Why an FJ80 over a FZJ80?

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I honestly wonder how many people that say the 3FE is underpowered have ever actually driven one. My 92 runs out fairly well for a 6000lb tank.

I will say that the 1FZ-FE was a slug going up some of the mountains on the way back from California. It wasn't like it was a rocket ship.

I'm going to have to do a 0-60 in my 93 to compare it to my 92. My 92 was about 13 seconds IIRC.

And I do maintenance on it but I have never adjusted the valves. Have the original fuel filter and injectors.

Have driven, worked on all of them, like lots, all of the time. Often travel with a herd, on flat ground, they all maintain speed,,, until you need to pass. Agree that none of them are rocket ships, if you travel mostly on the flats, all will do, kinda. We often climb grades, the OBD ('93-'94) rigs fade in the mirrors, the 3FE rigs are gone, like out of sight.

Working on them, I prefer OBD2 rigs, then OBD, 3FE rigs are my last preference, too much stuff is a pain on them. It's personal preference, but mine is, see zero reason to own a 3FE rig.
 
Have driven, worked on all of them, like lots, all of the time. Often travel with a herd, on flat ground, they all maintain speed,,, until you need to pass. Agree that none of them are rocket ships, if you travel mostly on the flats, all will do, kinda. We often climb grades, the OBD ('93-'94) rigs fade in the mirrors, the 3FE rigs are gone, like out of sight.

Working on them, I prefer OBD2 rigs, then OBD, 3FE rigs are my last preference, too much stuff is a pain on them. It's personal preference, but mine is, see zero reason to own a 3FE rig.
More non-'retarded' put than my post but sums it up perfectly. @maxamillion2345
 
The 3FE lot easier in the mechanics. Extremely reliable, It will get you anywhere you want to go. The FZj80 will get you there quicker, IMHO, less reliable than the 3FE. gears vs timing chain for starters...
 
,,, less reliable than the 3FE. gears vs timing chain for starters...

That may not be the best example? Have seen several failed F motor cam gears, slipped rubber on the early, stripped on the later plastic gears. Never seen a bad chain on a 1FZ.
 
That may not be the best example? Have seen several failed F motor cam gears, slipped rubber on the early, stripped on the later plastic gears. Never seen a bad chain on a 1FZ.
How about blown gaskets, the infamous pesky hose, I have not seen a 3FE here with plastic gears, at least none of my 2 92s have plastic gears. Nothing against the 1FZ, each engine has its good and bad things.
 
I bought a 1991 new off the lot. Drove it for three years then bought a new 1994.
Back in the day when both trucks were new there was no comparison in acceleration and stopping improvements with the FZJ. Most people on this forum never had the pleasure to drive an FJ80 or FZJ 80 new in their heyday.
I did! Or I should say my dad did I was just along for the ride!
 
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How about blown gaskets, the infamous pesky hose, I have not seen a 3FE here with plastic gears, at least none of my 2 92s have plastic gears. Nothing against the 1FZ, each engine has its good and bad things.

The "pesky hose" requires replacement every 20 years or so. And really, if you have any skill, is less than an hour to fix.
 
How about blown gaskets,

Gaskets leaks happen, most are not forever. The 1FZ head gasket is slightly more prone to failure, but it is hugely blown out of proportion here, mainly by 3FE guys. Most of the rigs that I wheel with, still have the original gasket, not bad after ~20+yrs/~200K+ mi. I have also replaced head gaskets on F motors, they are also much more prone to head cracks. The F motor heads like to push the oil plug out of the head, puking all of the oil out. Not exactly convenient, or easy to repair, especially on the trail.

the infamous pesky hose,

Like most motors, there are a couple of hoses on the 1FZ that are not convenient to get to. The 3FE isn't any better, the hoses in the water pump area are a pain. The 3FE tends to leak, like everywhere, the hoses down low get swelled, need to be changed more often. due to the poor belt, and well everything on the front of the motor layout, most anything in that area is a pain to work on.

