200 reliabity compared to 100?

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i have an 06 w 187k that i love.
I have a 14 w 37k that I like. Not totally sold on the 200 series. A little too posh, drives like a much bigger car than the 100 series (my wife barely will drive it and she loved the 100 it was her only truck for 4 years). Hard to imagine just jumping into it with muddy feet and throwing a rifle across the rear seats. Deciding what to do next. Keep 200 and sell high mikeage 100, sell both and get low mileage 100, etc. My question is to guys that have owned both, how do long term maintenance and repairs compare?
 
It sounds like your own hesitation that’s holding you back. My 200 (LX variant) drives across pasture right to my fishing spot, through unmanaged roads in Arkansas to my fly fishing spot, and to campgrounds. That’s with poles, rifles; and muddy feet. It handles better than my 100 did and has more power to boot.

Don’t let personal bias get in the way of you enjoying something. Give it a chance
 
I had a 13 sold it with 90k only ever changed engine oil, diff and transfer case oil, 1 battery, all 4 brakes and 4 sets of wiper blades other than that it was perfect.... I had 4 100 series and 1 that had 275,000 miles when sold. I currently own a 2005 lx470 and a 2018 lx570... I haven’t owned a 200 hundred past 90k but in my opinion... the 200 is way better than the 100 in every way, and I think it will outlast the 100! But that’s just my opinion... that being said I love my lx470 with 130,000 miles
 
I had an '06 LX470 and now '09 LX570. The '06 is still in the family with my brother.

I don't think reliability is a distinguishing differentiator. They both are immensely reliable. Yet both have the minor known nits.

Short list:

100-series
1) Secondary air injection
2) Heater T's

200-series
1) Radiator leak at embossing on upper tank
2) Starter failure shortly after 100k

I agree with your impressions. The '06/'07 100-series had plenty of spunk and were not slugs like the earlier ones. Yet the 200-series has power to spare. 100-series was relatively lighter on it's feet and more agile. 200-series is a bruiser. I do love both, but the 200-series for me just has more sheer capacity and performance.
 
In my experience, they are a case of same story, second verse...meaning same predictable items.

My 99 100 series:
-Radiator weak point failure around 9 years old
-Water Pump
-Starter

My 2007 200 Series
-Radiator weak point failure around 9 years old
-Water pump
-Starter

The difference?
-My 100 series went through three CV boot failures
-My 200 CVs? Still original & show no sign of strain despite no diff drop as my 100 had.

Take care of the basics, and it will get you home.
 
Thx for quick responses guys. Sounds like maintenance issues similar very low. I think first responder is spot on, I am reluctant to USE the truck due to its high cost, fancier interior, etc.
 
Hard to imagine just jumping into it with muddy feet and throwing a rifle across the rear seats.
I agree, the only thing you should be throwing in the back are nice double guns and compound bows! I bought a used 2015 LX570 this year and while it's a nice luxurious ride, my favorite part about it is that it is really a truck and can be used as such. The high price of entry is a fact, but if you're going to keep it for 15+ years, it doesn't really matter. I do insist my dog ride on the floor rather than on the leather seats though!
 
Thx for quick responses guys. Sounds like maintenance issues similar very low. I think first responder is spot on, I am reluctant to USE the truck due to its high cost, fancier interior, etc.

Yeah I feel the same way, not going to drop 35-45k in its prime mall crawler form where its being broken in by the original owners and given a pampering of a life so when I get it at 125k-150k for $15k-20K I won't have a heartache treating it rough ;)

The 100 series will keep me happy for another 5-10 years or so as i make the progression up the ladder from 80 series to 100 series to one day the 200 series.
 
i have an 06 w 187k that i love.
I have a 14 w 37k that I like. Not totally sold on the 200 series. A little too posh, drives like a much bigger car than the 100 series (my wife barely will drive it and she loved the 100 it was her only truck for 4 years). Hard to imagine just jumping into it with muddy feet and throwing a rifle across the rear seats. Deciding what to do next. Keep 200 and sell high mikeage 100, sell both and get low mileage 100, etc. My question is to guys that have owned both, how do long term maintenance and repairs compare?

