Write-up: Toss the LSPV and install a manual proportioning valve

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**I haven't tested this on the road yet since my truck is on jack stands, working on a knuckle rebuild. But I did test the system and so far no leaks**

After fighting with my rusted-to-hell LSPV and trying to adjust it, I got fed up and decided to get rid of it. Debated and bypassing it and running 50/50 but finally settled on a manual proportioning valve to give me some control. My truck would nose-dive pretty bad during braking so I knew my front brakes were doing most of the work.

I'll try to make this short and sweet. There's more than one way to skin a cat, but this is mine :)

Toyota brake lines are 4.75mm OD and the fittings have a M10x1.0 thread. The flare is "double flare" also called "inverted" flare. The fittings on the left are on all the misc hardware (LSPV, tees, elbows, etc). The fitting on the right is on the master cylinder and ABS unit. They will leak if interchanged (so I read).

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PARTS USED:

Wilwood 260-12627. It's threaded in M10x1.0 but the ports are bubble flare, not inverted flare. More on this later.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-260-12627

Two of these 12" lines with the M10 inverted flare fittings. You should be able to find these at any local parts store
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/d....oap?ck=Search_N0834_-1_-1&pt=N0834&ppt=C0066

One of these, just for the nut fittings. The tubing was not used
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/AGS1/PAE308.oap?ck=Search_pae308_-1_-1&keyword=pae308

I used a small L-shaped metal bracket and attached the valve to an existing bolt on the ABS pump.

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Here's the stock configuration of the lines. Start by unbolting 1, 2 and 3. 1 is the "OUT" port to the rear brakes. 3 goes underneath the MC into a tee fitting which then goes back to port #2. The other side of the tee feeds the other line to the LSPV...not sure what this one does, a bypass of sorts? Sensing line? The entire lines 2 and 3 will not be used.

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The tee fitting underneath the MC. This whole thing gets scrapped. Remove it and unbolt all the ports.

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Another look at the tee underneath the MC

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One of the lines coming out of the tee goes down in the driver's side wheel well goes to this elbow bolted to the frame. Undo all this. Keep the elbow and cut off the bracket if you want, I did. This line running along the frame to the back of the truck will be scrapped. Leave it in place or try and fish it out.

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Remove all the LSPV junk. You'll have some fun here. Cuss words are your friend. Bolt the main two lines together using the elbow we just removed from the wheel well. You can blow into the line at the wheel well to find out which line you're keeping and which one you're scrapping.

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Back in the engine bay it's time to get to work. Connect one of the 12" M10 INVERTED flare lines to port #1 pictured above. As mentioned, the Wilwood valve has bubble flare ports. So you'll need to cut off the other end, use one of the nuts from the M10 BUBBLE flare line, and reflare the line for a bubble flare. I used a cheap $20 kit from a local store and it worked fine, no leaks. The newly flared line will go to the IN port of the Wilwood valve.

Now take the stock line that was connected to port #1, cut off the end and reflare like discussed above using the M10 BUBBLE flare fitting. This goes to the OUT port of the Wilwood valve.

Take the 2nd 12" M10 INVERTED flare line and connect ports #2 and #3.

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And that's it! Easy right? Can't wait to get this thing back on the road and finally have some rear brakes!

Let me know if you guys have any questions, I'll do my best to answer them :beer:
 
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^ There you go folks, get to save $1.94 vs Summit :D

A bit of an update, finished everything last night, bled the brakes and gave it a few test runs. I tried with the valve fully open with no reduction. I'm assuming that would be running 50/50? Got up to about 40mph then slammed on the brakes as hard as I could without easing up.

It stopped sooooooooooo much better than before. I could actually feel the intense pulsating of the ABS system as the pedal went down, something I never felt before when I last tested my brakes.

I did notice a bit of side-to-side sway though while hard braking. Could that be that it has too much juice going to the rear discs? Or something to do with the lift?
 
