2013 LC200 w/ 285/70-17 BFG AT on TRD Wheels

[gaijin]

Thanks for the quick and thorough reply Gaijin!

Like you said, Ill probably just go with the rubber now, then see how much clearance I have in the garage before I do the lift.

Since the 285/65/18 is the same diameter as the 285/70/17, I guess it comes down to whether or not the appearance and ride quality with the taller sidewalls is worth investing it he 17" wheels. I assume you thought it was - anything that you think I should consider (aside from how good they look)?

Also - anyone know if the 32.7/ 32.8 BFG fits in the spare well underneath? I agree that the OEM would be fine for a spare, but would probably buy a matching spare if it fits.

You're very welcome - always happy to be able to help out

I bought the 17" TRD wheels and tires because I wanted two sets of wheels/tires - the stock wheels and tires for long road trips and the TRD/BFG combo for off-road and winter/snow driving.

If all you want is one set of wheels/tires for use under all circumstances, then I would put the BFG AT T/A's on your 18" wheels. This combo will work well on and off road.

The subject of whether a 285/70-17 or 285/65-18 full size spare will fit under the truck is an interesting one.

I recently purchased a 5th TRD/BFG tire/wheel set to use as a spare when off-roading. It was never my intention to mount it under the truck because, frankly, that is the last location I want to have to go to for a spare when I am off-road - it is a very inconvenient location. I intend to simply throw it in the back cargo area and strap it down when going off-road. This has the advantage of maintaining the stock spare tire should I ever need 2 spare tires.

But then I thought, why leave the full size TRD/BFG spare in the garage when I have the other 4 mounted? Why not just throw it under the truck in the stock spare tire location and then I will have a full size spare available should I need it when I am not off-road?

I took down the stock spare, measured the spare location and determined that the TRD/BFG should fit with no problem.

The problem came when I put my TRD wheel/tire combo under the truck in preparation for winching it up into position - the gizmo on the end of the chain that holds the spare tire in place DOES NOT FIT INTO THE OPENING IN THE TRD WHEEL!

So the TRD/BFG combo would most probably fit in the stock spare location if one could find a way around the attachment hardware at the end of the spare tire lifting chain.

So, my guess is that if you mount the 285/65-18 tires on all 5 of your stock wheels, the spare will most probably fit in the spare tire location under the truck and yopu can use all 5 tires when you rotate them.

Another option would be to purchase 4 TRD/BFG wheels/tires with the 285/70-17 tires and mount a 285/65-18 tire on your spare. This would, however, limit you to a 4 tire rotation scheme.

My best recommendation, however, is to leave the stock spare tire alone and mount the 285/65-18 tires on 4 of your stock wheels. Nothing wrong with a 4 tire rotation, and I have no problem using a stock size tire as an emergency spare.

HTH

 

[r3run33]

hello how are you guys with the brake calipers? no problems with them hitting the rims? are these rims a different offset?I know an australian version comes with that size rims but thought they may have different brake calipers or something; any issues??

 

[gaijin]

hello how are you guys with the brake calipers? no problems with them hitting the rims? are these rims a different offset?I know an australian version comes with that size rims but thought they may have different brake calipers or something; any issues??

No issues at all

 

[bjowett]

These 17" wheels are designed to fit over the even larger Tundra brakes, so clearing the LC brakes is no issue, as mentioned above.

 

[Retired 0369]

You're very welcome - always happy to be able to help out

I bought the 17" TRD wheels and tires because I wanted two sets of wheels/tires - the stock wheels and tires for long road trips and the TRD/BFG combo for off-road and winter/snow driving.

If all you want is one set of wheels/tires for use under all circumstances, then I would put the BFG AT T/A's on your 18" wheels. This combo will work well on and off road.

The subject of whether a 285/70-17 or 285/65-18 full size spare will fit under the truck is an interesting one.

I recently purchased a 5th TRD/BFG tire/wheel set to use as a spare when off-roading. It was never my intention to mount it under the truck because, frankly, that is the last location I want to have to go to for a spare when I am off-road - it is a very inconvenient location. I intend to simply throw it in the back cargo area and strap it down when going off-road. This has the advantage of maintaining the stock spare tire should I ever need 2 spare tires.

