100 series vs. 4runner drivetrain

[04UZJ100]

What are the similarities and differences. I know that they share the same 2UZFE engine (my 07 4r has VVT-i) whereas my mom's 04 LC does not. What else do they share.

I assume that the 5 speed trans is the same, the 4r has the Torsion Center Diff whereas the LC does not which is "better"?

How do the frames differ?

Are the axles/diffs/drive shafts the same because I believe they have VERY close wheelbases.

Just wondering...

Thanks!

 

[1loudLX]

4runner shares the same platform as the 120-series landcruiser if im not mistaken. Similar in design to the 100 but different beast.

 

[hks3sgte]

100 = Heavy duty

4Runner (120) = Light Duty

Slide underneath a Land cruiser and you'll see the difference.

 

[04UZJ100]

100 = Heavy duty

4Runner (120) = Light Duty

Slide underneath a Land cruiser and you'll see the difference.

Yea I hear you everything on my mom's 04 LC is clearly overbuilt.

 

[1loudLX]

Yea I hear you everything on my mom's 04 LC is clearly overbuilt.

spoken by the man himself! Still think the 4R is a sweet truck, especially with the 2UZ-FE motor.

 

[pagemaster]

100 = Heavy duty

4Runner (120) = Light Duty

Slide underneath a Land cruiser and you'll see the difference.

I don't think the 100 series is heavy duty at all. The 4runner is a little tougher do to the 4runner being a 2003 introduction where as the 100 series is using tech from 1998.

 

[pagemaster]

What are the similarities and differences. I know that they share the same 2UZFE engine (my 07 4r has VVT-i) whereas my mom's 04 LC does not. What else do they share.

Same 2UZ motor and 5 speed.

the 4r has the Torsion Center Diff whereas the LC does not which is "better"?

Torsen differential for sure although you get vibration with the system that is report on Gx and now some 200 series models.

How do the frames differ?

I would have to go with the 4 runner frame for sure on this one. The 100 series frame was engineered for introduction in 1998 while the 120 series frame came out in 2003....the 2003 frame of the 120 series likely uses all the advancement in frame design in the 5 years from 1998.

Are the axles/diffs/drive shafts the same because I believe they have VERY close wheelbases

Axles are different. Not sure about drive shafts...front suspension is different design and set up.

What are the similarities and differences

4runner has more equipment.

Down hill assist control
Hill start assist
Rear height control air suspension (06-07 LC uses TEMS)
X-REAS suspension
Duel air conditioning

 

[Elijah]

Same 2UZ motor and 5 speed.



Torsen differential for sure although you get vibration with the system that is report on Gx and now some 200 series models.



I would have to go with the 4 runner frame for sure on this one. The 100 series frame was engineered for introduction in 1998 while the 120 series frame came out in 2003....the 2003 frame of the 120 series likely uses all the advancement in frame design in the 5 years from 1998.



Axles are different. Not sure about drive shafts...front suspension is different design and set up.



4runner has more equipment.

Down hill assist control
Hill start assist
Rear height control air suspension (06-07 LC uses TEMS)
X-REAS suspension
Duel air conditioning

You're basing the heavy dutiness of the frame on the year they were designed?! The 100 series frame is much heavier duty.

The rear differential in the 100 series are on par with dana 44's, some would say dana 60's.

The 'equipment' you list is just......fluff. Nothing 'heavy duty' there.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

I don't think the 100 series is heavy duty at all.

Like hks says, go underneath. The LC is built for the 3rd world. The LC frame is about twice the size of the 4Runner and heavily boxed and supported.The Runner, while still Toyota quality, isn't in the same league. Being introduced in '98 has nothing to do with it, it has to do with being built to last a LONG time.

Oh, and I have dual AC. And TEMS was on the Supra. LC and LX use AHC.

 

[1loudLX]

I don't think the 100 series is heavy duty at all. The 4runner is a little tougher do to the 4runner being a 2003 introduction where as the 100 series is using tech from 1998.

uhh, not so much. Go check out the undersides of both vehicles and report back what you discover.

 

[Proud Highway]

I own a 4runner and owned a 100.