I have not seen a 3FE here with plastic gears, at least none of my 2 92s have plastic gears.

So, they have been replaced? That is a painful job.

Nothing against the 1FZ, each engine has its good and bad things.

Agree, I'm not a F motor hater, IMHO, great motor for a FJ40, not so much for a tank like the '62 or '80, especially coupled with the relatively inefficient, power sapping, mechanical transmission. One of our wheeling buddies bought one of the first FJ80's. When the FZJ came out, immediately traded for the lockers, wheeled them, was one of the first to do the Rubicon in an '80, etc. Last year, put it on it's lid, so moved to a '96. After running/wheeling the '96, now says, if he knew then, what he now does, would have traded the '93 in '96. He likes it that much better, and the '93 had ~140K, the '96 has ~200K miles. It is personal preference, enjoy what your prefer.
 
Gaskets leaks happen, most are not forever. The 1FZ head gasket is slightly more prone to failure, but it is hugely blown out of proportion here, mainly by 3FE guys. Most of the rigs that I wheel with, still have the original gasket, not bad after ~20+yrs/~200K+ mi. I have also replaced head gaskets on F motors, they are also much more prone to head cracks. The F motor heads like to push the oil plug out of the head, puking all of the oil out. Not exactly convenient, or easy to repair, especially on the trail.



Like most motors, there are a couple of hoses on the 1FZ that are not convenient to get to. The 3FE isn't any better, the hoses in the water pump area are a pain. The 3FE tends to leak, like everywhere, the hoses down low get swelled, need to be changed more often. due to the poor belt, and well everything on the front of the motor layout, most anything in that area is a pain to work on.



So, they have been replaced? That is a painful job.



Agree, I'm not a F motor hater, IMHO, great motor for a FJ40, not so much for a tank like the '62 or '80, especially coupled with the relatively inefficient, power sapping, mechanical transmission. One of our wheeling buddies bought one of the first FJ80's. When the FZJ came out, immediately traded for the lockers, wheeled them, was one of the first to do the Rubicon in an '80, etc. Last year, put it on it's lid, so moved to a '96. After running/wheeling the '96, now says, if he knew then, what he now does, would have traded the '93 in '96. He likes it that much better, and the '93 had ~140K, the '96 has ~200K miles. It is personal preference, enjoy what your prefer.

No leaks on mine, replacing those hoses, not really a problem... Oops forgot one leak; the birfs Common on all Land Cruisers prior 98 and I just fixed two days ago...
 
I'm thinking the OP is so overwhelmed with information he has either bought a Jeep or has bugged out.

No reply since the third post:

"Thank you, I don't want to stir anything up, but just looking for information. Thanks again."

Yeah right!
 
Now that I finally updated the iPad from ios7 to ios9 and it stopped crashing, I can give some more input. I am in the market for an 80 series. I have had the opportunity to drive both a 3FE and a 1FZ-FE 80 series Cruiser when new (back in the day). While I do remember the 3Fe being a lot slower, I am at a different stage in life and am cool with the power and MPG digger emcee between the 2. I knew the mechanical difference between the 2 engines, but not all the other aspects. I was just looking for real world information and experiences to confirm my decision. While I think I will end up with an FE, it was good to learn that a 93 or 94 might be in the picture too thanks to everybody who gave feedback.
 
My question is many people are saying there is a night and day difference between the OBD1 and OBD2 FZJ. Why is that? Purely from a diagnostic standpoint? or is the power drop through the A343F less than the A442F?
 
While I agree that the HG failure on the 1FZ-FEBis somewhat born out of proportion I will also say that there are hundreds or posts on MUD, by 1FZ-FE owners, of their HG blowing. 3FE owners are not starting these threads. We may pile on but we don't initiate it. :flipoff2:

There are a handful of threads on 3FE failures. Yes.

The brakes have never been an issue on my 3FE. If I want to stop I just let off the gas. :p
 
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