Your YT 2012 Official Wheeling Schedule
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There is no doubt about that. It's a problem you dealt with for years and I was closer to seeing it myself last Fall since I had become a little more involved with club operations as an NEA rep. I commend anyone who has ever taken on the role of trail leader.
I have been a leader on some ENH runs in the last few months and have even started putting my own runs together. I now feel I have enough experience to do it for YT and will be glad to volunteer this year. I even would like to see a more challenging Class 6 run to show off some of our state's more challenging stuff and get people into some different routes than those that have been run many times in the past. I would put it together if I thought there was any real interest. It won't be for stockers or beginners
A lot of us go to the FG to wheel with friends and you don't always get to do that as a leader. People's driving skills improve over time and then we start building our rigs to do harder stuff. Some don't even leave Gretchen's to wheel anymore since they prefer to wheel out back and many don't have a street legal rig. Some just want to come and go from out back on their own clock. It is understandably hard to pull leaders out of that group and I don't have a problem with that.
One advantage of having a 3 day event is that people could lead a group one day and get to wheel with their friends on another. Even at 2 days it might be easier to get someone to lead a group one day if they knew they would have the chance to go with their friends on another. The FG is really only a 2 day wheeling event with the others being more social in nature. If the weather is good, there are always a few hardy souls who do go out back for a bit more fun before heading home.
Due to the size of the event there has to be some organization for certain runs. But some runs last year were unattended or had no leader and got consolidated. Do you think some people would have an interest on going out on some runs on their own without a designated leader?
The trails down on the power lines have been run ad infinitum. Why couldn't you just let 1 or 2 groups go there on their own or even Waumbus. There's probably people in those lineups that could get the group to and from those areas without officially being a leader.
Maybe a trail leader could get a special perk besides the volunteer raffle? A lot of folks complain about the cost of the FG, maybe they'd be willing to lead a run in exchange for a discount?
Just some radical thoughts. I'm sure I will have more if I continue to think about it. Blah, Blah, Blah
rain76king
Wicked Pissah Cruisah Haulah a NLC.
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Larry,
The NEA was granted use of the land to help raise money for the NEA.
To help protect the landowners from any liabilities of course the NEA would have participants sign NEA waivers since it's the NEA's event.
When you come to Gretchen's you sign a YT waiver, get a YT shirt and sticker.
I can ask around at the NEA meeting in March but I'm pretty sure that's been done before.
I do know they only want the property wheeled 4 to 5 times a year and I'm pretty sure that quota has been met.
There's a lot of new properties on our schedule this year to check out.
There's also the land that you Larry have the inside track on.
There's also the opportunity to cut both more challenging trails at Kina's as well as more stock friendly.
Let's stick to what we have now at the moment ,and let's reevaluate it in the fall before we go any further with trying to obtain land.
rain76king
Wicked Pissah Cruisah Haulah a NLC.
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There is no doubt about that. It's a problem you dealt with for years and I was closer to seeing it myself last Fall since I had become a little more involved with club operations as an NEA rep. I commend anyone who has ever taken on the role of trail leader.
I have been a leader on some ENH runs in the last few months and have even started putting my own runs together. I now feel I have enough experience to do it for YT and will be glad to volunteer this year. I even would like to see a more challenging Class 6 run to show off some of our state's more challenging stuff and get people into some different routes than those that have been run many times in the past. I would put it together if I thought there was any real interest. It won't be for stockers or beginners
A lot of us go to the FG to wheel with friends and you don't always get to do that as a leader. People's driving skills improve over time and then we start building our rigs to do harder stuff. Some don't even leave Gretchen's to wheel anymore since they prefer to wheel out back and many don't have a street legal rig. Some just want to come and go from out back on their own clock. It is understandably hard to pull leaders out of that group and I don't have a problem with that.