The primary difference is size. Both are built very stout, like brick s***houses. Chassis flex or fatigue will never be an issue in your lifetime. Build quality for both is exceptional. I never pushed either to the limit off road, but where I did go the 4runner had the advantage in size (fewer pinstripes), but in all other categories the 100 does with ease what makes the 4runner sweat a little. The gizmos on the 4runner are just that--gizmos. The 4runner is a little zippier around town, but the 100 is slightly better driving overall IMO (quieter, smoother, better visibility).

It's sort of like comparing an E-class mercedes to an S-class. Both are liked by many people, both are MB, but the S-class stands alone as does the 100. If $ were no object and I wasn't living in an urban area I'd have my 100 back. Other than homely looks, I can't say one bad thing about my 4runner, but it just isn't a 100.

 

[pagemaster]

LC and LX use AHC.

To be fair to the OP. I am only comparing the v8 4runner to 100 series Land Cruiser (06-07 TEMS included. Not including LX in this discussion at all. But perhaps we should look at all platform models.

Being introduced in '98 has nothing to do with it, it has to do with being built to last a LONG time.

It has a lot to do with it. The 2003 4runner frame is engineered with everything that is known in 2003 compared to what what was engineered in 1998.

The LC is built for the 3rd world

The 70 series is built for real third word duty. EVERYWHERE in the third world the 100 series is offered so too is the 120 series..

100 series is an upscale SUV....

The rear differential in the 100 series are on par with dana 44's, some would say dana 60's

mmm..the 100 series 4.7/5speed can tow up to 6500 lbs while the 4runner with 4.7/speed can move 7000lbs both are full time 4WD. I don't see the frame or axle strength giving the advantage to the 100 series in this situation.


yes the payload is more in the 100 series by about 300lbs but who cares about that when the Highlander can haul more payload than both the 4runner and Lancruiser (100 series or 200 series)
However a 120 series Diesel Land Cruiser Prada (according to Toyota in South Africa) has a payload of almost 1900lbs which is more than a 100 series Land Cruiser.

The 100 series is tough but it is NOT heavy duty. I am giving some stat here while you have nothing to show that the 100 series is heavy duty.

Show me so stats that prove that the 100 series can out perform at 120 series?

The 70 series is BY FAR heavy duty with 2400 lb payload capacity, solid front axle, leaf springs rear....sadly the towing capacity is VERY poor.

 

[uzj100]

Go lay under both. I agree that the one was engineered in 97 and the other in 02 however just go check out all the pieces under there, no comparison. Check the weight vs dimensions, no comparison. Both are over built however the 100 takes it to the next level.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

The 100 series is tough but it is NOT heavy duty. I am giving some stat here while you have nothing to show that the 100 series is heavy duty.

You need a better benchmark than towing alone. And to say that because a frame is designed 5 years later makes it better is a little naive.

Let's talk reliability, even though it's Toyota. The '98 Land Cruiser has had 41 TSB's released in the past 10 years. The '03 4Runner has had 62 in just 5 years. How many more will it have in 5 more?

From Wikipedia:
Toyota Land Cruiser Prado is a model designation used in Japan, Australia, South Africa, Middle East and Latin America as well as other parts of the world for light-duty, mid-sized four-wheel drive cars in the Toyota Land Cruiser line.

Out of the US the Prado is widely recognized as the "junior" Land Cruiser, not quite as strong or stout, but still Toyota. And as several people have said, look under them. Measure. You want hard numbers, well I don't have any to give you because I don't have both here. But I have a '99 Land Cruiser, my father has an '04 4Runner, and I have been under both.

 

[1loudLX]

The closest you can get to the true 120 prado stateside is a GX470.

 

[Elijah]

You need a better benchmark than towing alone. And to say that because a frame is designed 5 years later makes it better is a little naive.

Let's talk reliability, even though it's Toyota. The '98 Land Cruiser has had 41 TSB's released in the past 10 years. The '03 4Runner has had 62 in just 5 years. How many more will it have in 5 more?

