Who has removed their EGR valve?

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I'm still in the middle of rebuilding my engine and thought about removing the EGR valve. A few threads on here talk about removing it, but no one has stepped forward and said if they had any issues afterwards. Mine is OBD1. I plan to make block-off plates. Any other OBD1 80's missing their EGR?
 
I know Beno did, but his is OBDII.

Check out this thread, but I think bear80's is OBDII as well.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/43028-po401-defeated-4.html

This is on my to do list if I can round up the resistor and just disable the system temporarily. Who knows when I might have to do an emissions check again.

From what I have read, it appears that the egr system was an afterthought that was jerry rigged to our vehicles to pass emissions and it was not planned for in the original design of the motor.

I would think that as long as you could trick the computer with the resistor, that there would not be any negative side effects from this mod. That hot exhaust can't be good for the motor.
 
I took mine off to inspect it but I'm ODBII but it was cake.

Was it a simple removal or did you have to install something to trick the computer into thinking it was still there?
 
Was it a simple removal or did you have to install something to trick the computer into thinking it was still there?

hehe, ok I think I didn't fully get your question. You mean take it off completely and replace it with nothing. No, on OBDII I don't see how that is even possible. Removing it and putting it back to inspect was easy though. :D
 
Should have clarified my question. I will be removing it completely.
 
My state doesn't have emission testing of any sort. Therefore is there any way I can just remove the EGR system altogether and do away with the CEL? I read all through this and other threads, and they all seem to stop just short of telling if or how this can be accomplished......
 
hey.

i drive a 1994 OBD I car. 3 years ago i took the EGR system out completely.
no side effects at all. only check engine light is on all the time.
car is running great, and engine bay is much colder than before.

That's the anecdotal info I am looking for. Anyone else?
 
The net effect of removing the EGR, whether OBDI or OBDII equipped is that the fuel mixture will run leaner, absent some other alteration to fuel supply programming. The EGR routes exhaust gas back into the intake to dilute the amount of oxygen in the fuel mixture, lowering combustion temperatures and thus NOx readings.

The lean burn situation will trigger a CEL, as will the lack of any feedback to the on board computer from the missing EGR system.

If you live in an emissions testing jurisdiction, your OBD I truck, 95 or older, may pass the sniff test--it will be at worst a 2 speed idle test since nobody uses a 4 wheel dyno, and our trucks are full time 4wd. That test does not put a load on the truck engine, and the head temps may remain low enough to pass even with the disabled EGR. On an OBDII 96+ truck, unless the on board diagnostic computer can be made to think that the EGR is working as designed (there exists an electronic gizmo that makes the computer think that a catalytic convertor is mounted, when if fact it is missing), a fault code will be thrown and the truck will not pass its annual emission test. One additional tactic to make the truck run richer (and therefore cooler) for an OBDI inspection is to retard the ignition timing. Too much retardation will result in HC and CO being too high though--it is a balancing act.

I must add that monkeying with the factory installed emissions control systems is severely frowned on by state and federal environmental folks.

Some vehicles (prolly not LandCruisers) come both with and without EGR's based upon where they were originally sold--old Saab 900's for one example.
 
I live in a smog checked area, but title the vehicle in another county. The emissions check is not my concern, since this vehicle passed emissions last year with hollowed out cats. I'll see how the driveability is and if neccessary get a used JDM ECU.
 
Good information Gabby.

So since the 80 was sold overseas w/o the EGR would you have to get an overseas ECU if you disabled your NA spec ECU system.

Does anyone know if Toyota made different ECU's for different markets?
 
I live in a smog checked area, but title the vehicle in another county. The emissions check is not my concern, since this vehicle passed emissions last year with hollowed out cats. I'll see how the driveability is and if neccessary get a used JDM ECU.

How did your truck handle the hollowed out cats? Did it ever cause an O2 sensor code? My 97 has a post O2 sensor, so I would think hollowing out the cats would cause it to throw a code.
 
How did your truck handle the hollowed out cats? Did it ever cause an O2 sensor code? My 97 has a post O2 sensor, so I would think hollowing out the cats would cause it to throw a code.



Nope, I never get a code and pass emissions with flying colors every year.
94's only have an O2 sensor before the cats, not before and after like yours.
 
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How did your truck handle the hollowed out cats? Did it ever cause an O2 sensor code? My 97 has a post O2 sensor, so I would think hollowing out the cats would cause it to throw a code.

So is this correct? The +95 have 2 O2 sensors, pre and post cats. and the earlier yrs have the side by side cats with 2 O2 at the pre cats location?
 
So is this correct? The +95 have 2 O2 sensors, pre and post cats. and the earlier yrs have the side by side cats with 2 O2 at the pre cats location?

Yes that is correct.

So this makes the 95-97's less flexible in regards to emission mods. I was under the impression that the post 95's used the second sensor to monitor how the cats are functioning. I'm not sure why you would need 2 sensors pre-cat on the pre 95's.
 
Yes that is correct.

So this makes the 95-97's less flexible in regards to emission mods. I was under the impression that the post 95's used the second sensor to monitor how the cats are functioning. I'm not sure why you would need 2 sensors pre-cat on the pre 95's.

Thanks :)

No clue on why the pre 95's are that way either. :meh:
 
***Update***

Still wanting to permanently remove the EGR valve, I decided to use a resistor as others have mentioned to "trick" the ECU into thinking it was still present. Here are a few pics:

A quick trip to Radio Shack got me the resistors I needed:

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A little solder and heat shrink and I had this:

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Once complete, I reset the ECU and plugged in the new bypass:

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I drove around for a bit to make sure the engine got out of "warm up mode" and didn't throw another CEL. So far, so good. I have put about 600 miles on the new engine and EGR bypass with no apparent ill effects. My best highway mileage has been around 17.5 (300 mile round trip). I'm sure once the engine has a few more miles on it the mileage will improve, if only slightly.

I can't tell if the underhood temps are cooler, but I do know my wiring harness won't get burnt again.
 
^ is that resistor the same range that the obd2 trucks need?

My egr system is bypassed but not removed, truck runs better and gets better gas mileage. But in regard to the lean running wouldn't the ecu throw a code for it running lean? Not that I really know much about the topic.
 
The FSM has the specs for the EGR temp sensor.

122 (F) - 64K -97K Ohms
212 (F) - 11K - 16K Ohms
302 (F) - 2K - 4K Ohms
 

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