Will this be brought back to the open market for purchase?
1FZ-FE Thoughts/Clarification (3 Viewers)
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gonzopancho
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just turbo the 1fz-fe. you won't leave your foot in it very long. ask me how I know.
- turbo 1fz-fe / h55f in a 74 FJ55 body on fzj80 frame
- turbo 1fz-fe / h55f in a 66 FJ45LV
- NA 5.2L 1fz-fe / h55f in a 78 FJ55 (new project)
- turbo 1hd-fte / h152f in a 97 lx450
- turbo 1fz-fe / a343f in a 97 fzj80 (kid's truck)
gonzopancho
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that's the idea, yes.
Sweet. Is there a tentative timeline or is this a "when there is enough demand" type of situation?
midknightc3
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The H15x looks to be ~$3500-4500 with transfer case. Not insane all things considered, and I do want any swap to be done right, not done cheap. That said, considering I have a working H55F and transfer case already in the truck, how much would I truly gain with that? It sounds like I would most likely want the H150 since I really enjoy my lower 1st when I'm off road. Legendary Toyota 4x4s - Toyota Diesel 4x4s For Sale - https://www.legendarytoyota4x4s.com/ has an H151F and transfer case for $4500 (they also have a rebuilt 1HD-T, but those are a steep entry price...).
Emissions aren't a think where I live, though I guess I can't truly rule out that I might land in an emissions city at some point in my life. Just how bad is the wiring on the factory 1FZ-FE harness? My mechanic is specifically familiar with the FZJ's, so it shouldn't be much of a learning curve for him to fit it into my FJ60.
The talk in this thread is getting me generally excited about the idea of this swap vs. a 1HD-T (cost) and a LS3 (I love my inline Toyota's).
Thank you all!
Clark
EDIT: Gonzopancho, what sort of MPG are you getting with these swaps? My 60 would be heavier I'm guessing, but I would think exonomy would be about the same as your FJ45/55's.
Emissions aren't a think where I live, though I guess I can't truly rule out that I might land in an emissions city at some point in my life. Just how bad is the wiring on the factory 1FZ-FE harness? My mechanic is specifically familiar with the FZJ's, so it shouldn't be much of a learning curve for him to fit it into my FJ60.
How are you mating the 1FZ-FE and the H55F in these?just turbo the 1fz-fe. you won't leave your foot in it very long. ask me how I know.
- turbo 1fz-fe / h55f in a 74 FJ55 body on fzj80 frame
- turbo 1fz-fe / h55f in a 66 FJ45LV
- NA 5.2L 1fz-fe / h55f in a 78 FJ55 (new project)
- turbo 1hd-fte / h152f in a 97 lx450
- turbo 1fz-fe / a343f in a 97 fzj80 (kid's truck)
The talk in this thread is getting me generally excited about the idea of this swap vs. a 1HD-T (cost) and a LS3 (I love my inline Toyota's).
Thank you all!
Clark
EDIT: Gonzopancho, what sort of MPG are you getting with these swaps? My 60 would be heavier I'm guessing, but I would think exonomy would be about the same as your FJ45/55's.
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midknightc3
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@dogfishlake how does the Haltech compare to the OEM computer regarding reliability? Looking at their website their ECU's run $2500-2600 for the "plug and play" kit.
Wiring to the stock ECU is easy. In fact, any stand alone will need the same stuff, power ground, AC if you have it, etc... I think the stock ECU is actually easier because it already plugs into everything on the engine including the hold downs, etc..., you just need to power it and wake it up. It mounts behind the glove box so as long as you mount in that general location the lengths are good to go too.
You will need to run the fuel lines down the d-side frame rail since the exhaust will now run down the p-side, not a big deal but a little bit of work. I'd also suggest going with an FJ62 gas tank, better baffles to catch the fuel return flow so less air gets sucked into the lines when fuel is low.
Frank
You will need to run the fuel lines down the d-side frame rail since the exhaust will now run down the p-side, not a big deal but a little bit of work. I'd also suggest going with an FJ62 gas tank, better baffles to catch the fuel return flow so less air gets sucked into the lines when fuel is low.