But then I thought, why leave the full size TRD/BFG spare in the garage when I have the other 4 mounted? Why not just throw it under the truck in the stock spare tire location and then I will have a full size spare available should I need it when I am not off-road?

I took down the stock spare, measured the spare location and determined that the TRD/BFG should fit with no problem.

The problem came when I put my TRD wheel/tire combo under the truck in preparation for winching it up into position - the gizmo on the end of the chain that holds the spare tire in place DOES NOT FIT INTO THE OPENING IN THE TRD WHEEL!

So the TRD/BFG combo would most probably fit in the stock spare location if one could find a way around the attachment hardware at the end of the spare tire lifting chain.

So, my guess is that if you mount the 285/65-18 tires on all 5 of your stock wheels, the spare will most probably fit in the spare tire location under the truck and yopu can use all 5 tires when you rotate them.

Another option would be to purchase 4 TRD/BFG wheels/tires with the 285/70-17 tires and mount a 285/65-18 tire on your spare. This would, however, limit you to a 4 tire rotation scheme.

My best recommendation, however, is to leave the stock spare tire alone and mount the 285/65-18 tires on 4 of your stock wheels. Nothing wrong with a 4 tire rotation, and I have no problem using a stock size tire as an emergency spare.

HTH

Thanks again for all the info Gaijin!

jml

 

[pdxlc200]

I took down the stock spare, measured the spare location and determined that the TRD/BFG should fit with no problem.

The problem came when I put my TRD wheel/tire combo under the truck in preparation for winching it up into position - the gizmo on the end of the chain that holds the spare tire in place DOES NOT FIT INTO THE OPENING IN THE TRD WHEEL!


Yep, just had the same experience!

I actually cut the chain to see if the attachment fit the back side of the TRD RW wheel... and it does perfectly. So in other words, if we could just thread the attachment at the end of the chain through the hole, it fits like a glove on the backside of the tire.

Guess it's time to get that rear tire swing out or get a custom attachment made for the wheel. They do look great though!

 

[doanlaw]

My 285/65/18 fits under there with no issue, fwiw.

2011 CA Cruiser with Fox 2.5 CO front, OME springs and Fox shocks Rear

 

[MeWantLC]

Hi all,

Is there a size for GoodYear Duratracs with the stock LC200 wheels? That I can fit without any lift?

Thanks !!!

 

[jwestpro]

Hi all,

Is there a size for GoodYear Duratracs with the stock LC200 wheels? That I can fit without any lift?

Thanks !!!

Yes, there is. 275/65x18 will fit great. This is a 32" tire and not too wide, though wider than stock and the design looks wider than the tread measures so you get a great look without any compromises.

I had them briefly on my lr3 and they more or less "fit" but I have much, much, tighter clearances than the LC200. I can really only use the BFG 265/65x18 31.5" tire without issue or modifying.

consider for comparison that people use the BFG 285/65x18, the 275/65x18 is slightly smaller so will fit just fine on a stock LC200.

 

[kreiten]

Yes, there is. 275/65x18 will fit great. This is a 32" tire and not too wide, though wider than stock and the design looks wider than the tread measures so you get a great look without any compromises.

I had them briefly on my lr3 and they more or less "fit" but I have much, much, tighter clearances than the LC200. I can really only use the BFG 265/65x18 31.5" tire without issue or modifying.

consider for comparison that people use the BFG 285/65x18, the 275/65x18 is slightly smaller so will fit just fine on a stock LC200.

now i'm getting gready and I"m wondering if the 295/65R18 Duratrak will fit on a stock rig with no rubbing? anyone try it?

 

[MeWantLC]

Yes, there is. 275/65x18 will fit great. This is a 32" tire and not too wide, though wider than stock and the design looks wider than the tread measures so you get a great look without any compromises.