One advantage of having a 3 day event is that people could lead a group one day and get to wheel with their friends on another. Even at 2 days it might be easier to get someone to lead a group one day if they knew they would have the chance to go with their friends on another. The FG is really only a 2 day wheeling event with the others being more social in nature. If the weather is good, there are always a few hardy souls who do go out back for a bit more fun before heading home.
Due to the size of the event there has to be some organization for certain runs. But some runs last year were unattended or had no leader and got consolidated. Do you think some people would have an interest on going out on some runs on their own without a designated leader?
The trails down on the power lines have been run ad infinitum. Why couldn't you just let 1 or 2 groups go there on their own or even Waumbus. There's probably people in those lineups that could get the group to and from those areas without officially being a leader.
Maybe a trail leader could get a special perk besides the volunteer raffle? A lot of folks complain about the cost of the FG, maybe they'd be willing to lead a run in exchange for a discount?
Just some radical thoughts. I'm sure I will have more if I continue to think about it. Blah, Blah, Blah
Always need volunteers and I'm glad your feeling more confident running groups.
As far as extending the FG I'm not opposed to it.
It's something I or the club should look into once there's more club volunteers filling officer positions.
At this point there's 4 or 5 people to plan a large scale event.
There's tons of little details that get taken care of for the FG that are time consuming as is with a full BOD but for just a few it will be an overwhelming amount of work.
Your BOD is already working on creating incentives to drop costs for those willing to participate in trail leading .
I'm more than comfortable and confident that Jonathan will also be able to spearhead some of the issues we have had with the trail runs.
As far as no designated leaders, I feel like this could be a liability.
Someone gets lost and goes down a wrong trail and upsets a local land owner or some like scenario happens, we'll be the club that screwed things up and I'm not willing to let that happen to us, there's already enough problems in those neighborhoods.
There aren't any leaders out back at Gretchen's.
The Friday run (I forget the trail's # designation) was just you and I and Jonathan at the power lines to do Carnage. There was another group doing the power lines which is the access point to get to Carnage. I think any one of us could have brought a group down to that area. (However, I'm not sure I would have told that lady that we were going south when we went north - who was lost there? LOL.)
The club has a variety of runs in various areas, Class 6 roads and more difficult that are off the property at Gretchen's. We seem to drive 15 to 25 miles to get to all of them. There are very detailed maps for every one of them. Following a map seems simple to me. Maybe we should add some GPS coordinates to those maps to make it even easier?
I would hope that there are enough of us in the club who would be willing to step up to the plate to lead some of the more traditional trails that are easy to follow without being formally recognized as a a trail leader. If I was in the trail 5 line and you asked me at the last minute if I would lead trail 3, I'd say yes. I suspect I'm not the only one.
The Friday run (I forget the trail's # designation) was just you and I and Jonathan at the power lines to do Carnage. There was another group doing the power lines which is the access point to get to Carnage. I think any one of us could have brought a group down to that area. (However, I'm not sure I would have told that lady that we were going south when we went north - who was lost there? LOL.)
The club has a variety of runs in various areas, Class 6 roads and more difficult that are off the property at Gretchen's. We seem to drive 15 to 25 miles to get to all of them. There are very detailed maps for every one of them. Following a map seems simple to me. Maybe we should add some GPS coordinates to those maps to make it even easier?
I would hope that there are enough of us in the club who would be willing to step up to the plate to lead some of the more traditional trails that are easy to follow without being formally recognized as a a trail leader. If I was in the trail 5 line and you asked me at the last minute if I would lead trail 3, I'd say yes. I suspect I'm not the only one.
rain76king
Wicked Pissah Cruisah Haulah a NLC.
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There's no need for leaders outback at Gretchen's.
As far as telling the Lady where we were going, we were going to go in one direction, but had a last minute change due to the trail conditions if I remember correctly.
Regardless we were not breaking any laws or trespassing so moot point, unless you just continuing to try and get under my skin.
I would prefer not to hand people maps and GPS coordinates of trails and then just send them on their way. It's a club event and should be run by the club.
I know we had issues with it last year and the year before but I'm hoping that some people will step up or we can find a better way to run it.
