1/4 eplitcal suspension???

[Full_M3tal]

What The Fxxx Is A Matter With You Chris? All You Know Is What Rock Logic Can Tell You.... Thats It... Hell When We Where In Moab, You Didnt Even Know How To Shift Your 205... And Your Cruiser Was Pretty Much Already Built When You Got It... So Thanks For The Info, But I Did Research My s*** It Took Me 3 Months Just To Figure Out My Link Arms, From Drag Racing To Offroad.. I Researched It... The Wall Thickness Is 1/4 Inch Pipe... And If Jasons Rollbar Can Stand Rolling 5 1/2 Times, I'd Have To Say The Weldding With A 110 Is Fxxxing Great... And If It Ever Does Break Big Deal Ill Have A Back Up....

So If You Are Going To Help Me Thats Fine Suggest... Do Be Such A Fxxxing Prick...

Thanks For Everyone Who Did Halp Me Out I Really Do Appreciate It.

 

[Full_M3tal]

those links are awful steep..

Ya I Know... Notice That The Jack Stands Are As Far Up As They Go, And There Is No Weight On The Frame, It Shoul Almost Level Out, Or Close To It When I Get Every Thing Back On The Frame

 

[Full_M3tal]

Also you might want to throw a little gusset on the spring retainer, I see three stitch welds and we all know where it would brake if severly torqued on?

Rob

I Plan On Putting A few Gussets From The Plate To The Frame, Just Because I Really Don't Like All The Waight On Just That Single Plate.

 

[Full_M3tal]

i have more posts in this thread than cam

Oh So No Your Counting Eh? Sounds Like A 10 yr Old Trapped In A 19yr Olds Body

 

[M3TAL D0RK]

heh.... i dunno waht to say cam. except that you have one kick ass thing on your side, and thats the mutha fxxxin elders.. and nothins better than those buncha dudes.
cams a smart kid. sure, he likes to do things a couple times before it works out.. but thats how he is.. a damn sceintist with all his toyota experiments and s***. He wasted a whole dame truck once.. it was sad but damn he learned alot .. s*** man, hes not yet 21 years old and hes doing more than most dudes ever did at that age...and the best part is, hes not afraid to do it himself.
props to my lil bro cam. jsut remember to take the suggestion in a postive way. everyone on this forum is down with toyotas and they are all just trying to help, no matter how ineffecient their tact is in doing so...

josh.

 

[bad_religion_au]

cams a smart kid. sure, he likes to do things a couple times before it works out..

I'LL BUY that... when things fail, he'll learn, by the time he gets it right, at least he'll understand WHY he built it the way he did. that is true knowlege.

 

[Eskimo]

What's that saying - wisdom comes from experience, experience comes from a lack of wisdom (or something like that)

You'll get there... but you'd be able to get in alot more posting -If You Didn't Capitalize Every Word When You Type-..

You're obviously listening to the right guys on this... My only input is to research the loads on the links.. 1.75 .250 DOM is typically the defacto standard for links.. Not unbendable, but all-around good. You'll need to go much larger on the pipe to equal that strength... Just my $.02

 

[Fullsizeyota]

What's that saying - wisdom comes from experience, experience comes from a lack of wisdom (or something like that)

You're obviously listening to the right guys on this... My only input is to research the loads on the links.. 1.75 .250 DOM is typically the defacto standard for links.. Not unbendable, but all-around good. You'll need to go much larger on the pipe to equal that strength... Just my $.02

thank you, someone finally agrees with me....

all i'm sayin cam, is that your pipe isnt going to cut it.. re read my post and dont take them in such a hostile way....

and for the post counting, who gives a s***..

i was just saying that i have replied more to this particular thread than you have.. i rarely post on this board unless i really feel strongly.

 

[Fullsizeyota]

What The Fxxx Is A Matter With You Chris? All You Know Is What Rock Logic Can Tell You....

.

i dont listen to RL... how many times have i acutally even talked to Von... i think i could honestly count them on one hand...

i've seen their designs in competitions... i've seen their designs on recreational rigs (like yours and mine) i've seen that their designs WORK and work well..

i know not everyones design is going to work the first time out.. look at Fryman's cruiser in Moab, remember the "voo doo mind coil" his springs didnt quit work out, but he managed to make it with the coil.. it actually worked very well...

i'm just saying if you can see what size tube everyone else is using, you see that its working, why would you stray away and go smaller?


well whatever, see ya. i didnt think you would flip like this. i guess this is why you posted on Mud and not pirate... i honestly didnt mean it to be so "hostile" like you took it.. just constructive critisism. seriously.

 

[Mace]

Fullsize can you please tell me why 1/4" thick pipe is inherently worse than tubing of the same diameter..

I have not seen a spec on the actual Diameter of the pipe being used. But it does look fairly thick.
And you are being a dick. If you want to offer constructive criticism then please do. But don't come out and say his links look awfull. I have seen a lot worse setups on rigs that work just fine.


Full Metal, The steepness of the links is why I asked how much lower the rig will sit when you are done with it.
If the links flatten out a lot it shoudl be a good setup.

One thing, if you know EXACTLY wht you are doing you can build lighter and not lose strength. Since I really don't know what I am doing I tend to build heavier and stronger to make up for lacking design knowledge.

Lets stop arguing and do more for getting this setup to work well and not break on the trail. Breaking on the trail sucks, along with breaking in the driveway

 

[TLCA_Paul]

A little more about Fryman's rig.