I had them briefly on my lr3 and they more or less "fit" but I have much, much, tighter clearances than the LC200. I can really only use the BFG 265/65x18 31.5" tire without issue or modifying.

consider for comparison that people use the BFG 285/65x18, the 275/65x18 is slightly smaller so will fit just fine on a stock LC200.

now i'm getting gready and I"m wondering if the 295/65R18 Duratrak will fit on a stock rig with no rubbing? anyone try it?

Thank you all.

I now know that on paper for 275/70-18:

BFG All-Terrain T/A® KO: Diameter: 33.2 Width: 11 (on 8" rim).
Nitto Terra Grappler: Diameter: 33.27 Width: 10.94
Discoverer S/T MAXX™: Diameter: 33.4 Width: 11.05
Duratrac: Diameter: 33.4 Width: 11.00

They all should fit, if one wants to read: https://forum.ih8mud.com/200-series-cruisers/732990-new-tires-stock-lc200-275-70-18-a.html

So, the 295/65-18 is just a little bit (by a hair) shorter than the 275-70-18 and about 0.80mm wider...therefore, they should fit !

Hope this helps!

Get them, and let us know please !!!

 

[Mago]

Gaijin,

Do you need to remove the beadlock ring every time you remove/install the tire? Thanks.

 

[jwestpro]

So, the 295/65-18 is just a little bit (by a hair) shorter than the 275-70-18 and about 0.80mm wider...therefore, they should fit !

Hope this helps!

Get them, and let us know please !!!

No, they should not fit due to the +.8. Additionally, some tires are different widths based on tread design for the same "sizes"

You seem to be missing the more important limitation which is the width clearance at your upper control arm (known as UCA on the forums).

I am almost certain your will be right at rubbing the arms with a 295 on stock 18" wheels without spacers and the required spacers would then put the tire into rubbing at various turn angles. Whatever you see for clearance at standard ride height will decrease as the wheel drops, as in during offroading due to the geometry bringing the top of the wheel tighter to the UCA.

 

[jwestpro]

Aside from all this want for FAT tires (trust me, I WANT them too!) stock wheels are only 8" wide. A bloated out tire that is too wide for an 8" is going to handle like s*** as well as be less responsive and predictable (meaning both UNsafe and annoying) during quick maneuvers which will induce a rollover sooner than on properly matched tire.

The IDEAL proportion for an 8" x18" rim is really in the range of 265/70, 265/65, 275/65, 275/70 and 285/65 at the limit. 295, especially combined with the shorter 65 is really getting fat on an 8".

Now, we should all know by now that if it's important enough to you, then step up and do it the right way with wider wheels like 9"-10" and of course correct offset to accommodate it all without spacers.

For wider everything combination, look up Therok's 200. Aftermarket wider wheels, offset to allow wider tires, etc. His lift allows more room though too.

 

[THEROK]

Jwest speaks the truth. Just look up the tire manu website. Toyo eg has width recs for every at tire size they sell.

I took it out to Joshua tree this last weekend. I don't use my truck for rock crawling but use it as a tool to get out of the city while enjoying both the driving dynamic and aesthetic.

go narrow like you are if you're into the technical stuff.

Uca is a must even if you clear just fine. Stock arms limit caster with a typical lift which means your truck will drive like a golf cart at hwy speeds.

 

[gaijin]

Gaijin,

Do you need to remove the beadlock ring every time you remove/install the tire? Thanks.

The "beadlock ring" (actually a valve stem protection ring according to Toyota) does not have to be removed if removing the entire wheel/tire combo from the rig. It does have to be removed, however, if you are removing the tire from the wheel - and then replaced after a new tire is mounted. It is important to balance the wheel/tire combo with the protection ring mounted.

HTH

 

[Cfbrenton1]

Thanks for the link on the Wheels.

I am working on putting together something similar.
I am thinking I want to stay with the P-metric class (4-ply) tire to try and maintain current fuel economy and a smooth ride, possibly could turn out even smoother riding then the OEM tires since there will be at least 2"s more side wall .