If you search here for "reliability, 100", you will get 181 threads with people asking basically the same question. They're coming from a 100 and considering a 200. Here's the short answer - objectively the 200 is better in every way; subjectively some people like the smaller "feel" of a 100 more. That's it. Just saved you a bunch of time reading ;)

Yeah I feel the same way, not going to drop 35-45k in its prime mall crawler form where its being broken in by the original owners and given a pampering of a life so when I get it at 125k-150k for $15k-20K I won't have a heartache treating it rough ;)

The 100 series will keep me happy for another 5-10 years or so as i make the progression up the ladder from 80 series to 100 series to one day the 200 series.

I've been watching the secondary Land Cruiser market, specifically the 100s and 200s, for over a decade. 100s for one reason or another have either totally bottomed out in depreciation or in some cases even appreciated in the last few years which has created a floor for the value of the 200s. Four years ago people were saying "an older high miles 200 is in the mid $20k range now, so if I wait another couple years they're going to be $10k", and that was wrong. A $25k 200 from 4 years ago is a $23k 200 today, maybe even still $25k depending on condition, miles, color, rust, etc.

I ran my 08 LX570 through KBB for kicks the other day, and the mileage premium or penalty was roughly $0.02/mile. Meaning, if you look at my current miles of ~167k and added 10k miles, it would lower the value by $200 or if you subtracted 10k miles it increases the value by $200. It's hard to say exactly which factors lead to this, but it appears the 200 has a floor of the low $20k range regardless of miles or condition. I'm sure someone's brother's friend's cousin has found a 200 for $15k, and that's great for him, but that's not what the general market is or likely will be for quite some time. If you're thinking about jumping into a 200 series and want to wait for them to be cheaper than a 100, it's not happening any time soon if ever.

There are a few factors that could lower the future resale of 100s and 200s, but they're speculative in nature IMO:

- One would be the 300 series being more utilitarian, better off road, better gas mileage, and much cheaper than a new 200. That would reset all the values for the 200 and subsequently older models down the line. It's unlikely, but it's possible. I remember when the original Wrangler Rubicon came out, and people back then thought it might be a limited edition run for a year or two then fade into oblivion when the first rollover happened and killed someone. The 4 door version of the Wrangler in Rubicon trim has been one of the hottest selling Jeeps of all time, and the highest residual trucks on the road over the years have included the Rubicon, TRD Pro versions of trucks, the FJ Cruiser, the Land Cruiser, etc. so that shows there is strong demand for off road worth trucks. If Toyota decided to move the 300 into a more off road worthy/less luxury guise for a cheaper price, that will depress the residuals for existing Land Cruisers.

- A more likely scenario would be fuel prices going through the roof due to some conflict, embargo, war, etc. that all of a sudden makes trucks getting under 15mpg fall out of fashion real quick. Enthusiasts will still buy them no doubt, but the people who aren't using them to their full potential will be looking for something more fuel efficient and prices will drop just like they did in 2008 when oil went through the roof. If oil goes crazy at the same time the economy cracks, prices will drop, and people will not be lining up to buy an $85k Toyota that gets 15mpg going downhill with a tailwind.

- Another thing to consider is in the first point OEMs are figuring out that people like off road trucks with real wheeling credibility, so if they keep cranking out sweet trucks like the Raptor, ZR2 and Rubicon and apply that formula to other vehicles in the lineup that cost half as much as the 200 that will depress prices eventually especially when they're faster, have more modern tech, and get better fuel economy.

Didn't intend for that to be a rant, but you can probably tell I spend a lot of time contemplating the market for Land Cruisers especially since I have 2 200s in the garage ;)
 
@mcgaskins

Thanks for the response, definitely some good info. I would agree a 200 series is not going to be 10k in five years from their lowest selling price point of $25K available today for high mileage versions. If you see my post I said I imagine them being 15k-20K in 5-10 years.