He is using farm impliment rod ends on one end, and spring bushings on the other. The rubber takes alot of the shock load out of them, so they have lasted for the last 3 years. Including a week at the hammers, Upper heldorado, HailJons, and some other crap we find. Plus some street driving!.He breaks Tcases, but the ends are still intact, and not bent. He did bend his lowers when he built it, it was in his design. it has a small gusset on top welded across the bend. I was a little scared of it, but it seems to be working out fine. Yes he still as the monocoil. And he is now working on the centerdif and new Tcase setup. so we will see if he changes anything.

 

[lowtideride]

Last year at GSMTR frydaddy blew a t-case...maybe it was just a t-case bearing either way he was on his way to fix when he noticed a cracked frame. He beat the snot out of the truck at tellico that year. After the cracked frame I think threw in the towel and got drunk for the rest of GSMTR.

 

[fjsomething]

take it easy on fullsize40, you would just have to know him to pick up on his criticism, and its like m3tal dork said, he totally cut appart a mini truck and now its i the junk yard. i have seen his work first hand and i wouldn't want it my cruiser. all of the stuff he has on his truck is scrap, he cut down my old ford shock towers and is using them as lower link mounts. all that fullsize40 and i are saying is that things need to thought out better. im not bashin you cam, you have a good idea just take some advice from the guys at the shop.

 

[FJ40onNOS]

Cam, you have a bad ass set up and i think it will be fine! if it break then fit it, notta big deal.

and Fullsizeyota dont bring up how many post you have, there will always be some one with more

o and STFU, if cam wants to use 1/4 then let him, do you even own a Cruiser, cuz iv never heard of you and i really dont care to!

 

[Full_M3tal]

Well Then, Out Of Money For A Few Days, So I Cut A Few PC's Of 3/8" Steel And Gusseted My Top Arm Where The 3 Points Come Together... Put My (Stock)Rollbar On Ebay Last Week, I Dont Like To See It Go, But Need The Money... Plus Have To Part With It When I Do My Rollbar Anways....


Chris Thanks For The Help, You Do Have Great Tech Links, And I Will Check Them Out Further... Thanks For The Help, And Sorry For All The Yelling...

I'll Get Some More Pics Posted Here I A Few Days...

 

[Fullsizeyota]

and Fullsizeyota dont bring up how many post you have, there will always be some one with more

do people have a hard time reading what i write? seriously, i meant i was going to STOP postin in the thread BEFORE i have more post than cam does in his own thread... maybe it didnt come out right

 

[Franky40]

Chris, I think maybe some people don't understand your sense of humor or sarcasm. I know that you have offended me at least once, but that was before I realized who it was. I think you make some very good points and I am going to try to make sure he incorporates them into his new design. This is an untested and untried endeavor on his part and he is looking for advice and insights from those that have been down this road before. He wants his design to be unique, but at the same time use the vast knowledge that is available here in the forums. Criticism and bashing don't help anyone, and constructive criticism needs to be delivered in a tactful manner. I am truly amazed at the knowledge, talent and inventive spirit that you younger guys have, you, Jared, Jason, Cam, and everybody else are doing things that I would never have dreamed of at your age, AND USUALLY DOING IT WELL! Let me repeat, He is asking for advice and ideas, hopefully from some of our more experienced members. Let's all try to act like the community we are and provide that. Thanks for listening, if ya did.(rant off.)

 

[Fullsizeyota]

Chris, I think maybe some people don't understand your sense of humor or sarcasm. I know that you have offended me at least once, but that was before I realized who it was.

now thats just funny


seriously, i know Cam has good ideas. he is more than willing to try anything which is good, and also is good for a show when your out in Moab or even beatin around here on local trails.... now if his truck will hold together through his "try anything" attitude we'll have some really cool pictures


Like you said Alan, there is a vast amount of knowledge on these boards, i contribute nothing to these boards, i mainly lurk and keep quiet... but there is SOOOOO much info from other people who have done this, or who run shops, or run competitions.... there is so much experience out there, that there is no reason this shouldn't work...if it fails, its from not readin enough..... litterally thousands or people have done this, and there are parameters that work and some that don't. in my opinion, there is no reason for this to not work when it's done. this probably isn't sounding like i want but i hope you get the idea...

everyone cool now? i didnt mean to come off in a negative way, all though thats how everyone in this thread interpreted it.

 

[Mace]

now thats just funny


seriously, i know Cam has good ideas. he is more than willing to try anything which is good, and also is good for a show when your out in Moab or even beatin around here on local trails.... now if his truck will hold together through his "try anything" attitude we'll have some really cool pictures


Like you said Alan, there is a vast amount of knowledge on these boards, i contribute nothing to these boards, i mainly lurk and keep quiet... but there is SOOOOO much info from other people who have done this, or who run shops, or run competitions.... there is so much experience out there, that there is no reason this shouldn't work...if it fails, its from not readin enough..... litterally thousands or people have done this, and there are parameters that work and some that don't. in my opinion, there is no reason for this to not work when it's done. this probably isn't sounding like i want but i hope you get the idea...

everyone cool now? i didnt mean to come off in a negative way, all though thats how everyone in this thread interpreted it.

I still want to know why .250 wall pipe is so much weaker than .250 wall tubing of the same diameter..

 

[bustanutley]

I'll try and grab the numbers out of our book tomorrow just for you mace, I doubt the difference is really much more than HREW to DOM.

I have a friend that built his front links out of sch 80, no problems with breakage, but he did bend one of his links, no big whoop though.