As far as making it easier for our trail leaders I bought Overland Navigator with New England maps. I'm hoping that this year Jonathan and I may be able to run a few trails and record our tracks and print them. It may help with a set of directions as well.
The real issue is the trails are never pre run so often times the markers that are on the directions are not there.
This happened a few times on the trailride I went on Sat.
As far as telling the Lady where we were going, we were going to go in one direction, but had a last minute change due to the trail conditions if I remember correctly.
Regardless we were not breaking any laws or trespassing so moot point, unless you just continuing to try and get under my skin.
I would prefer not to hand people maps and GPS coordinates of trails and then just send them on their way. It's a club event and should be run by the club.
I know we had issues with it last year and the year before but I'm hoping that some people will step up or we can find a better way to run it.
As far as making it easier for our trail leaders I bought Overland Navigator with New England maps. I'm hoping that this year Jonathan and I may be able to run a few trails and record our tracks and print them. It may help with a set of directions as well.
The real issue is the trails are never pre run so often times the markers that are on the directions are not there.
This happened a few times on the trailride I went on Sat.
I'm just going to say that for participants when we go "off property" (Gretchen's) I think it's reasonable to expect the Trail Leaders to know where they're going / pre-run the trails.
I admit this is a "sore subject" for me... My first YTFG was *GREAT* bc the "stock-friendly" trail-leader knew exactly where he was going AND he was fantastic about the fact the people behind him were newbies. I've heard about other stock-friendly runs where people had a very different (bad) experience. People not knowing the trails / not being sensitive to the fact that the people behind them were newbies.
Ditto re. off-property runs that were "moderate" and not just NH Class VI roads...
Note: I love this group / YTFG!!! I *know* that YTFG is led by volunteers!!! (Thank you!!!) My observations are intended to be entirely constructive!
I admit this is a "sore subject" for me... My first YTFG was *GREAT* bc the "stock-friendly" trail-leader knew exactly where he was going AND he was fantastic about the fact the people behind him were newbies. I've heard about other stock-friendly runs where people had a very different (bad) experience. People not knowing the trails / not being sensitive to the fact that the people behind them were newbies.
Ditto re. off-property runs that were "moderate" and not just NH Class VI roads...
Note: I love this group / YTFG!!! I *know* that YTFG is led by volunteers!!! (Thank you!!!) My observations are intended to be entirely constructive!
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rain76king
Wicked Pissah Cruisah Haulah a NLC.
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I'm feeling pretty positive that this won't be a problem this year.
There's been plenty of learning through experiences here, last year I realized that we just about covered everything but Trail Leaders.
Seemed silly to me after the fact that we neglected the most important part of the whole event!
There's been plenty of learning through experiences here, last year I realized that we just about covered everything but Trail Leaders.
Seemed silly to me after the fact that we neglected the most important part of the whole event!
Dave,I remember going on a stock run you led a couple years ago at the FG. I think everyone had a good time. You challenged the newbies without getting anyone in over their head. Are you going to be able to make the event this year?
Where is Mass at if some of us come down from NH to wheel on the private or public trails? Do we need a sticker for public or private? What's the fee?
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rain76king
Wicked Pissah Cruisah Haulah a NLC.
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Talked about this with Rick this weekend at the NEA meeting.
I'm going to go through the process myself and report back.
If there's a way that I can go to the RMV and register everyone I will.
You want look into NH sticker OHV details for us out of state folks?
I'm going to go through the process myself and report back.
If there's a way that I can go to the RMV and register everyone I will.
You want look into NH sticker OHV details for us out of state folks?
You can also mail in the registration for the MA sticker...
www.mass.gov/dfwele/dle/registrationtitlingform.pdf
Mail it and payment to:
Division of Law Enforcement
Boating & Recreational Vehicles
165 Liberty St
Springfield, MA 01103
I was told you check off the ATV box and fill in vehicle info. I think you have to provide copies of your reg and insurance too. I would call and ask or just send it in and they will send it back with instructions if something is missing.
