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freshspecbluegt

freshspecbluegt

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Hi all,

I've been searching the starting threads and have a few questions.

Earlier today truck started fine, after visiting the hardware store the truck won't start. I get towed home.

When I turn the key nothing happens, no click, nothing. Did notice red light on voltmeter while trying to start. With the key in "on" position scangauge reads 12.1 volts. Saw mid to high 14's with engine running. Is this too low to crank the starter? First time I have had any starting issues. No intermittent or hot start issues, tried fiddling with shifter while trying to crank still nothing



Thinking I may need to rebuild the starter, I pulled it off the truck. When I unhooked the ground connector the ground connector slipped off the wire as moved it to the side (no i wasn't pulling on the wire;)). There is a crimp on the end of the wire and what looks like a little corrosion but I can't tell how the wire is connected. I can't really see anything broken inside the connector. Is there a spade at the end of the ground wire that connects to the ground connector? I'm thinking that this may be a significant contributing factor to the starting problem. Starter is remanufacturered OEM with 50,000 miles, time for rebuild?

Well my plan right now is the following:
Check battery
Replace fusible links
Rebuild starter since it's already out
Replace ground connector.

EDIT: 1995 LC

Any advice would be appreciated.

Ross
 
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Always good to know what year vehicle we're talking about, eh? Heh.

DougM
 
Sorry, its a '95
 
Check to see if it starts with the gear selector in neutral. Mine did the same thing so I bypassed the Neutral Safety Switch. I lost cruise control, but I rarely used it anyway.
Tusk
 
It did, make sure to replace both big power wires even if only one is broken. I replaced the one that was broken and had to go back later and replace the other one, that had broken by that time. You cant tell they are broken (at least in my case) until you take apart the connector.

The easy way to validate this is have someone jiggle the connector while you try and start it
 
Cool, thanks.

Jack
 
What about the ground connector to the starter, I'll see if I can post pics shortly, but how can I replace this?
It comes off the main loom, my local toyota dealer had no idea how to source it, especially with a pigtail so it can be spliced back on. Dan is out of town hunting till wednesday. Any ideas? The only idea I got was to go to a wrecking yard and cut it off and splice it, don't know how many wrecking yards will let you cut up the the wiring harness.
 
freshspecbluegt said:
What about the ground connector to the starter, I'll see if I can post pics shortly, but how can I replace this?
It comes off the main loom, my local toyota dealer had no idea how to source it, especially with a pigtail so it can be spliced back on. Dan is out of town hunting till wednesday. Any ideas? The only idea I got was to go to a wrecking yard and cut it off and splice it, don't know how many wrecking yards will let you cut up the the wiring harness.
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Have you measured this with a meter to show its faulty? If not why replace it.

I wouldn't do anything unless you know its faulty.
 
Ken,

The connector fell off of the wire and the inside is full of corrosion, as is the remaining peice on the end of the wire. Right now what I am left with is a crimp on the end of the wire with no way to connect it to the connector.
I couldn't get any great pictures of what Is left but let me see about posting what I have.

Ross
 
If the connector fell off at where it connects to the starter, you can get crimp on connectors at NAPA.

see if you can cut the end off, and strip the wire back. If there is not sufficient length, you should be able to bypass the harness and just connect a new cable to the block.
 
O.K. pictures uploaded, first is the connector as its supposed to look and the second two are what I am left with in the end of the wire. As I said the inside of the connector is completely corroded and what ever connection did exist has broken off. Am I going to need to take the female end of the connector off of the starter and rewire a different type of plug?

Ross
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connector back.jpg
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Just to clarify, there is no ground connector on the starter. It is grounded directly to the block. There are 2 connectors that supply positive voltage. The big one is bolted to the starter and supplies voltage directly from the battery. It is hidden under a rubber boot. The little black connector that clips in to the starter is the one that tells the starter to engage when the key is in the start position. There is a factory wire splice available for this connector. I believe it's the same one as used in the NSS repair. (82998-12480)
 
Whoops, would have helped if I was describing this properly!! Let me see what I can find out about that splice thanks for the P/N. I'm obvioulsy rank low on the banana scale, but trying to climb!

Thanks

Ross
 
You should be able to source the splice and connector from a toyota dealer. Now that I see it, you might also find out if a junk yard has a similar year 80 and go cut it off and splice it in.
 
The plastic connector is reusable, and is also fairly common on a lot of Toyota models. I found a spare on a Matrix wiring harness. The splice is a few dollars at a dealer (most likely special order). I would order a new splice, solder it into the harness and reuse the connector if its still in good shape. If not you can order one of those too.
 
Thanks for all the input guys, I think I found what I needed once I started reading through the wire harness repair manual. Page 15 was what my toyota dealer didn't know. I matched up the right repair wire (pg. 356) and got them ordered, will be here tomorrow should be straightforward from here on out.

Thanks again,

Ross
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