From Wikipedia:
Toyota Land Cruiser Prado is a model designation used in Japan, Australia, South Africa, Middle East and Latin America as well as other parts of the world for light-duty, mid-sized four-wheel drive cars in the Toyota Land Cruiser line.

Out of the US the Prado is widely recognized as the "junior" Land Cruiser, not quite as strong or stout, but still Toyota. And as several people have said, look under them. Measure. You want hard numbers, well I don't have any to give you because I don't have both here. But I have a '99 Land Cruiser, my father has an '04 4Runner, and I have been under both.

I was gonna say the same thing. I showed this to my father in law, his girlfriend has an '05 4Runner, and he just laughed. He said the same thing, the 4Runner is an exceptional vehicle, but is not in the same class as a 100 series or even 80 series LC for that matter.

 

[pagemaster]

You need a better benchmark than towing alone.
.

Well towing is one benchmark that clearly is in favour of the 120 series platform....it tows more not because of the engine or tranny (same as 120) but because it has newer techonology, frame engineering, brakes etc for the release in 2003. In 2003 the 100 series was already obsolete by power, towing, cargo standards at that time.

You need a better benchmark than towing alone

The 100 series Lexus LX470 uses 12.2 rotors up front and 12.8 inch rotors in the rear. The 120 series GX 470 uses 13.3 inches rotors up front and 12.3 inch rotors in the rear. Clearly the 120 series uses bigger brakes.

Cargo capacity is about the same as well with 2 more feet of capacity in the 100 series

The 100 series frame was designed and engineered in or around 1995-1997 for introductino in 1998. The 120 series likely started design and research in 2001 or so. Competition became tougher in those years and research in vehicle engineering advanced from 1998 LC to a 2003 4runner.

Currently Toyota claims that the 200 series Land Cruiser is the strongest frame they have ever built.

 

[1loudLX]

and you wouldnt claim your newest product, that your're now selling is your best/strongest thing you've made to date? I would say that the 120 has higher towing capacity because the majority of things we're not overbuilt, causing the vehicles curb weight to be lower. With a lower weight, more can be towed since the brakes/drivetain have breathing room.

Page, out of curiosity, what do you drive?

 

[04UZJ100]

Well towing is one benchmark that clearly is in favour of the 120 series platform....it tows more not because of the engine or tranny (same as 120) but because it has newer techonology, frame engineering, brakes etc for the release in 2003. In 2003 the 100 series was already obsolete by power, towing, cargo standards at that time.



The 100 series Lexus LX470 uses 12.2 rotors up front and 12.8 inch rotors in the rear. The 120 series GX 470 uses 13.3 inches rotors up front and 12.3 inch rotors in the rear. Clearly the 120 series uses bigger brakes.

Cargo capacity is about the same as well with 2 more feet of capacity in the 100 series

The 100 series frame was designed and engineered in or around 1995-1997 for introductino in 1998. The 120 series likely started design and research in 2001 or so. Competition became tougher in those years and research in vehicle engineering advanced from 1998 LC to a 2003 4runner.

Currently Toyota claims that the 200 series Land Cruiser is the strongest frame they have ever built.

I understand they increased torsional strength in the 200 over the 100 frame by 40% and lateral strength by 20%. I also read that in 1998 when Toyota set out to create a frame stronger than Land Rover, they did so and after testing, it was deemed the strongest vehicle frame ever forged.

Furthermore, regarding sliding underneath them. The frame overall size/thickess etc appears to be VERY similar from the 100 to the 4r. The main differences is the front suspension and different rear end setup.

I can slide under both....my moms 04 LC

 

[Trunk Monkey]

The 100 series Lexus LX470 uses 12.2 rotors up front and 12.8 inch rotors in the rear. The 120 series GX 470 uses 13.3 inches rotors up front and 12.3 inch rotors in the rear. Clearly the 120 series uses bigger brakes.

4Runner is 11.7".

And I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers, but looking around the net, I've found 3 places that spec towing of the 100 at 3500kg and the 120 at 2500kg.

http://www.overlander.com.au/vehicl...ndCruiser-v-Prado-v-Patrol-v-Jackaroo-v-ML270