I haven't done it yet myself as I haven't wheeled in MA in a little while... will be going for it soon though.
NH OHV permits are required only for non-registered vehicles. If you have a plate and the paperwork and it is current that is all you need. We got stopped last year and that is all they checked.
Eric
www.mass.gov/dfwele/dle/registrationtitlingform.pdf
Mail it and payment to:
Division of Law Enforcement
Boating & Recreational Vehicles
165 Liberty St
Springfield, MA 01103
I was told you check off the ATV box and fill in vehicle info. I think you have to provide copies of your reg and insurance too. I would call and ask or just send it in and they will send it back with instructions if something is missing.
I haven't done it yet myself as I haven't wheeled in MA in a little while... will be going for it soon though.
NH OHV permits are required only for non-registered vehicles. If you have a plate and the paperwork and it is current that is all you need. We got stopped last year and that is all they checked.
Eric
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I'd be happy to do that, but it is news to me that you need an OHRV (NH's designation) in NH. I haven't seen one on a motor vehicle up here, just quads, m/c's, etc. Basically small off road toys. I doubt there's any enforcement if you are not street legal if you are on private proterty. Hatch would know.
rain76king
Wicked Pissah Cruisah Haulah a NLC.
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I think you need one for Buggy's. I remember reading that pre Fall Gathering for unregistered vehicles on unmaintained roads.
rain76king
Wicked Pissah Cruisah Haulah a NLC.
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Found it and cut and pasted it from the NEA site-
So are "rock buggys" or non street registered 4x4s legal for use in NH?
While street registered 4x4s are a bit of a legal gray area when used off of public highways (private land), when a 4x4 is not registered for street use, it is then classified as an OHRV per RSA 215 A:1 Chapter VI
Per 215-A:21 Chapter II "no OHRV shall be operated in this state unless registered as provided in this chapter. No registration shall be required for an OHRV operated solely on land owned or leased by the owner of the OHRV."
Does my street registered 4x4 require an OHRV Sticker?
The registered part of the 215-A:21 Chapter II (above) is the gray area where street registered 4x4s are not required to obtain an OHRV sticker for use on Private Land.
What about traveling Class 6 Roads with my OHRV "buggy"?
Town selectman can authorize the use of OHRVs on town roads per RSA 215-A:6 Chapter IX. Pursuant to RSA 215-A:15. Per the above information a 4x4 non registered vehicle a.k.a. "buggy" is an OHRV.
Next you'll need to find towns that allow OHRVs on their town roads, and you'll need to know which type of roads are open to OHRVs (Class 4, 5, and/or 6). You will not be able to drive on "ATV" trails (Class 4, 5, or 6 highways open to OHRV use are not trails) with a buggy that is registered as an OHRV.
So how do I register my "Buggy" as an OHRV?
First you'll need to buy an OHRV sticker a.k.a. "ATV" sticker. The locations that sell these stickers are listed here:
http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/OHRV/oh ... t_list.htm
If this is the first time you are registering your 4x4 you will need some type of title or bill of sale. While most true "buggys" don't have anything left of the original body or the VIN plate, the engines do have a VIN and this can be used as the buggy's ID.
Every year after, you will be able to use the previous year's registration.
What about safety equipment?
NH does not require the use of seatblets for people 18 or over, however if you have a "buggy",you'd be foolish not to have and use these!
While the speeds obtained on true "buggy" trails wouldn't require eye protection, while operating at speeds legal on Class VI roads (defined below) eye protection is strongly advised. Per RSA 215-A:13-a any person under the age of 18 IS required to wear protective headgear and eye protection when operating (driving) an OHRV.
Lights are NOT required UNLESS you are out driving 30minutes before dawn or 30minutes after dusk you will need at least one head light and one tail light Per RSA RSA 215 A:1 Chapter I.
Good brakes are also required per RSA 215-A:14 Chapter I (2). This RSA required the braking system to stop an OHRV 40 feet at 20 miles per hour, or locking the tires to a standstill.
