Where the club stands in 2012

[LCCRUISER]

Thanks Eric! (And Bob knows how much I really mean that!)

Actually, it's not too much of a chore to attend the meetings and give your opinion and represent YT. Plus you learn the politics of the NEA . You also meet some like-minded folks whose only real shortcoming is their love of Jeeps. I had a good time up at their VT meeting last year. Fun wheeling afterward. The biggest obstacle is that the meetings are too spread out to expect one person to easily cover them all.

Thanks again!

 

[LCCRUISER]

Been working behind the scenes to clean that wording up and get better TLCA exposure.

I wanted to submit a chapter update to TLCA but we are not a club in "Good Standing" meaning we can't do that.

We have had no one on a conference call with the TLCA for a number of years and am trying to do what I can to rectify that thus adding a TLCA Delegate (which we need no vote on because our bylaws state that we are already supposed to have one!).

Been in touch with Justin (TLCA prez) and have received the paperwork to bring the club back to TLCA good standing.

Even though "Non Sanctioned" seems kind of crumby it's important to note that the TLCA doesn't need to advertise the Fall Gathering at all.

Have we ever had a TLCA rep? What's involved?

Are there any plans to become sanctioned as a club or is the sanctioning just for the event? If the latter, is that a direction the club is heading?

 

[green40]

Have we ever had a TLCA rep? What's involved?

Are there any plans to become sanctioned as a club or is the sanctioning just for the event? If the latter, is that a direction the club is heading?

We used to have a rep (Lee Thomas) but that was many years ago. If we do become a sanctioned club
aren't there hoops we have to jump thru? I may be wrong but a TLCA membership for all YT members?

 

[Wrench]

We used to have a rep (Lee Thomas) but that was many years ago. If we do become a sanctioned club
aren't there hoops we have to jump thru? I may be wrong but a TLCA membership for all YT members?

Yes and I believe it's Toyota only.

 

[rain76king]

We used to have a rep (Lee Thomas) but that was many years ago. If we do become a sanctioned club
aren't there hoops we have to jump thru? I may be wrong but a TLCA membership for all YT members?

We are a TLCA club. Just not in "good standing".
Only the Toyota owners are supposed to be TLCA members but I'm not 100% sure on all of that yet.
I'm just in the feeler stages, I beleive Dave at one point looked into being sanctioned and didn't think it was worth the effort.
I'm just looking at our options as a club and trying to get it some good exposure from the TLCA.

Our Bylaws also state to be a YT member your supposed to be a member of the TLCA (if your a Toyota owner).

I think it's worth it personally just to get Toyota Trails but that's just me and I'm not forcing any ones arm.

I think there needs to be some cleaning done in our bylaw section to streamline it a bit and make it more of what we do now, and not way back when....but that's a whole other thread.

Just to clarify being sanctioned does not mean we are a Toyota only club. In our bylaws it clearly states that you do not need to be a Toyota owner.
Also it does not mean that events become Toyota only or anything like that.

 

[Wrench]

I was told in the past I had to be a TLCA member if I wanted to be a member in the club. So I did.

 

[LCCRUISER]

The magazine is well worth the $20 TLCA fee. Never mind what TLCA actually spends from that to promote themselves, our Toyotas and responsible offroading. I would have paid way more than that when the TLCA membership got me into Cruise Moab last year.

In my opinion, it's a no brainer! (Except for maybe those among us who actually qualify for that statement.)

F**K, $20 is the cost of 5 gallons of gas this coming Memorial Day Weekend. What will that get you?

I'd vote for us being a TLCA sanctioned event. Who is in or out?

 

[Wrench]

It's $45 for a year. And I get more out of IH8MUD than the magazine.

 

[Mad Jack]

I'd vote for us being a TLCA sanctioned event. Who is in or out?

If I remember correctly, there was some talk at one of the meetings of making the FG a sanctioned event sometime ago. I might be wrong, but I thought there was issue about costing extra money to have it be sanctioned. I don't remember if it was a fee to TLCA or extra insurance that needed to be carried because of their name or what....

 

[landtank]

I can't help thinking that getting more involved with TLCA will only bring more rules and regulations to our events and if that is true, I'm not interested.

Hell, I don't even want to join their club.

 

[jonheld]

A few random thoughts from a non-voting member of YT:

The GCLC has been agonizing over TLCA requirements for years. What the BOD has concluded is that TLCA sanctioning and sponsorship for a major event like CMCC and YTFG is prudent. It buys the organization an insurance rider for the event for a nominal fee, which just increased this year to $350. This alone is worth whatever hoops we have to jump through to make it work. If you've ever looked into insurance liability coverage for your event you will know what I mean.