In 5-10 years its not a stretch to say that 200 series that are currently available at $30K with 100K miles will be closer to $20K and at that point they will become more reachable for guys holding onto the 100's for dear life ;)
 
It is 200% more reliable.:p

LOOOL

If you search here for "reliability, 100", you will get 181 threads with people asking basically the same question. They're coming from a 100 and considering a 200. Here's the short answer - objectively the 200 is better in every way; subjectively some people like the smaller "feel" of a 100 more. That's it. Just saved you a bunch of time reading ;)



I've been watching the secondary Land Cruiser market, specifically the 100s and 200s, for over a decade. 100s for one reason or another have either totally bottomed out in depreciation or in some cases even appreciated in the last few years which has created a floor for the value of the 200s. Four years ago people were saying "an older high miles 200 is in the mid $20k range now, so if I wait another couple years they're going to be $10k", and that was wrong. A $25k 200 from 4 years ago is a $23k 200 today, maybe even still $25k depending on condition, miles, color, rust, etc.

I ran my 08 LX570 through KBB for kicks the other day, and the mileage premium or penalty was roughly $0.02/mile. Meaning, if you look at my current miles of ~167k and added 10k miles, it would lower the value by $200 or if you subtracted 10k miles it increases the value by $200. It's hard to say exactly which factors lead to this, but it appears the 200 has a floor of the low $20k range regardless of miles or condition. I'm sure someone's brother's friend's cousin has found a 200 for $15k, and that's great for him, but that's not what the general market is or likely will be for quite some time. If you're thinking about jumping into a 200 series and want to wait for them to be cheaper than a 100, it's not happening any time soon if ever.

There are a few factors that could lower the future resale of 100s and 200s, but they're speculative in nature IMO:

- One would be the 300 series being more utilitarian, better off road, better gas mileage, and much cheaper than a new 200. That would reset all the values for the 200 and subsequently older models down the line. It's unlikely, but it's possible. I remember when the original Wrangler Rubicon came out, and people back then thought it might be a limited edition run for a year or two then fade into oblivion when the first rollover happened and killed someone. The 4 door version of the Wrangler in Rubicon trim has been one of the hottest selling Jeeps of all time, and the highest residual trucks on the road over the years have included the Rubicon, TRD Pro versions of trucks, the FJ Cruiser, the Land Cruiser, etc. so that shows there is strong demand for off road worth trucks. If Toyota decided to move the 300 into a more off road worthy/less luxury guise for a cheaper price, that will depress the residuals for existing Land Cruisers.

- A more likely scenario would be fuel prices going through the roof due to some conflict, embargo, war, etc. that all of a sudden makes trucks getting under 15mpg fall out of fashion real quick. Enthusiasts will still buy them no doubt, but the people who aren't using them to their full potential will be looking for something more fuel efficient and prices will drop just like they did in 2008 when oil went through the roof. If oil goes crazy at the same time the economy cracks, prices will drop, and people will not be lining up to buy an $85k Toyota that gets 15mpg going downhill with a tailwind.

- Another thing to consider is in the first point OEMs are figuring out that people like off road trucks with real wheeling credibility, so if they keep cranking out sweet trucks like the Raptor, ZR2 and Rubicon and apply that formula to other vehicles in the lineup that cost half as much as the 200 that will depress prices eventually especially when they're faster, have more modern tech, and get better fuel economy.

Didn't intend for that to be a rant, but you can probably tell I spend a lot of time contemplating the market for Land Cruisers especially since I have 2 200s in the garage ;)

Agree, similar for G-wagons. I think the cost of ownership is such a good proposition on a higher mileage 200 series that's 6-8 years old. Yes, fuel costs are high, but running costs typically low (few repairs, next to nil depreciation if purchased correctly). You can own one for less than leasing a Toyota Corolla. Win win!
 