Per RSA 215-A:14 exhaust system are also required on all OHRVs. Open headers or no muffler can result in fines. More informaiton on sound levels per year of manufacture is listed here under RSA 215-A:12:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/htm ... 5-A-12.htm
How fast can I travel on Class 6 roads that allow OHRV travel.
First and foremost, always travel a speed that is safe for the terrain you are driving. The speeds as defined per RSA 215-A:6 Chapter III for an OHRV are as follows:
RSA 215-A:6 Chapter III.
(a) No person shall operate an OHRV at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the existing conditions and without regard for actual and potential hazards. In all cases speed shall be controlled so that the operator will be able to avoid colliding with any person, vehicle, or object.
(b) Where no hazards exist which would require a lower speed to comply with subparagraph (a), the speed of any OHRV in excess of the limit specified in this section shall be prima facie evidence that the speed is not reasonable or prudent and that it is unlawful:
(1) 10 miles per hour within 150 feet of any so-called bob-house, fishing shanty or occupied fishing hole of another.
(2) 10 miles per hour on class I through VI highways when the OHRV is being operated within the rights-of-way adjacent to such highways; town or city sidewalks; class IV, V, and VI highways approved for OHRV operation; and bridges open for OHRV operation.
(3) 10 miles per hour at trail junctions or parking lots, or when passing trail grooming equipment.
(4) 15 miles per hour on plowed roads on department of resources and economic development property open to OHRV operation.
(5) 35 miles per hour on all trail connectors.
(6) 45 miles per hour when operating an OHRV or snowmobile on any approved OHRV trail.
(c) The prima facie speed limits set forth in subparagraph (b) may be altered for a specific hazard.
(d) The driver of every OHRV shall, consistent with the requirements of subparagraph (a), drive at an appropriate reduced speed when approaching and crossing an intersection or railway grade crossing, when approaching and going around a curve, when approaching a hillcrest, when traveling upon any narrow or winding trail, and when a special hazard exists with respect to pedestrians or other traffic by reason of weather or trail conditions.
So are "rock buggys" or non street registered 4x4s legal for use in NH?
While street registered 4x4s are a bit of a legal gray area when used off of public highways (private land), when a 4x4 is not registered for street use, it is then classified as an OHRV per RSA 215 A:1 Chapter VI
Per 215-A:21 Chapter II "no OHRV shall be operated in this state unless registered as provided in this chapter. No registration shall be required for an OHRV operated solely on land owned or leased by the owner of the OHRV."
Does my street registered 4x4 require an OHRV Sticker?
The registered part of the 215-A:21 Chapter II (above) is the gray area where street registered 4x4s are not required to obtain an OHRV sticker for use on Private Land.
What about traveling Class 6 Roads with my OHRV "buggy"?
Town selectman can authorize the use of OHRVs on town roads per RSA 215-A:6 Chapter IX. Pursuant to RSA 215-A:15. Per the above information a 4x4 non registered vehicle a.k.a. "buggy" is an OHRV.
Next you'll need to find towns that allow OHRVs on their town roads, and you'll need to know which type of roads are open to OHRVs (Class 4, 5, and/or 6). You will not be able to drive on "ATV" trails (Class 4, 5, or 6 highways open to OHRV use are not trails) with a buggy that is registered as an OHRV.
So how do I register my "Buggy" as an OHRV?
First you'll need to buy an OHRV sticker a.k.a. "ATV" sticker. The locations that sell these stickers are listed here:
http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/OHRV/oh ... t_list.htm
If this is the first time you are registering your 4x4 you will need some type of title or bill of sale. While most true "buggys" don't have anything left of the original body or the VIN plate, the engines do have a VIN and this can be used as the buggy's ID.
Every year after, you will be able to use the previous year's registration.
What about safety equipment?
NH does not require the use of seatblets for people 18 or over, however if you have a "buggy",you'd be foolish not to have and use these!
