2020 LC and Crawl Control...check it.

[rusty87]

I'm not sure anyone actually uses Crawl Control here. I find the super low first gear of the 8 speed transmission pretty much negates the need for the slow speed Crawl Control, and I don't want to listen to the Crawl cacophony at the higher speeds. It might be useful on a 4runner with big tires and poorly geared 5 speed trans.

In typical TFL fashion, they made a mountain out of a mole hill with the Tacoma. That section doesn't look like anything that ATRAC on its own couldn't handle. The Ford Crawl system looks like a total disaster though.

 

[Eric Sarjeant]

@Eric Sarjeant

Have any of your 2020 Taco customers noticed this weird CRAWL behavior? Literally, it seems like Toyota neutered the crap out of it so that it is just a hill descent system, not an off-road tool. So far in the long thread, a member is going to have a regional person look at it...while others just get the usual...”working as intended.”

And of course, i am wondering if this neutered CRAWL has managed to spread to other Toyota vehicles, such as LC200?

News to me. I’ll have take a Taco demo for the next few weeks and fiddle around with it

 

[Madtiger]

This is just sad.......what did Toyota do to 2020 Tacoma?!




One member posted: “I did data logging using OBD Fusion following the same process I outlined above. Using my foot, it took around 4% relative throttle position to climb the wood blocks. With crawl control, it held the throttle consistent at around 2.5% relative throttle position. In total CC deactivated and released the throttle after 45 seconds.”

 

[kcruiser200]

tldr: Toyota knows that the Land Cruiser needs CarPlay and it is coming, but not probably not in 2021.

Toyota was late to the Android Auto / Apple CarPlay party. Toyota didn't want Google and Apple to be able suck up that valuable data about drivers. Toyota thought that they could compete with Entune -- yes, they were delusional.

A few years ago, Toyota realized that they were losing sales because of the lack of Android Auto and CarPlay, so they started adding it. But it required new head units, so they have been rolling it out, model by model, across their fleet for the last 2-3 years. It doesn't surprise me that the Land Cruiser, being low volume and overdue for replacement, is near or at the end of the list. The current rumor is that it still won't get CarPlay for 2021 -- so likely not until we get a 300 Series. That is a disappointment to me, but I understand Toyota's reasoning -- the volume of 200 Series left to be built just doesn't justify the engineering effort.

Thank you for the respectful response!!!

@bloc .. I want to be respectful, so I will not get into a rude argument. I was not comparing Jag and Toyota in general. I get it, Jag sucks in reliability. Toyotas in general do not. However, adding carplay is really not that big of an engineering feat. its a module and a code. I had a thought if, for someone that wants it, can it be retrofitted now that the Tundra has it ?? ON that note, I'll back off .... y'all wont hear a squeak of carplay related thing from my end. peace out!!

 

[kcruiser200]

This is just sad.......what did Toyota do to 2020 Tacoma?!




One member posted: “I did data logging using OBD Fusion following the same process I outlined above. Using my foot, it took around 4% relative throttle position to climb the wood blocks. With crawl control, it held the throttle consistent at around 2.5% relative throttle position. In total CC deactivated and released the throttle after 45 seconds.”

oh wow... that's pretty dramatic!!! would be interesting what @Eric Sarjeant finds... almost looks like its missing one or a few lines of code in there.... or as you say, neutered to the point of being useless...... hopefully , just limited to the tacoma. I don't think they will alter really anything on the LC given that it will likely be in its last year of production for 2021.

 

[bloc]

Thank you for the respectful response!!!

@bloc .. I want to be respectful, so I will not get into a rude argument. I was not comparing Jag and Toyota in general. I get it, Jag sucks in reliability. Toyotas in general do not. However, adding carplay is really not that big of an engineering feat. its a module and a code. I had a thought if, for someone that wants it, can it be retrofitted now that the Tundra has it ?? ON that note, I'll back off .... y'all wont hear a squeak of carplay related thing from my end. peace out!!

That’s the thing. It isn’t a module. It might be in jaguar, but in toyota it is the whole head unit. Two different manufacturers and their reliability differences underline their differing design philosophies. Tundra probably uses a completely different head unit (and with landcruiser build and testing standard tundra may not be up to the task) that got updated along with many other things.. And even if all they did was add carplay, they sell many times more tundras than 200s. It just isn’t worth the cost to them.

