
If you don't have an engine stand
Ok thanks so much for going into deeper detail so I could understand what you were saying. I will hold onto the old stuff for sure just in case. I will probably run it just as is but have to change the carb linkage to fit. Its really helpful hearing all of this so thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. I have a new set of engine mounts that I ordered so it would fit correct. The guy at spector told me that the brackets on the rear of the old F motor will work fine any thoughts on that ?
You've got a 4 speed if i remember correctly. Should bolt right up.

It is a good time to consider renewing your clutch, pilot bearing, rear main seal, and inspecting and lubing the clutch fork. Inspect the flywheel and get that surfaced if it looks funky.
 
If you don't have an engine stand

You've got a 4 speed if i remember correctly. Should bolt right up.

It is a good time to consider renewing your clutch, pilot bearing, rear main seal, and inspecting and lubing the clutch fork. Inspect the flywheel and get that surfaced if it looks funky.


The rear main was done not to long before I bought the engine and it came with a basicly brand new heavy duty clutch, pilot bearing, and flywheel. I will check out the clutch fork as the only one I have is off the F motor. now that I say that outloud maybe it wont be universal and I need a 2F clutch for ? really have no clue and yes to the 4 speed
 
The mounts will work fine.

You can use the website below to search for part numbers. It helps sort out the years. You can just plug the parts numbers into your favorite search engine and check online prices. SOR is a good vendor, but can be expensive depending on your budget.


Racer65 has a good mount kit (and more)...



Awesome thanks for the tips on looking this stuff up !
 
The mounts will work fine.

You can use the website below to search for part numbers. It helps sort out the years. You can just plug the parts numbers into your favorite search engine and check online prices. SOR is a good vendor, but can be expensive depending on your budget.


Racer65 has a good mount kit (and more)...

The mounts will work fine.

You can use the website below to search for part numbers. It helps sort out the years. You can just plug the parts numbers into your favorite search engine and check online prices. SOR is a good vendor, but can be expensive depending on your budget.


Racer65 has a good mount kit (and more)...


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this is what I ordered from SOR it was 90.00
 
The rear main was done not to long before I bought the engine and it came with a basicly brand new heavy duty clutch, pilot bearing, and flywheel. I will check out the clutch fork as the only one I have is off the F motor. now that I say that outloud maybe it wont be universal and I need a 2F clutch for ? really have no clue and yes to the 4 speed
The F engine clutch fork is made of stamped steel, the 2F is cast.
 
Are hey universal ? And is one preferred over the other ?
You have to match the clutch components. If you're using the F flywheel you need to use the 3-finger clutch, the 3-speed throwout bearing, the 3-speed clutch fork, the 3-speed clutch fork pivot, and the 3-speed clutch slave. The clutch disc itself is the same for the 3-speed and 4-speed.
 
All things being equal, I’d go with the later style just for added future proofing. Or to put it another way the older style works fine for a 2F, but no one retrofits the older style on a later model rig. When I priced it out, it was about the same for what I needed either way. Check Rock Auto for prices. In my thread linked above, you’ll see I moved the slave to the passenger side like Toyota did. Perhaps it was to get the clutch fluid away from the exhaust. Dunno. If you do that, you’ll need to fab a hard line from the master to the slave, or just get a used one from CruiserParts or the like. Did you get the 75 bell housing?

When dealing with the clutch, it is strongly recommended to replace the master and slave cylinders together.
 
The rear main was done not to long before I bought the engine and it came with a basicly brand new heavy duty clutch, pilot bearing, and flywheel. I will check out the clutch fork as the only one I have is off the F motor. now that I say that outloud maybe it wont be universal and I need a 2F clutch for ? really have no clue and yes to the 4 speed

I think you're good to go. Could you take some pics of the bellhousing?

You have to match the clutch components. If you're using the F flywheel you need to use the 3-finger clutch, the 3-speed throwout bearing, the 3-speed clutch fork, the 3-speed clutch fork pivot, and the 3-speed clutch slave. The clutch disc itself is the same for the 3-speed and 4-speed.

I think he has a 4 speed transmission and bell housing. I suspect he has removed the F145 engine...aka F-and-a-half. In any case....I have an F-and-half mated to a 3-speed in my '69. Bell housing has stamped fork, 3 finger clutch, etc.....it works. I think the 2F will mate right up.

Pics would help. Also, I might be totally off base with the above info.
 
I think you're good to go. Could you take some pics of the bellhousing?



I think he has a 4 speed transmission and bell housing. I suspect he has removed the F145 engine...aka F-and-a-half. In any case....I have an F-and-half mated to a 3-speed in my '69. Bell housing has stamped fork, 3 finger clutch, etc.....it works. I think the 2F will mate right up.

Pics would help. Also, I might be totally off base with the above info.

I’ll take some pics tonight of the bell housing and post it after work. I have a couple pics I’ll post.

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You probably have the late '74 (the title-year for these went to 12-1974) bell housing - it is not flat on the bottom. No compatibility issues with clutch, flywheel, etc.

I'd not consider those socket cap screws a good fit for the transmission.
 
^^^^Dizzy is Right^^^^

Good eye @Dizzy .

You want to get the proper fasteners there. Preferably Toyota fasteners.

90119-08332

I think thats the right part number. Verify that though. That's a toyotapartsdeal.com link.
 
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I'm pretty sure it's 91619-61235 for the transmission to bellhousing bolts.

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