While the speeds obtained on true "buggy" trails wouldn't require eye protection, while operating at speeds legal on Class VI roads (defined below) eye protection is strongly advised. Per RSA 215-A:13-a any person under the age of 18 IS required to wear protective headgear and eye protection when operating (driving) an OHRV.
Lights are NOT required UNLESS you are out driving 30minutes before dawn or 30minutes after dusk you will need at least one head light and one tail light Per RSA RSA 215 A:1 Chapter I.
Good brakes are also required per RSA 215-A:14 Chapter I (2). This RSA required the braking system to stop an OHRV 40 feet at 20 miles per hour, or locking the tires to a standstill.
Per RSA 215-A:14 exhaust system are also required on all OHRVs. Open headers or no muffler can result in fines. More informaiton on sound levels per year of manufacture is listed here under RSA 215-A:12:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/htm ... 5-A-12.htm
How fast can I travel on Class 6 roads that allow OHRV travel.
First and foremost, always travel a speed that is safe for the terrain you are driving. The speeds as defined per RSA 215-A:6 Chapter III for an OHRV are as follows:
RSA 215-A:6 Chapter III.
(a) No person shall operate an OHRV at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the existing conditions and without regard for actual and potential hazards. In all cases speed shall be controlled so that the operator will be able to avoid colliding with any person, vehicle, or object.
(b) Where no hazards exist which would require a lower speed to comply with subparagraph (a), the speed of any OHRV in excess of the limit specified in this section shall be prima facie evidence that the speed is not reasonable or prudent and that it is unlawful:
(1) 10 miles per hour within 150 feet of any so-called bob-house, fishing shanty or occupied fishing hole of another.
(2) 10 miles per hour on class I through VI highways when the OHRV is being operated within the rights-of-way adjacent to such highways; town or city sidewalks; class IV, V, and VI highways approved for OHRV operation; and bridges open for OHRV operation.
(3) 10 miles per hour at trail junctions or parking lots, or when passing trail grooming equipment.
(4) 15 miles per hour on plowed roads on department of resources and economic development property open to OHRV operation.
(5) 35 miles per hour on all trail connectors.
(6) 45 miles per hour when operating an OHRV or snowmobile on any approved OHRV trail.
(c) The prima facie speed limits set forth in subparagraph (b) may be altered for a specific hazard.
(d) The driver of every OHRV shall, consistent with the requirements of subparagraph (a), drive at an appropriate reduced speed when approaching and crossing an intersection or railway grade crossing, when approaching and going around a curve, when approaching a hillcrest, when traveling upon any narrow or winding trail, and when a special hazard exists with respect to pedestrians or other traffic by reason of weather or trail conditions.
The laws in NH are very ambiguous at best. I've found this.
"The New Hampshire Fish & Game Department is responsible for OHRV registrations,
OHRV safety education, and is the primary OHRV law enforcement agency in New
Hampshire. (Please note, all law enforcement officers in New Hampshire are empowered
to enforce OHRV laws.) For questions regarding OHRV registrations and agent locations,
OHRV laws, or OHRV Safety Education Courses, please contact the New Hampshire Fish &
Game Department (contact information below).
Current New Hampshire registration fees: Resident ATV - $55.00; Resident trail bike -
$46.00; Non-resident ATV - $74.00; Non-resident trail bike - $65.00. Funds from registrations
are used to build and maintain OHRV trails in New Hampshire."
The above refers to ATV's and Trail Bikes.