Frank
gonzopancho
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they're difficult to fit in older trucks. I've had a h55f behind a 1fz-fe in a 40 and 55. the h15x is worse.
the 55 build has a h55f, nw blackbox "doubler", 3.1:1 gears in the split case, and 4.56 gears in the 3rds. 186:1 crawl ratio. You can start it in gear, pointed uphill.
fj.co bell housing. uniclutch.
The wife's 62 has a LS3 / 6L80e combo (on a locked 80 frame).
I've not driven the LV yet. Milage is expected to be about the same as an 80, maybe a little better, assuming I mostly stay out of boost. Mostly.
gonzopancho
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it's a "when I can get it to the top of the list" type of situation. Currently re-engineering Bump It Offroad's protection catalog, adding in a few desirable 80 series accessories. Knowing there is demand helps me consider accelerating the development side.
I'm ready.
midknightc3
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Can anyone speak to the bell housing 31111-60230 for use in adapting the 1FZ to an H55?
And what about this ECU for my application?
Thanks!
TOYOTA GENUINE OEM 31111-60230 HOUSING, CLUTCH 3111160230 | eBay
100% Toyota/Lexus OEM Genuine Part. Does not apply. Country/Region of Manufacture. Manufacturer Part Number.
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And what about this ECU for my application?
Thanks!
I have a lot of my own products cast from various grades of aluminum then machined in house. A friend of mine is a brilliant patternmaker.
Those FJco bellhousings look ROUGH. They look like an afterthought more than a product if you've ever dealt with patterns and sand casting.
Given what I figure the market probably is for this stuff (not that big) and the nightmare factor of working with foundries on small runs this is what i would do-
I would build an HMC fixture to mill the back off and prep 343 and 442 bellhousings. Then I'd make new trans mounting surfaces from 6061. Basically tab and slot to rough locate. Then weld these on with the bellhousing bolted to a fixture plate so it moves very little.
Then back into the HMC for one or two ops to mill one or both sides plus clutch release hole/features depending on how much the block side warps.
I'd offer two flavors- One for the H55, one for the NV4500.
NV4500 is way cheaper and better than an H150.
I've done tons of castings and still do a fair amount. Casting is the dead last option in todays modern era of USA manufacturing.
Now, if you're going to have them made overseas by low bidder then it's totally different story. Tons of foundries to work with. Not my cup of tea though.
Those FJco bellhousings look ROUGH. They look like an afterthought more than a product if you've ever dealt with patterns and sand casting.
Given what I figure the market probably is for this stuff (not that big) and the nightmare factor of working with foundries on small runs this is what i would do-
I would build an HMC fixture to mill the back off and prep 343 and 442 bellhousings. Then I'd make new trans mounting surfaces from 6061. Basically tab and slot to rough locate. Then weld these on with the bellhousing bolted to a fixture plate so it moves very little.
Then back into the HMC for one or two ops to mill one or both sides plus clutch release hole/features depending on how much the block side warps.
I'd offer two flavors- One for the H55, one for the NV4500.
NV4500 is way cheaper and better than an H150.
I've done tons of castings and still do a fair amount. Casting is the dead last option in todays modern era of USA manufacturing.
Now, if you're going to have them made overseas by low bidder then it's totally different story. Tons of foundries to work with. Not my cup of tea though.
We've done two of these using the FJ Co bellhousing, and would absolutely do them again if the parts were available. In the 60, it did allow for keeping the transmission sitting in its mount and not having to redo anything in the drivetrain. We used the Haltech system made for the 80. It does not make LS power but does make more than the 2F and is 400% smoother at every rpm. The rest of the drivetrain still makes enough noise that you still get the full experience. 10/10 would recommend.
midknightc3
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@FJ60Cam G damn, that is a good looking engine bay. Do you have any experience with 3111160230? Keeping the transmission mounts and drive shaft the same sounds wise, and my shop and I can easily tap some extra holes in the factory housing if that's the only difference between the two. Any idea what MPG those 60's got after your swap? MPG is probably the only thing that would push me towards a diesel. Just did a trip in the South West where I got a whopping 7mpg in my Sniper'd 2F...that's pretty f'n hard to swallow. Even if I had no f's to give towards economy, the difference in range between 7mpg and 20+??? in a diesel makes a huge difference in capability. 10% (1mpg) is mentioned based upon factory literature, but is that realistic given the variables? Somehow I'm hoping for better MPG, but that might be something akin to s***ting in one hand and hoping in the other?