Also it is important to recognize the difference between insurance coverage and incorporation of an LLC. While neither will prevent a lawsuit, an LLC is still a vulnerable entity and the "corporate veil" that it provides is thinner than most know. In the event of an accidental death or severe personal injury, any lawyer will come after both the LLC and the individuals named in the LLC to seek whatever possible retribution. That's a fact of life.
An insurance policy will cover, either in part or in whole, the legal costs associated with that. This shouldn't be taken lightly. While we assume that most attendees are reasonable folks and "friends", bad things can and do happen.

The GCLC states both publicly and in it's bylaws that it will not exclude other vehicles from membership, events, etc. With that said, we have never required TLCA membership to join GCLC. What we do ask is that you join TLCA in order to attend CMCC. Most attendees are already TLCA members so this has never been an issue for us.

Bottom line here is that if you pay the TLCA for the event, you have insurance coverage and the sponsorship that goes along with it. The TLCA has always had more of a "hands off" approach to the individual club, and we really see no interference or rules from them.

 

[rain76king]

From a YT member's perspective it really changes nothing for you, maybe with the exception of a safety check prior to the FG.

In a previous thread it seemed that the general consensus was that we should in fact have a safety check regardless.

You are part of this club and you are asked to follow our bylaws (bylaws that need to be addressed and cleaned up).

As far as the club is concerned yes it is an extra cost to your club.
Our club has money so it won't break the bank.

As Jon mentioned above we would like to think that most of our attendees are reasonable people and some even friends, as the event grows it draws in more unfamiliar faces.
The TLCA insurance helps cover the club's officers more in case of a law suit.
As much as I like the club I'm not going to lose my house for it, maybe this helps put things into perspective for a few.

As far as TLCA membership- Wrench may pay $45 because he has it delivered first class, but it costs me only $30 to wait a few weeks to get the magazine which I enjoy.

If you add it up as a member $20 YT renewal and $30 for a TLCA membership your looking at $50 a year which is still far less than what many other clubs charge for membership.

 

[high country cruiser]

I pay every 3 years = $43.33 per year

MEMBERSHIP OPTIONS
US MEMBERSHIP, BULK MAIL
2 to 7 week magazine delivery. Membership for 1-5 years 1 year : $30 USD
2 years: $58 USD
3 years: $85 USD
4 years: $111 USD
5 years: $136 USD
US MEMBERSHIP, FIRST CLASS MAIL
3 to 7 days magazine delivery. Membership for 1-5 years 1 year : $45 USD
2 years: $88 USD
3 years: $130 USD
4 years: $171 USD
5 years: $211 USD

I also support the TLCA, I think it's a good idea.
I have been to many TLCA Santioned Events, the rules will not change.
BE SAFE, NO DRINKING, SHOW RESPECT, CLEAN UP YOUR MESS, KEEP YOUR DOG ON A LEASH, HAVE A TRAIL WORTHY VEHICLE is that to much to ask?

Just my .02 cents worth

 

[cruiserland]

It's $45 for a year. And I get more out of IH8MUD than the magazine.

MEMBERSHIP OPTIONS
US MEMBERSHIP, BULK MAIL
2 to 7 week magazine delivery. Membership for 1-5 years 1 year : $30 USD
2 years: $58 USD
3 years: $85 USD
4 years: $111 USD
5 years: $136 USD
US MEMBERSHIP, FIRST CLASS MAIL
3 to 7 days magazine delivery. Membership for 1-5 years 1 year : $45 USD
2 years: $88 USD
3 years: $130 USD
4 years: $171 USD
5 years: $211 USD

I also support the TLCA, I think it's a good idea.
I have been to many TLCA Santioned Events, the rules will not change.
BE SAFE, NO DRINKING, SHOW RESPECT, CLEAN UP YOUR MESS, KEEP YOUR DOG ON A LEASH, HAVE A TRAIL WORTHY VEHICLE is that to much to ask?

Just my .02 cents worth

Chris, sounds like you need a star too, along with the membership, beadlocks and longs
why not support those who support you?
Rick>>

 

[Wrench]

If you add it up as a member $20 YT renewal and $30 for a TLCA membership your looking at $50 a year which is still far less than what many other clubs charge for membership.

YT renewal is $25.

 

[rain76king]

YT renewal is $25.

My bad. $25 renewal.

 

[Sporin]

We've always taken our event insurance from the NEA4WDC but it may be time to investigate the option of TLCA instead.

 

[rain76king]

The cost between the NEA4WDC insurance and the TLCA's are pretty much the same.

 

[LCCRUISER]

Not if you consider the fact that we pay NEA $10 per YT member to be a part of their organization. Where's their Toyota specific mag?

 

[rain76king]

NEA insurance has nothing to do with your NEA membership.
That $10 makes an awful lot of properties available for you to wheel.