19mpg average from Moab to Seattle with 1HD-T Engine
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Am I getting this right? You prefer an automatic tranny? you into hard core rack crawling? because I can' think of ANY other situation that warrents an auto over a manual.
justbecause
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northernrighty said:Am I getting this right? You prefer an automatic tranny? you into hard core rack crawling? because I can' think of ANY other situation that warrents an auto over a manual.
Going down something like Blackbear and the associated pucker factor id rather not have a clutch to worry about... + if
is driving I'd like to not have to worry about her burning up my clutch.posted with my thumbs.
Am I getting this right? You prefer an automatic tranny? you into hard core rack crawling? because I can' think of ANY other situation that warrents an auto over a manual.
in the group of about 20 wheelers I run trails with, all except one run an automatic transmission. the one that still runs a manual is switching to an automatic.
geared appropriately, you have every bit of the control coming down steep grades with an automatic. On the flip side, you have WAY more control climbing obstacles.
back on topic - OP, do you think the higher fuel cost in diesel is balanced out in regards to a 1FZ getting 15 mpg? It seems you would have a slight advantage in cents per mile.
Some of us use our trucks for everything, not just rock wheelin, and I will never trust an auto over a manual. On the bump start factor alone I will never buy an auto if the manual option is there.
Back on track: you Guys paying more for diesel than petro?
torfab
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Diesel prices are about 20 cents above regular unleaded, but I never got 15mpg in my 80 series, especially with 33" tires. Here's a breakdown of pricing:
Let's assume I fill 20 gallons of fuel every time I go to the pump, and my fuel mileage is 18mpg with the diesel and 12mpg with the gasser. Current gas price is 4.15 per gallon and diesel is 4.35 per gallon
mileage fuel consumption distance traveled cost per tank Cost per mile
12mpg 20 gallons of gas 240 miles $83.00 $.3458
18mpg 20 gallons of Diesel 360 miles $87.00 $.2417
The cost of fueling my land cruiser in one year assuming 15,000 miles of travel
Gas cost = $5,187.00
Diesel Cost = $3,625.50
Delta = $1,561.50
Is it really worth the savings? as I said before in this post, no. Is it worth not having to fill it up every ~200 miles? Absolutely!
It would realistically take about 8.33 years to recover the cost, assuming I keep it that long (which I probably wont). On the flip side, I effectively increased the value of my cruiser from 7k to ~20k, so I would say I have invested my money wisely
Let's assume I fill 20 gallons of fuel every time I go to the pump, and my fuel mileage is 18mpg with the diesel and 12mpg with the gasser. Current gas price is 4.15 per gallon and diesel is 4.35 per gallon
mileage fuel consumption distance traveled cost per tank Cost per mile
12mpg 20 gallons of gas 240 miles $83.00 $.3458
18mpg 20 gallons of Diesel 360 miles $87.00 $.2417
The cost of fueling my land cruiser in one year assuming 15,000 miles of travel
Gas cost = $5,187.00
Diesel Cost = $3,625.50
Delta = $1,561.50
Is it really worth the savings? as I said before in this post, no. Is it worth not having to fill it up every ~200 miles? Absolutely!
It would realistically take about 8.33 years to recover the cost, assuming I keep it that long (which I probably wont). On the flip side, I effectively increased the value of my cruiser from 7k to ~20k, so I would say I have invested my money wisely
excellent information. thanks for sharing. With my vortec swap, I am averaging about 15 mpg with in town driving. This is with an all-aluminum 5.3l (L33 code motor). I am running the stock 4.10s and 315 tires and burn the cheapest gas I can find. The vortec doesn't seem to care what I put in it.
Just for comparison, cruise rpm is OD is 1950 at 75 mph and the truck has power to spare at these speeds.
Diesels are great, but the wild swings in fuel price finally drove me to sell my dodge cummins truck. It sat more than I drove it anyways, so I was not sad to see it go.
let me just say - I think it's great you did this swap and that you are happy with it. a lot of folks will poo-poo swaps like these for this reason or that, but in the end - it's YOUR vehicle to do whatever you want for what ever reason.
I also think it's really cool that there are some folks on this board who are not afraid to take the leap and tackle something like this. We do it because we can, and we do it because it improves an already awesome vehicle.
cheers!
Just for comparison, cruise rpm is OD is 1950 at 75 mph and the truck has power to spare at these speeds.
