2007 Toyota Trail Team - thots?

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As more and more people get them I'd like to see some "training" events where the FJ TT go out and teach folks how to wheel, how to spot, what stuff to carry etc.

BTW - The TT made the difference in my buying one. Drove it home tonight. Titanium auto with all the goodies. :cheers: :cheers:
 
I enjoyed their presence at CM. Loaning us the big screen for video and photos was very cool. Plus the BBQ and FJ Cruiser Leathermans etc... were welcome surprises too. I did send Toyota a thank you card. I've never had the opportunity to wheel with one yet. I just picked too difficult of trails for the time I was there. I think they were looking for more of mainstream crowd.

I'm sold on the drivetrain. I cannot stand the body though. Visibility is the issue. Having a small child who wants to see the adventure means something with bigger rear windows. I think the FJ drivetrain in a 4 Door Taco would be a hot set up. I'm impressed with the ATRAC (lots of video and first hand accounts at CM).

I'm not sure the direction Toyota should go with the Trail Team idea. I think TLCA already has a fine set of events and although I've never been to a TTORA event they sound equally as much fun. So Toyota sponsoring events doesn't really fill a void unless they stepped up and helped the TLCA events. But creating their own new events seems silly. I think the Trail Team marketing idea works because it lets Toyota do off road stuff without it being in the mainstream. In other words, they aren't pissing off the environazi driving Echo and Prius owners by showing support for the 4wd community. The cardboard fold outs have to go. They are just annoying in all of the magazines I read.

In general, Toyota is not making the vehicles I want right now. I would love to buy a V6 manual transmission Camry instead I'm driving a VW Passat to get the manual. I like the 4Runner but it needs more headroom for me. I also like the Tundra but it is priced more than a MegaCab Dodge Cummins and if I'm going to spend that much I want to be able to load up horses, old Land Cruisers, campers, etc... and pull them up the mountain. I like the 4 Door Taco a lot, but at over 30k they are more than the aforementioned Dodge Diesel. Not too many heater and key Tacos are produced either. A regular cab 4wd 4 cylinder 5 speed with manual hubs is high on my want list. Simplicity! I've been holding back, I'm waiting for Toyota to enter the diesel truck market in the US. With the low sulfar fuel becoming available it should happen.

Another gripe I have is the dealerships selling Toyotas. My local dealership is also a Jeep dealership at the same location. I went in to buy a used 80 and the salesman tried talking me into a new Jeep Grand Cherokee. And their service depts in general suck. Some of the highest quality vehicles in the world but some of the crappiest dealerships.
 
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"...I think the Trail Team marketing idea works because it lets Toyota do off road stuff without it being in the mainstream. In other words, they aren't pissing off the environazi driving Echo and Prius owners by showing support for the 4wd community.....".

This is the problem that we have in within our
so called 'community' that doesn't actually exist.

We're either pissing and moaning about what the greenies do or say without any intelligent discussion as to what it might take to make that problem more manageable through our own efforts involving personal responsibility(cash) or shaming/pushing bad actors within our ranks into law enforcement's hands....or we are sauggesting (above) that corporate America should support responsible wheeling only in the shadows like we're all some kind of lepors or something.

The Trail Team's sponsors had(have) a golden opportunity to bring something fresh and new into the "mainstream" area of organized wheeling. Please don't discourage them from passing up a golden opportunity that the fledgling side-by-side 'community' had/has (finally being able to introduce the young, old and disabled to the outdoors) because they were pc-correctly scared of a 'fight'. We need an FJ or even Toyota-wide related group to fianlly START pushing issues like pay-to-play; all-encompassing unity and no-nonsense enforcement into the mainstream of our sport. And if anybody believes that a corporation can't or shouldn't be doing this...then quit supporting those within your own 'community' who have been playing lip-service to those very same ideals for decades now and little else.

Footnote:
We have this same damn problem in the orv community regarding our national leaders and their buddies in the motorcycling community. These cyclists continually sneak around behind everybody's back presenting "our impact vs theirs" proposal-related arguments and constantly close down large areas to wheel for nobody but their damn arrogant selves...yet every damn one of these national organizational leaders act as if the vast majority of us orv owners should go off in some 'corner' to talk about it! ("You can't talk about so and so in the AMA! Why....his wife and mine had drinks by the hotel pool together when we wrote off that entire vacation/off-road convention together!).

It's a mess, folks....and the very people hoping/praying that you send them in money every year; but NOT ask to many damn questions concerning their positions affecting our largest trail systems....are right in the "p.c/non-profit" middle of it.
 
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I haven't been to a FJCTT event so please keep that in mind. It seems from the FJCforum most owners of the FJC are newbies to off roading and thus don't know right from wrong. It would be nice if the FJCTTs made tread lightly a much bigger presence at the events. The newbies are impressionable at this stage and I think it would benefit everyone if the teams gave a presentation on what we're up against and what needs to be done to protect our sport.
 
Gumby, congrats on the purchase of your FJC!

Robinhood4x4, good point. As the tour has progressed we have noticed more owners showing up at events. This has presented a great opportunity for riding along with new owners and trying to embrace the newbies into the responsible 4X4 community. This has consitently been well received, as most new owners want to be as careful as possible with their new vehicles (especially if they are still making payments). I do think that a component of instruction could be integrated into next year's tour, particularly given the larger percentage of FJC owners there will be.
 