As for it likely being a different unit than the tundra.. I’ve had my whole nav system out. It bears little resemblance to the old DIN stereos. Just the dash parts (two chunks of expensive electronics, the screen and brain) are custom fit for the dash with special trim and mounts. Then you have amplifiers, a hard drive somewhere. If by some miracle the tundra stuff was easily adaptable I’m 100% sure toyota would have just done it, since so many people have been asking. @Eric Sarjeant would probably throw a party if they did!

 

[kcruiser200]

That’s the thing. It isn’t a module. It might be in jaguar, but in toyota it is the whole head unit. Two different manufacturers and their reliability differences underline their differing design philosophies. Tundra probably uses a completely different head unit (and with landcruiser build and testing standard tundra may not be up to the task) that got updated along with many other things.. And even if all they did was add carplay, they sell many times more tundras than 200s. It just isn’t worth the cost to them.

As for it likely being a different unit than the tundra.. I’ve had my whole nav system out. It bears little resemblance to the old DIN stereos. Just the dash parts (two chunks of expensive electronics, the screen and brain) are custom fit for the dash with special trim and mounts. Then you have amplifiers, a hard drive somewhere. If by some miracle the tundra stuff was easily adaptable I’m 100% sure toyota would have just done it, since so many people have been asking. @Eric Sarjeant would probably throw a party if they did!

that does make sense . Thx!

 

[M1911]

Thank you for the respectful response!!!

@bloc .. However, adding carplay is really not that big of an engineering feat. its a module and a code. I had a thought if, for someone that wants it, can it be retrofitted now that the Tundra has it ?? ON that note, I'll back off .... y'all wont hear a squeak of carplay related thing from my end. peace out!!

Some more modern head units can have CarPlay added, but not the Land Cruiser’s head unit. It is older and has HVAC functions integrated into it. So it isn’t as simple as buying a head unit off the shelf and slapping it in or slapping in a new module. It is an older version of Entune.

Since Toyota only sells 3000 Land Cruisers in the US per year and the 200 due to be replaced shortly, there aren’t many units over which to amortize the engineering cost.

Contrast that to the RAV4 which sells over 400,000 units per year in the US. With that large a production run, the cost of engineering per vehicle is small.

 

[TeCKis300]

I'm not sure anyone actually uses Crawl Control here. I find the super low first gear of the 8 speed transmission pretty much negates the need for the slow speed Crawl Control, and I don't want to listen to the Crawl cacophony at the higher speeds. It might be useful on a 4runner with big tires and poorly geared 5 speed trans.

In typical TFL fashion, they made a mountain out of a mole hill with the Tacoma. That section doesn't look like anything that ATRAC on its own couldn't handle. The Ford Crawl system looks like a total disaster though.

I do. And others here do too.

It's not the same as having a good crawl ratio. Nor is it the same as applying more skinny pedal, or brake pedal, manually. In most situations, several different strategies can work. CRAWL is a different tool.

CRAWL has the ability to meter power , control wheelspin, and brake each wheel individually. Vice applying it manually via the pedals that controls overall output to all wheels. It's a big distinction when in very compromising or low traction situations, and can allow the vehicle to pull out of situations that it won't otherwise be able to with other strategies. Including ATRAC for gas, and ABS for brake.

 

[M1911]

I've only used crawl control once. I was going up a shelf road in Colorado that was covered in large (> 8"), loose, rocks. I was having a bit of trouble maintaining even headway until I engaged crawl control. Then it went up very easily.

 

[Madtiger]

I've only used crawl control once. I was going up a shelf road in Colorado that was covered in large (> 8"), loose, rocks. I was having a bit of trouble maintaining even headway until I engaged crawl control. Then it went up very easily.

LOL...yeah, when i am using it, i feel like i am cheating...it makes things almost too easy....

 

[gaijin]

Seems to work OK on this 2020:
2020 LC in sand

You don't even have to be in the truck for it to work:
Crazy

 

[Moabbob]

I took my 2020 to an ORV Park today to test the crawl control. Works like it always has no issues what so ever. Went up hills worse than in the videos with no issues. Its an April production so I don't imagine it's changed.
Seems like a taco problem.