Diesels are great, but the wild swings in fuel price finally drove me to sell my dodge cummins truck. It sat more than I drove it anyways, so I was not sad to see it go.
let me just say - I think it's great you did this swap and that you are happy with it. a lot of folks will poo-poo swaps like these for this reason or that, but in the end - it's YOUR vehicle to do whatever you want for what ever reason.
I also think it's really cool that there are some folks on this board who are not afraid to take the leap and tackle something like this. We do it because we can, and we do it because it improves an already awesome vehicle.
cheers!
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I had a hard time deciding if I wanted to build a 1hd-t 80 series or a 5.3l 80. I think the 5.3 vortec is a killer engine, and it's going to be my next conversion. In fact I have a 1989 BJ74 that I'm converting to LHD right now, and it will be getting the vortec treatment.
I don't have an opinion either way, I won't tell anyone that diesel is better than gas. In the end it's about what you use the vehicle for, and what you want to happen when you hit the skinny pedal. There is one feature I really dig about the diesel though:
http://youtu.be/XeiDBDRb664
I had a hard time deciding if I wanted to build a 1hd-t 80 series or a 5.3l 80. I think the 5.3 vortec is a killer engine, and it's going to be my next conversion. In fact I have a 1989 BJ74 that I'm converting to LHD right now, and it will be getting the vortec treatment.
I don't have an opinion either way, I won't tell anyone that diesel is better than gas. In the end it's about what you use the vehicle for, and what you want to happen when you hit the skinny pedal. There is one feature I really dig about the diesel though:
http://youtu.be/XeiDBDRb664
Now that was the coolest thing I have seen in a long time.
That's impressive mileage. I doubt I ever got that good but I'm normally close. My engine was touched up a bit for a better response, not much, but you can feel the difference. I have a reasonably long trip coming up soon and shall try to remember to do a mileage check regardless that it's going to involve some mountain roads.
Kalawang
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I think diesels are a passion, which cost more to maintain. Rebuilding your turbo, injection pump and injector's every 60k miles will cancel out most fuel savings. (unless you run veggie oil)
For those who want V-8's, why not just buy a 100 Series? Am I missing something? (besides the solid axle debate)
For those who want V-8's, why not just buy a 100 Series? Am I missing something? (besides the solid axle debate)
I drove to a scout camp for/with my son a few weeks ago.
It was perhaps a 2.5hr drive, one way.
I was super diligent and kept it 50mph(80km/hr) pretty much the whole way.
As usual, accelerating and decelerating like a granny and coasting in with clutch cut (5spd) on down hill, etc...
When I came back to town and filled it up I was happy to see that I actually got 25.5mpg(US).
I have 31" tires, bull bar, and a full-length roof rack, fwiw.
It was a good day.
It was perhaps a 2.5hr drive, one way.
I was super diligent and kept it 50mph(80km/hr) pretty much the whole way.
As usual, accelerating and decelerating like a granny and coasting in with clutch cut (5spd) on down hill, etc...
When I came back to town and filled it up I was happy to see that I actually got 25.5mpg(US).
I have 31" tires, bull bar, and a full-length roof rack, fwiw.
It was a good day.
Tapage
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rebuilding injectors and pump every 60K ..? 
Marilu ODO sits around 390,XXX km right now with the the same pump .. and just did the injectors last year ..
Marilu ODO sits around 390,XXX km right now with the the same pump .. and just did the injectors last year ..
mot;7744332 [SIZE="7" said:like a granny[/SIZE] and coasting in with clutch cut (5spd) on down hill, etc...
When I came back to town and filled it up I was happy to see that I actually got 25.5mpg(US).
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You are the おじいさん ojiisan!!!
rebuilding injectors and pump every 60K ..?
Marilu ODO sits around 390,XXX km right now with the the same pump .. and just did the injectors last year ..
Diesel are the s***!
There is no reason for rebuilding anything if you have good quality fuel and a well maintained truck that gets consistently the same mileage.
LandCrusher80
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Hey, I resent that.
At least you gotta call me 「おやじ」
Nice info.
yes the conversion is expensive, but you will pay only one time, after some year you will forget the cost of the conversion, and you can drive your LC80 everywhere without think on the bl..y 11mpg.
Think about, most of our 80 are over 150k miles, so, the rebuilt engine time is coming.
yes the conversion is expensive, but you will pay only one time, after some year you will forget the cost of the conversion, and you can drive your LC80 everywhere without think on the bl..y 11mpg.
Think about, most of our 80 are over 150k miles, so, the rebuilt engine time is coming.