^ There you go folks, get to save $1.94 vs Summit :D

A bit of an update, finished everything last night, bled the brakes and gave it a few test runs. I tried with the valve fully open with no reduction. I'm assuming that would be running 50/50? Got up to about 40mph then slammed on the brakes as hard as I could without easing up.

It stopped sooooooooooo much better than before. I could actually feel the intense pulsating of the ABS system as the pedal went down, something I never felt before when I last tested my brakes.

I did notice a bit of side-to-side sway though while hard braking. Could that be that it has too much juice going to the rear discs? Or something to do with the lift?

So are you saying that maybe just running the line straight without an adjustment valve might be a good setup?
 
Excellent write up. So are you going to leave it fully open or close it some?
Open for now I suppose, but I want to test it on a dirt road and have somebody watch the rear wheels to see if they're locking up separately from the front, then adjust from.

p.s. I have that tee ready for you :)
 
Ditching the ABS pump will be a cake-walk compared to the work you had to do to replace that LSPV. It will also clean up the spaghetti of brake lines under the hood. After seeing this, I am thinking of tackling it myself. I just did the ABS delete, but my brakes still suck. They need to be bleed again, but still there is a ton of brake fade. I didn't realize just how much brake line they put in our FJ80's until I saw your write-up :eek:

However, if your ABS is still working, it might not be beneficial to remove it. My ABS quit working years ago and I suspected the ABS pump had air in it. After removing it and not seeing much benefit, I am now suspecting the miles of brake line running to the LSPV & back.
 
I removed my LSPV many many years ago. Had to at the time, as it was playing up and I needed to tow the next day. But then completely forgot about fixing it. The braking is so much better. 8 pistons at the front vs 2 at back give its own proportioning. And as I'm running 35's (more inertia resistance) all 4 wheels lock up at the same time. The rear does not lock up before the front. Smaller tyres it may be possible. But it now brakes dead flat. No front diving down anymore and stops more like a roller coaster.

Ive found it to be better in every way including offroad.
 
Thanks for this writeup!! I have to replace the brake lines on mine b/c they're 345,xxx miles old and I just lifted. I am going to kill as many birds as I can, so I might dump the ABS and LSPV, replacing with all new lines all at once.

You dumped the valve, but ABS still fires. As I think about it, wouldn't sway/wandering come from the front and not the rear? I guess it could be either or both, but you're more likely to feel it from the front push than the rear pull as it stops.

It could also be tracking... or steering link angle. Gosh even bushings... IDK
 
will this help with towing . i seam to eat up front rotors from heat even with trailer brakes. i would like 50/50 stopping power.

It might, depends on a few things, including how the trailer puts weight on your cruiser, and if your rear brakes are working properly at the moment.

Thanks for doing this write up, it should be some where on my very long to-do list. With my airbag setup the height of my cruiser is inconsistent on a daily driving basis and the rear sits much higher then stock at present and my brakes despite new front rotors and 100 series pads are not great.
 
I bought a pressure gauge kit from Summitracing that will be used to test the brake PSI at each corner before I proceed. I need objective data before opening up the system or messing with the LSPV. Just need to find the time to take the 80 down for a week or so....
 
This is a great mod. I have done this to other rigs in the past also. Works very well.

One thing to keep in mind is that not only does the lspv adjust the rear braking pressure it ALSO
in case of a front brake line failure braking is seperated so you have full pressure to the rear brakes. This feature is s*** canned when it is removed. Not like this matters to a lot of ppl but it is the other feature of the LSPV
 
This is a great mod. I have done this to other rigs in the past also. Works very well.

One thing to keep in mind is that not only does the lspv adjust the rear braking pressure it ALSO
in case of a front brake line failure braking is seperated so you have full pressure to the rear brakes. This feature is s*** canned when it is removed. Not like this matters to a lot of ppl but it is the other feature of the LSPV

And if you get in an accident and an investigator sees that you modified a brake system outside of manufacturer limits, you are seriously screwed.

:meh:
 
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