Seems like maintenance / repair costs on either rig is a big nothing burger. I had a 100 series for 7 years before the 200, I don't think I can ever go back to 100.
 
100LC owner looking to add a 200 series LX ( at some point), I've spent waaaay too much time researching the market, repair histories and owner experiences here. I have a sense (hunch) the 100 platform was designed and built to a slightly different standard with respect to OES part durability. So while the 200 may be aestheticaly better in many ways it may not be better in all ways. I think the 200 while significantly more refined than the 100- is evolving away from its iconic roots of durability and succumbing to the era of lower expectations. Honestly its all brands in this category. Toy/Lex is still head and shoulders above the competition though.
 
100LC owner looking to add a 200 series LX ( at some point), I've spent waaaay too much time researching the market, repair histories and owner experiences here. I have a sense (hunch) the 100 platform was designed and built to a slightly different standard with respect to OES part durability. So while the 200 may be aestheticaly better in many ways it may not be better in all ways. I think the 200 while significantly more refined than the 100- is evolving away from its iconic roots of durability and succumbing to the era of lower expectations. Honestly its all brands in this category. Toy/Lex is still head and shoulders above the competition though.

And what factual and objective evidence do you have that supports your theory? Trust me the 80 guys said the exact same thing to the 100 guys ;)
 
100LC owner looking to add a 200 series LX ( at some point), I've spent waaaay too much time researching the market, repair histories and owner experiences here. I have a sense (hunch) the 100 platform was designed and built to a slightly different standard with respect to OES part durability. So while the 200 may be aestheticaly better in many ways it may not be better in all ways. I think the 200 while significantly more refined than the 100- is evolving away from its iconic roots of durability and succumbing to the era of lower expectations. Honestly its all brands in this category. Toy/Lex is still head and shoulders above the competition though.

Low expectations LOL!

Ever single new iteration whether the 80...the 100...or 290 gets blasted as not being a “real Cruiser.”

After wheeling with a pile of 80’s and 100 guys at Cruise Moab...

Any mechanic or engineer who crawls under the LC after inspecting ANYTHING else will immediately appreciate the build quality.
 
The 100 used better quality materials inside. Door panels, dash, dare I say leather was nicer feeling and appeared thicker in the 100. Mechanically, the 200 is beefier. One look underneath proves this. We will see if the 5.7 is good for 500k + like the 2UZ has been proven for. I am interested to see if it continues to be an option in the next gen Tundra and LC/LX.

You really can’t go wrong with either. It’s telling you can buy a 20 year old 100 and drive it across the country if it has good maintenance. Only time will tell if you can buy a 20 year old 200 in 2028 and see the same service life/reliability.
 
100LC owner looking to add a 200 series LX ( at some point), I've spent waaaay too much time researching the market, repair histories and owner experiences here. I have a sense (hunch) the 100 platform was designed and built to a slightly different standard with respect to OES part durability. So while the 200 may be aestheticaly better in many ways it may not be better in all ways. I think the 200 while significantly more refined than the 100- is evolving away from its iconic roots of durability and succumbing to the era of lower expectations. Honestly its all brands in this category. Toy/Lex is still head and shoulders above the competition though.

I am curious if you have any hard evidence of these claims or if it’s just “feel”?
 
The 100 used better quality materials inside. Door panels, dash, dare I say leather was nicer feeling and appeared thicker in the 100. Mechanically, the 200 is beefier. One look underneath proves this. We will see if the 5.7 is good for 500k + like the 2UZ has been proven for. I am interested to see if it continues to be an option in the next gen Tundra and LC/LX.

You really can’t go wrong with either. It’s telling you can buy a 20 year old 100 and drive it across the country if it has good maintenance. Only time will tell if you can buy a 20 year old 200 in 2028 and see the same service life/reliability.

Simply untrue on 100 having nicer materials. Just bc they bunched up the leather panels on the interior doors didn’t mean it was thicker leather.
 

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