2022 Tundra compared to 300 series (2 Viewers)
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n Japan they are somewhat cheaper, but so is a Corolla, $14k compared to $20k US, by the same % a Tundra would max out in the mid $40ks and the 300 is $72k.
Most of the rest of the world a new 300 is $100k.
For example. A new base 70 Ute in AUS is $60k US and the 300 GR is $110k and the in the middle East the 300 is bringing a premium and selling for $150k.
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The current gen Sequoia has IRS. The TNGA-F chassis on the 2022 Tundra and LC300 both have a 5 link, coil sprung live axle. Pretty much everyone agrees that the next gen Sequoia is using the TNGA platform. Most believe, including me, that Toyota will continue using IRS on the Sequoia. My question has been, how can that happen if they’re using a TNGA-F chassis designed for a 5 link, coil sprung live axle. With other comments being made that the TNGA platform isn’t a new chassis per se, but rather a design that let’s you bring a few variations of front/rear chassis’ together so as to lower building costs and increase the use of parts across many different vehicles. My thought has been that if that is indeed the case, the new Sequoia chassis will likely not be TNGA-F, but TNGA-(insert identifying letter for IRS variant of TNGA chassis).
High level trim current gen Tundras bring about double the $40K or close through resellers in Japan that import them themselves. I suspect added tax has a lot to do with that though.
Toyota won't sell the Tundra in Japan themselves though otherwise we would see RHD versions.
I’d write a check for that todayUnofficial Sequoia render:
The chassis is modular. They can make changes as appropriate to the use case. That same chassis works with leaf springs as well.
Ride quality for sure. This is why most heavy SUVs are going IRS.
And a huge increase in room behind the second row, allowing a roomy third row of seats to fold into the floor and still leave a lot of cargo room. The current Sequoia is very dated, but the storage and seating room is incredible.
I was going to chime in and say space, in addition to the on road ride. And to be fair, IRS can be pretty comfy on mild trails with a decent shock tune, proper spring rates, and geometry that is on point. The TRD Pro of the current Sequoia can scoot down a rutted fire road at a pretty good clip for a factory vehicle that can tow as much as it can, and there are plenty of side by sides and KoH buggies that also work some magical lines with IRS when they don't have the packaging constraints of a street driven vehicle.
That said, for a daily driven SUV or truck that you want to take offload, I would rather have a 5 linked solid rear axle than IRS (more articulation versus IRS packaged for a street driven truck, at least in every application I have seen to date).
Hey guys,
Ran into a 300 series today and a couple first impressions is one, it's a sharp vehicle up close, and two, its small. May have been my 2500 parked next to it, but even compared to our armored 200's. It seems small. With 4 adults, there is no room for gear.
With that being said, I will be interested in seeing how the sequoia turns out if, if it actually has a decent cargo area, I would be pick one up especially if they do a decent TRD pro build.
Ran into a 300 series today and a couple first impressions is one, it's a sharp vehicle up close, and two, its small. May have been my 2500 parked next to it, but even compared to our armored 200's. It seems small. With 4 adults, there is no room for gear.
With that being said, I will be interested in seeing how the sequoia turns out if, if it actually has a decent cargo area, I would be pick one up especially if they do a decent TRD pro build.
Yeah, just spent the last week riding around in my buddies 4x4 GMC 1500 double cab truck, it's not even 2 years old, has 20k miles on it, and already has a noticable "clunk" from the drive train when it shifts out of 1st gear, I have no idea what is causing that but it shouldn't be happening on a new truck. My LC has less clunk with 335k miles on it.
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That clunk is normal on those GMs.
It is amazing to see how many 6.2 eating parts still after all these years.
Jumping in here to respectfully disagree with this post...
4runner and Tundra sales are strong - 4runner sales are stronger than ever (well, peaked in 2018 but are still very strong), and both those platforms also use the long life-cycles that the Land Cruiser does. Although I agree, the long life cycles don't help, its not a precursor to slow sales.
Two points:
- The LX has been outselling the LC since the 100 series. So the idea most US buyers prefer the upscale nameplate when spending 75k+ isnt a new thing. I also dont find it outlandish.
- With all due respect to 200 owners, the truck looks bulbous, even with armor, and the pre-facelift front was a big miss. It has fairly soft lines, (soft wheel arches and the beltine is really pronounced and soft) softer than the 100 which was softer than the 80 before it, and the design team missed the mark with where the market was going with that. Wranglers and G wagons started blowing up in 2011-2013 or so, and Toyota couldn't do much with the design to save the 200 series sales. Conversely, Toyota hit one out of the park with the 4Runner facelift, giving it a stronger look and an aggressive front end the market loves. I owned a 5th gen. Great truck. But it didnt start selling 2-3 times as many units because it all of a sudden was a bigger Jeep competitor - it started selling more because the market loved how it looked.
I think its really unfortunate - because the 300 series is a boxier, stronger looking design with a belt line that is more reminiscent to the 100 series (to me) and I think would play fairly well in the US market (I think its going to look great with armor). I dont think it would explode in sales, but I think it would certainly do better than the 200 series. I'd buy one, and I have zero interest in replacing my 100 with a 200.
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Man that thing looks good, I want one.
Its the same size as a 200, for all intents and purposes. Same wheelbase, 1.5" shorter, .3" wider.
Every Land Cruiser since the 80 has had the same wheelbase.
Looks like the 2022 Tundra might make its way into Australian market also. I know for a fact that a few of them got shipped over there.
Toyota Tundra 2022: new full-size ute under study for Australia - Chasing Cars - https://www.chasingcars.com.au/news/future-cars/toyota-tundra-2022-new-full-size-ute-under-study-for-australia/
Toyota Tundra 2022: new full-size ute under study for Australia - Chasing Cars - https://www.chasingcars.com.au/news/future-cars/toyota-tundra-2022-new-full-size-ute-under-study-for-australia/
They are hitting the road hard in the tundra in the states. I saw 5 test mules on one pass I take when hitting the hills for work a few weeks back in summit county in CO. Last one I came by had a teenage kid driving it pulled of on the side of the road. Almost stopped to question him and look it over for info but had too many stops to make so kept going. they were all covered well so probably wouldn't have seen much.
Meh. It looks like the designers from Nissan (Frontier), GM (Sierra/Silverado) and Tundra all had drinks one night and said **** it let’s make the same truck and see who sells more. They’re identical on the outside.