Another question for @FJ60Cam why did you use the Haltech setup vs. the factory computer? I'm all for leveraging newer technology, but is Haltech more reliable or likely to produce more power than a factory computer? I want all the things, but ultimately reliability and parts availability are my priorities.
Thanks!
Another question for @FJ60Cam why did you use the Haltech setup vs. the factory computer? I'm all for leveraging newer technology, but is Haltech more reliable or likely to produce more power than a factory computer? I want all the things, but ultimately reliability and parts availability are my priorities.
Thanks!
The Haltech is tunable and makes more power and also allows for a manual transmission.
7MPG, there has to be something amis. The 1FZE should be more efficient and turning gas into mechanical power than the 2F due to better flow and engine management. I recently did a trip to Coyote Flats with my wife driving our 80 pulling a trailer with our 2 wheeled toys with me in 60, both rigs full of kids, dog, and gear. The 80 still bested the 60 in MPG if only a little (1MPG) and that's with the 80 turning 37s, 4.88 gears. The 60 is turing 35's, 4.56 gears. While a gasoline engine cannot match the efficiency of the diesel thermodynamic cycle, you should definitely be well over 7MPG with the 2F / Sniper you have. Bringing this back to the 1FZE, I would think you should see 12+ loaded on a trip out here in the southwest. Unloaded you might see 14 or so. Obviously it's hard to say but my 80 unloaded can get 13 (highway) so the lighter 60 with a manual should best that.
Frank
I would concur you have some issue with your setup. I just crossed the country in my 60 with a full load(roof top tent, camp gear, 2 people, drawer system) and was returning 15mpg crossing the plains. Setup is a sniper, h55, 33's.
Regarding the 1FZ engine, I have one in my 75 series (F) and it's a gem of an engine. Inline 6 engines are just so nice to drive. Inherently balanced, Toyota quality, what's not to like?
Well, this is a nice place to discuss this matter.
In my FJ collection is my daily white FJ62, which has low mileage. Then I had a long story with a modern 1FZ-fe that ended up in my possession. I am aware that this swap is a common practice in Qatar, and I can complete it within a week. However, I wanted to approach it in my own way to gain a deeper understanding of this concept. I do not hate the 3F, but I already have another stock 62 in black that I won't sell, and I do have a solid patena 1986 that has no engine, so that 3F will be used.
I plan to try it with H55 first, as my Qatari friend did for his swap, then go with H151 if needed.
When I reached my Qatari friend, he shared this photo, which is an FZJ80 bell housing that had been modified to fit the H55 pattern.
He took the following from FZJ80 the disk from FJ62 h55
- Flywheel is a 1fz's
- Fork and bearing
- Plate and clutch from zj80
In my FJ collection is my daily white FJ62, which has low mileage. Then I had a long story with a modern 1FZ-fe that ended up in my possession. I am aware that this swap is a common practice in Qatar, and I can complete it within a week. However, I wanted to approach it in my own way to gain a deeper understanding of this concept. I do not hate the 3F, but I already have another stock 62 in black that I won't sell, and I do have a solid patena 1986 that has no engine, so that 3F will be used.
I plan to try it with H55 first, as my Qatari friend did for his swap, then go with H151 if needed.
When I reached my Qatari friend, he shared this photo, which is an FZJ80 bell housing that had been modified to fit the H55 pattern.
He took the following from FZJ80 the disk from FJ62 h55
- Flywheel is a 1fz's
- Fork and bearing
- Plate and clutch from zj80
In my case with latest 1FZ-fe. I have to go with fzj79 ECU because it came without key security.
Here is a sample of shop work for making housings for swaps
this one i believe is a uz engine to nissan transmission, however he did one for gm to h55.
Here is a sample of shop work for making housings for swaps
this one i believe is a uz engine to nissan transmission, however he did one for gm to h55.
