You are a total (removed by pagemaster). The Prius is the most engineered and advance car Toyota has. It is their flagship.
Its the future of Toyota.
Price means nothing!
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would toyota go irs with the 200 ?
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You are a total (removed by pagemaster). The Prius is the most engineered and advance car Toyota has. It is their flagship.
Its the future of Toyota.
Price means nothing!
First off....you dont need make things personal by calling him a moron.
Second.....you are so wrong its not even funny anymore. These are press releases from Toyota USA. I suggest you read them.
Toyota USA Newsroom | Toyota's Flagship Four-Wheel Drive Vehicle Redesigned 2008 Toyota Land Cruiser – A Heritage Continues
Toyota USA Newsroom | Toyota Announces Pricing on 2011 Yaris, RAV4, Land Cruiser, Sequoia, Tundra, Camry, Camry Hybrid, Avalon, Sienna, and 2011 Scion xD
I also suggest you get a dictionary and learn the difference between what it means to engineer something and for something to be innovative, they are two entirely different things.
Spstdn,
I realize the press release says the Avalon is the flagship sedan which is true in the US, but not for the rest of the world.
I whole-heartedly apologize for that word. I don't want to make it personal, I am sorry.
hoser
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With both Pagemaster and Shotts posting here, the 200 forum is fugged 
Wow - non-Land Cruiser owners can be so sensitive! It's quite obvious that you simply don't understand what it means when the term 'flagship' is used. And there is nothing wrong with that unless you continue to deny reality and post incorrect information. I posted facts (although my Avalon reference was only NA-based) and even included links from Toyota indicating that the LC is their flagship 4wd yet you return with your misguided opinion and begin calling names. Brilliant.
Yes, sorry about that, I was being a bit narrow-minded and only referring to the NA market.
I notice it says, "flagship" 4WD vehicle, not "flagship" sport utility.
Just some info, if you go onto Toyota Global. Click showroom, guess what car is first for vehicle gallery and design?
TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION GLOBAL WEBSITE
Is this thread about IRS on 4wd vehicles or about Toyota cars? If you want to discuss the merits of Avalon vs Prius I suggest searching in another forum, you won't get answers here. I think this thread has been sidetracked.
Pagemaster, what's the difference between "flagship" 4WD vehicle, not "flagship" sport utility? If anything it tells me that it's in a class above the Rav4, Highlander and your beloved Sequoia.
Unfortunately I think that any thread that Pagemaster touches will have to go to Chit Chat becuase it will no longer contain any logical technical information of use to anyone.
Pagemaster, what's the difference between "flagship" 4WD vehicle, not "flagship" sport utility? If anything it tells me that it's in a class above the Rav4, Highlander and your beloved Sequoia.
Unfortunately I think that any thread that Pagemaster touches will have to go to Chit Chat becuase it will no longer contain any logical technical information of use to anyone.
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I wish Pagemaster's @$$ backwards logic wasn't so interesting to follow.
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Sequoia multi link IRS.... pure beefiness. It will easily support about 10 - 11" of travel as it sits. The axles shafts are 32 spline, and the inner CV Joints are larger than anything I have ever seen. The rear differential is a massive cast iron housed 10" unit. The wheel bearings are the same size as the front Tundra/200 Series, which are as large as a certain domestic Superduty.
With both Pagemaster and Shotts posting here, the 200 forum is fugged
Thanks for putting yourself on our level.
Sequoia multi link IRS.... pure beefiness. It will easily support about 10 - 11" of travel as it sits. The axles shafts are 32 spline, and the inner CV Joints are larger than anything I have ever seen. The rear differential is a massive cast iron housed 10" unit. The wheel bearings are the same size as the front Tundra/200 Series, which are as large as a certain domestic Superduty.
So? What else would we expect from Toyota on such a large SUV?
I don't think anybody here is doubting or dogging the Sequoia. One though is posting up as though Toyota uses the Sequoia as their introduction of new technology that'll get trickled down into the LC/LX.
Toyota was spot-on...the Sequoia HAD to go with IRS in order to compete against the big dogs...Tahoe, Expedition, etc. The LC is not there...yet.
And what exactly is wrong with that? Toyota Land Cruiser uses the same set-up from the first gen Sequoia. Land Cruiser also uses a version of KDSS first testing in the 120
The LX570 uses the dynamic radar from the Toyota Avalon
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I'm sorry but your logic is flawed yet again. Wouldn't you want Toyota to "test drive" and appropriately modify new technologies before applying it to their most highly regarded SUV?
The LC has never been the innovative tech-flashy flagship - it has always been the engineering flagship regarding durability, longevity, and reliability. Period.
Let him go! Face it. The Sequoia simply blows away the LX570 and everyone should know that or they're just :whoops:
bjowett
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Just bringing some tech back to the thread...
And it was good tech...no doubt that IRS is stout! LOL!
I don't know why you think MSRP=Flagship, such a silly way of thinking. From a price category, yes it is considered the flagship but only on price alone. From prestige, maybe.... But not identity and what comes to mind when you think TOYOTA
The flagship model understood by media and customers is the Prius. The Prius has the most engineering, most longevity, and reliabilty....Nothing in the Toyota line up comes close. Toyota has put so much money into this product, it is in fact the flagship, face and identity of the Toyota brand.
The Land Cruiser 200/70series on the other hand, is no different than any other Toyota product. Yes, well built. Tough as nails.
Actually, a Toytoa Hillux or a Toyota Pick Up, or truck will likely last longer than the current 200 series or 80...a 100 hasn't got much going for it.
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OMG! LOL!
Ok, explain how a Land Cruiser is more of flagship than the Prius?
The Prius has the highest level of customer satisfaction in reliabilty in the history of the company.
Explain all the electronics that is loaded up on 100 series and how they will outlast vs a Hillux...specifically, explain how a power steering column is more reliabile than a manual one. IMO, the 100 series is in fact that least reliable Toyota SUV I have ever encountered.
Go ahead! I dare you.!
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Pagemaster, why on earth are you comparing a Pruis to a Land Cruiser, these are two wholly different vehicles, both flagships in their own right. When Toyota says that the Land Cruiser is their Flagship 4wd, why do you question them? I have a feeling Toyota knows which 4wd vehicle is their flagship. The Land Cruiser has been around since 1951.
"IMO, the 100 series is in fact that least reliable Toyota SUV I have ever encountered."
You're opinions are certainly allowed, but they do not coincide with the vast, vast majority of Land Cruiser owners all over the world.
Here is a list of awards the LC has picked up over the years all over the world. This is a collection up to 2006 only so it does not include the 2006-2011 LC awards.
http://www.toyota.com.kw/english/toyota_models/landcruiser/history/html/worldwide/awards.html
"IMO, the 100 series is in fact that least reliable Toyota SUV I have ever encountered."
You're opinions are certainly allowed, but they do not coincide with the vast, vast majority of Land Cruiser owners all over the world.
Here is a list of awards the LC has picked up over the years all over the world. This is a collection up to 2006 only so it does not include the 2006-2011 LC awards.
http://www.toyota.com.kw/english/toyota_models/landcruiser/history/html/worldwide/awards.html
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