This is the Tire I am looking at, same demnsional spec as the LT-ATKO
Size: P285/70R17
Sidewall Style: Outlined White Letters
Serv. Desc: 117T Load Index 117 = 2892lbs (1315kg) per tire
Speed Rating “T” = 118mph (190kph)
UTQG: Treadwear: 480
Traction: A
Temperature: B480 A B

I have made upgrades like this in the past to other vehichles, and generally a LT 10ply Load range E, can be a bit on the rough side, for comfort, and the added weight of a 10ply tire (rotating mass) can reduce on road performance and fuel mileage. Also some TPMS systems trip pressure warrnings for to much pressure as well as to low. A load range E has a very high recomended pressure range. These are typically a 3/4-1ton truck tires, designed to run 50-80psi for carring heavy loads. A 10plytire can be good for extream offroading do to the heavy ply's are more puncture resistant.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret...ack.com||S|b|6698650813&techid=55&index.jsp=&

I had those tires ^ and hated them. Replaced them after 5k miles and one snow storm.

 

[Cfbrenton1]

They are both BFG's which is a premium brand. Michelins is premium brand, but I think you pay about as much for the name as anything these days. I was't saying the tire I posted was better then the ATKO.
Just an alternative for someone looking to accomplish a similar look without the on road drawbacks of the ATKO. If your planning to to much major offroading in your LC, the ATKO is the better tire.
I know all about BFG ATKO's, I have had them on many different trucks over the years, It is and has been a tire of preffernce of mine for many years for certan applications. I had them on a Tahoe, and 6 different GM 1/2 ton and 3/4 pickups, I had then on an Excursion, a couple different F250s.

The only point I was trying to make was, that if someone was wanting to do this upgrade more for looks, as I am, and less for hard core offorad function, the tire I was mentioning would maybe, be a better choice for similar looks, with better on road function. Every load range E 10ply I have ever had including MIchelin, Firestone, and BFG ATKOs have a real penalty in on road ride quality if aired to propper recomended pressures for a load range E 10 ply tire 50-80PSI.

I found worse on-road performance, especially in the snow. I have always driven on my KOs with 40 or less psi without any problems.

 

[jwestpro]

That's really sort of a misleading label, at least to me, since a LT tire can be load range C,D,or E, all of which are designed for vastly different pressures. Load range C is generally very similar or the same as a P-metric, a load range D is generally 45-65psi then Es go typically 65-80psi. I have never herd of a load range E with a recomended psi in the 40s. 50s really wouldnt scare me, a lot of tire experts would probably disagree, and say 60 is the minimum others might say 50s is fine on a SUV, I would imagine most would say 46 is too low for a load range E.



Here is debate on a tundra forum about psi on load range e.
http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tu...e-e-tires-what-tire-pressure-you-runngin.html

It seems like you are assuming that all applications of one tire size and load range should get the same PSI. This is not true at all. The psi needed is determined by the load being carried. Then from the ideal psi one may make slight adjustments. A load range E tire is perfectly fine running at lower than 50 psi....! However, your P metric tire is not going to do well overloaded or overinflated.

In another post you mentioned the BFG ATKO being overkill. Sure, for many uses it would be so if that's the case here, then I certainly do not see the other BFG Rugged Terrain being much better if you care at all about fuel economy or ride comfort. A better tire I think for what you are describing is one I've started using, after much research and discussions with many people using it, is the Michelin LTX M/S 2. In fact changing from my BFG ATKO, my fuel economy increased by more than 10% and the sound from the tires reduced by a very obvious amount. Additionally they have much better on road traction than the BFG RT you posted, both on dry and more importantly, wet, slippery, and snow. It's a 10 ply tire but is much more compliant feeling than the BFG.

About your liking the 17" wheels, yes, they're pretty cool but what's the point with your aforementioned priorities? You don't need any extra sidewall and will gain plenty more on the stock 18" wheels with the larger new tire size. 275/70x18 would be perfect.

 

[jwestpro]

I had those tires ^ and hated them. Replaced them after 5k miles and one snow storm.

That RT tread looks pretty scary for any snow at all. Aftermarket siping of the BFG ATKO helps increase their traction on snow a little more.