And then there is this:
{OHRV Definition
New Hampshire law defines an OHRV as “any mechanically propelled vehicle used for pleasure
or recreational purposes running on rubber tires, belts, cleats, tracks, skis or cushion of air and
dependent on the ground or surface for travel, or other unimproved terrain whether covered by
ice or snow or not, where the operator sits in or on the vehicle” RSA 215-A:1, VI. The definition
obviously covers, among other things, snowmobiles (referred to in the statute as “snow traveling
vehicles”), all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) and off-road motorcycles. However, the statute also
states that the definition includes all other legally registered motor vehicles “when used for off
highway recreational purposes.”
http://www.nh.gov/oep/resourcelibra...gulationofOff-HighwayRecreationalVehicles.pdf}
I don't think any law enforcement agency is going to show up at Gretchen's and cry foul. Just my opinion. If you have an unregistered vehicle that you trailered over to run the trails in Swanzey or Troy, you might have a problem and need an OHRV sticker. Even with that, you could run afoul of the law if you were on public land (class 6) at any time where you should be legally registered.
I think Scott Hatch would be the best source for info this at the moment. There was an NEA idea about getting NH to issue OHRV stickers for a fee to motor vehicles other than ATV's and motorcycles in exchange for some more wheeling opportunities on OHRV designated areas. IMO, the government will always win on the $ end and the Snowmobile lobby will win out over allowing wheeled vehicle access.
Despite the fact that NH probably has the most available public wheeling opportunities in New England, perhaps in the entire Northeast, there aren't many organized clubs to defend our rights. If there are, they don't seem to be focused in that area. That's too bad, since it could all disappear in a heartbeat.
"The New Hampshire Fish & Game Department is responsible for OHRV registrations,
OHRV safety education, and is the primary OHRV law enforcement agency in New
Hampshire. (Please note, all law enforcement officers in New Hampshire are empowered
to enforce OHRV laws.) For questions regarding OHRV registrations and agent locations,
OHRV laws, or OHRV Safety Education Courses, please contact the New Hampshire Fish &
Game Department (contact information below).
Current New Hampshire registration fees: Resident ATV - $55.00; Resident trail bike -
$46.00; Non-resident ATV - $74.00; Non-resident trail bike - $65.00. Funds from registrations
are used to build and maintain OHRV trails in New Hampshire."
The above refers to ATV's and Trail Bikes.
And then there is this:
{OHRV Definition
New Hampshire law defines an OHRV as “any mechanically propelled vehicle used for pleasure
or recreational purposes running on rubber tires, belts, cleats, tracks, skis or cushion of air and
dependent on the ground or surface for travel, or other unimproved terrain whether covered by
ice or snow or not, where the operator sits in or on the vehicle” RSA 215-A:1, VI. The definition
obviously covers, among other things, snowmobiles (referred to in the statute as “snow traveling
vehicles”), all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) and off-road motorcycles. However, the statute also
states that the definition includes all other legally registered motor vehicles “when used for off
highway recreational purposes.”
http://www.nh.gov/oep/resourcelibra...gulationofOff-HighwayRecreationalVehicles.pdf}
I don't think any law enforcement agency is going to show up at Gretchen's and cry foul. Just my opinion. If you have an unregistered vehicle that you trailered over to run the trails in Swanzey or Troy, you might have a problem and need an OHRV sticker. Even with that, you could run afoul of the law if you were on public land (class 6) at any time where you should be legally registered.
I think Scott Hatch would be the best source for info this at the moment. There was an NEA idea about getting NH to issue OHRV stickers for a fee to motor vehicles other than ATV's and motorcycles in exchange for some more wheeling opportunities on OHRV designated areas. IMO, the government will always win on the $ end and the Snowmobile lobby will win out over allowing wheeled vehicle access.
Despite the fact that NH probably has the most available public wheeling opportunities in New England, perhaps in the entire Northeast, there aren't many organized clubs to defend our rights. If there are, they don't seem to be focused in that area. That's too bad, since it could all disappear in a heartbeat.
rain76king
Wicked Pissah Cruisah Haulah a NLC.
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Larry - My cut and paste in post #55 is from Scott Hatch.
I'll try to remember to check with NH F&G next time I'm in the vicinity of the HQ. Maybe I can speak to someone who can provide their viewpoint as to what is required under the law. They are the ones charged with enforcement.
rain76king
Wicked Pissah Cruisah Haulah a NLC.
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Thanks Larry.