Overall do you feel that the FJCTT enhanced the events you attended, why/whynot?

Our approach has been to try to compliment the events we attend and not to dominate. When we can we help out with the equipment and expertise we have.
The FJCTT definately enhanced the Tall Corn event. They were not over bearing and were more then willing to help the event run smoothly. I enjoyed time on the trails with them as well as socializing after the sun went down. The gifts were nice too. ;)
I'm curious to see what Toyota has in mind for next year. Perhaps you can offer some thoughts.
I would certainly like to see something very similar to what has been done this year. I think the biggest thing is for "we offroader's" to see that Toyota is supporting something that we enjoy doing with Toyota vehicles. I would like to see Toyota get more involved in land acquistition and supporting keeping current trails open. This may mean that Toyota do a "responsible wheeling program/campaign". I know here in Iowa there isn't any public land to wheel on. We still have people offroading illegally. Some just don't know any better and some just don't care. Keep up the good work FJCTT's and Toyota.

Kurt
 
Seems to me that Toyota would do well to hire Robbie full time and send him around the country putting on schools and leading runs...ala Bill Burke.
 
I haven't been to a FJCTT event so please keep that in mind. It seems from the FJCforum most owners of the FJC are newbies to off roading and thus don't know right from wrong. It would be nice if the FJCTTs made tread lightly a much bigger presence at the events. The newbies are impressionable at this stage and I think it would benefit everyone if the teams gave a presentation on what we're up against and what needs to be done to protect our sport.

For 2007 a "school" of sorts is a fantastic idea for the TT. Through fjcruiserforum we (my brother - dankunz on here) and I got together with some newbies and took them out for their first run and they have caught the bug. Now they are members of TLCA, Georgia Cruisers (voted in last night) and are wheeling at least twice a month in their brand new FJC's.

But I also see posts on there about people going out and sticking themselves in some beautiful swamps, tearing over sand dunes, and other such environmental no-no's. I think that more 4-wheelin' instruction, etiquitte, etc. would be great to showcase along with the trucks.
 
I would be happy to teach classes :)
 
We can debate the whole environmentalist and marketing thing somewhere else. I completely understand them wanting to watch their backs and maintain a neutral ground. They aren't going to be the biggest car company in the world by stupid marketing.

I'm excited that Toyota has stepped forward and at least done this much. Never before have they supported the 4wd community like they have with the FJ Trail Team. I'm a realist when it comes to things and I'm happy they did it. I hope they continue to do it, bigger would be better but I'd be happy with a continuous support like they are currently putting forth.
 
The Trail Team folk were absolutely fantastic at the Flat Nasty. I know their job is to put people behind the wheel but they went above and beyond that. Robbie gave a quick meeting after a run to discuss a few things and I gained some invaluable information.

For me, I would like to see them add some teaching in with the wheeling. Proper winching. Different ways to use a high lift and use it safely, Trail ettiquette, etc etc. TORT= Toyota Off Road Training.

Buck Buchanan
 
Come to Michigan!

Sand dunes. Little hills. Bigger hills. Don't make me contemplate driving 8 hours each way! PLEASE!

That said, what a great concept, and, from these posts here and other threads, job well done! Just do it again (more) next year!
 
I've wheeled with the FJC Trail Team twice this year -- Cruise Moab and Rubithon. I think they enhanced both events. Looking forward to seeing them at the Cruiser Crawl.

Chris, enjoy your face time in Trails.... :D

TJK
 
This weekend we had about 15 FJ's at the event in Moab. On Friday it poured rain all day. We ran Hell's Revenge and had a blast! At one point we were actually driving through a flash flood just before Tip Over Challange.

Anyway, we were able to encourage many owners to take some lines they wouldn't have tried otherwise, like Hell's Gate in the rain. Having the Trail Team there gave owners a lot of confidence that we would help them get through whatever came their way. I think this fact will be even more apparent next year when there are more FJ owners out on the trails.

It has been an enjoyable evolution to see the amount of FJ owners on the trails increase as this tour goes on. Props to these people who are out there 'wheeling their brand new FJ's. Most of them aren't even paid off yet. Having the Trail Teams at events helps them to fully understand how capable their vehicles are and ensure safety and success in the process. This weekend made that really apparant to us. I am really thankful for the opportunity to take part in this dynamic and hope to see this continue as more people become proud FJ Cruiser owners.
 
What was the event?

TJK

(I was at your avatar.... :D )

It was a TTORA get together in moab this last weekend. We wheeled those FJ's
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I for one want to thank the Trail Team for a great weekend. Like they said, we wheeled the hell out of Hells Revenge and Poison Spider. It was great having the TT there to help the newbees. I am sure all of us learned something from them. I know I did things I wouldn't have without them. Hey guys how did Moab Rim go? Maybe I will do that one next time.

mike
 
Thanks for all of the feedback. We are looking forward to next year and don't know what exactly we will be doing yet. Your feedback is important to us as you have been out with us and can help us make next year even better. I love the class idea, so many people these days have no understanding about environmentally freindly wheeling. We are certainly advocates of Tread Lightly and wheeling with the future of off roading in mind. If we can educate people as they come into the sport we will prolong the life of our sport.

Thanks again for all of the kind words and great feedback. Keep it up!

Cheers,

Tim
 
Well put Tim.

Mike, Moab Rim was sweeeet! We missed you there. You guys made it a great birthday weekend for me.
 

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