Let’s not get crazy, the Gwagon on 24”s the mountain goat. I have proof in this video. He shows off how well it climbs in his environment. Crazy. Fast forward to 1:30 or so.
Where does LC end and Rubicon begin?
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Inlet Beach is definitely one of the last horizons on the 30A corridor, that entire area is nuts these days yet we still go down there every fall. Growing up as a kid I spent part of my summers in Pensacola with my grandmother and I remember that entire area being nothing but forests owned by the paper company and now it's getting to be too boujee for its own good *cough Alys Beach *cough. Jupiter is a nice spot as well but I am a much bigger fan of the emerald coast as far as the beaches go and the water is more tolerable too. If deep sea is your thing then I'd lean towards Jupiter unless you like to run to the floaters in the gulf. We've been considering a little bungalow in Grayton for a few years now, it's more along our style and pace for what's available in that area and mimics a Texas beach town in vibe and oddball style.
This is where I'd have to argue against you and most who have owned them as well that I know. I was a huge Jeep guy, I owned at least seven of them over the years ranging from bone stock to fully custom with Pro Rock Jock 60's and 40's. There wasn't a single one of them that didn't have a major issue up to and including the 2012 JKUR that got bought back under the Lemon Law, it never even had a chance to get modified lol. They have their place, I agree that for technical off-roading they have no equal but unless I live in the mountains where I can roll it out directly onto the trail or have one as a trailer queen for such occasions I don't see myself owning one again.
I switched to an inflatable SUP with a flip up skeg for this very reason. We run a lot of rivers and hitting rocks and limbs/trees underwater is a very common occurrence. We've all been tossed due to impacts and I wasn't willing to deal with it anymore. Since I moved to the flip-up I haven't had a single eject moment from striking something beneath the water. Hopefully I didn't just jinx myself lol.
@Tex68w we love Grayton beach area. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to get a home there. They never even hit the market, that’s how fast they sell if one even pops up. It’s on our save list if something does. We love everything along 30A. We go there 2x a year. Even when it’s busy, we still enjoy it. Everyone is happy and excited to be there and it still has the Southern charm. Yes, it has gotten boujee but it has also brought in some really good eateries. Alys beach is another beast. It’s the Palm beach of 30A. A bit snobby for my taste.
I couldn't have said it better myself, Alys is yuck IMHO. Grayton is the place for us as well and I keep notifications on too, eventually one of us will get lucky lol. Fortunately we are in no rush and we have no kids so we can spring quickly if/when that time comes. We got married at the Pearl in Rosemary so the area will always have a special meaning to us and it's probably why we make a point of going every year at least once. I just booked a house in Rosemary for late September last week, can't get enough of it.
Weight is a large consideration, and the ability of a solid front axle to keep wheels on the ground in more circumstances. Jeeps are less likely to lift a front wheel than a Cruiser with IFS that has equal suspension travel.
Yup, including weight as mentioned. Clearance to run giant sized tires, or until our platform gets older and people are more willing to cut them up.
And don't forget crawl ratio. A high ratio is often very helpful in technical terrain. The current Wrangler Rubicon has a crawl ratio of 84.2:1. The current model year 200 has a crawl ratio of 41.5:1. In other words the Wrangler can maintain a much lower speed at any given engine RPM.
I’ve been considering an inflatable to throw into the back of my truck so when I’m in the swamp off-roading and get to a river/pond in the middle of the trail, I can inflate the sup and check depth (rather than walking through it). Just a theoretical at this point...I wonder how long it would take for my arb compressor to inflate....
So the advantages of a rubicon are:
width, weight, crawl ratio, potential for large tires
And the advantages of a rubicon that can be reasonably mitigated via the aftermarket with a land cruiser are:
approach (bumper), departure (bumper), ability to maintain front traction via solid axle droop (locker)
one might argue that crawl control offers a slightly lower than stock artificial gear ratio. When in a low ratio I think the idea is making sure you don’t give so much throttle that you spin a tire and lose traction...while also providing enough torque to move forward...and that’s precisely what crawl control does, albeit with the use of smartly applied brakes rather than gears. After all, it doesn’t matter how low your gears are if you’re not providing enough throttle to maintain momentum to go forward. Within reason, except on ultra high traction surfaces, perhaps, there is a minimum crawl ratio where going even lower doesn’t offer an advantage.
along those lines of reasoning, having a medium low range via our gears plus an artificial lower low range (or 3-5) via crawl control’s various speed settings (ensuring wheels turn extra slow AND arrest their spin if they lose traction) might be considered an advantage over the rubicon (again except in ultra high traction rock crawling type situations).
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CRAWL control does not equal to Crawl ratio + 3 lockers. It simply does not. And then you add in there the natural born agility of the Rubicon…there is no competition. Rubi will easily walk over a terrain that will give a stock LC fits.
And for LX, to get clearance, you lose agility in the suspension. Rubi has both!
And if you want to modify the LC, then you should compare that to a modified Rubi to be fair…and that will make things even worst for the LC.
Don’t compare things on paper. See it for yourself. I have been on numerous off road events with Jeep Rubi. None broke down. All made across things a lot easier than what I had to go thru in my previous vehicle (g-wagen).
And for LX, to get clearance, you lose agility in the suspension. Rubi has both!
And if you want to modify the LC, then you should compare that to a modified Rubi to be fair…and that will make things even worst for the LC.
Don’t compare things on paper. See it for yourself. I have been on numerous off road events with Jeep Rubi. None broke down. All made across things a lot easier than what I had to go thru in my previous vehicle (g-wagen).
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I couldn’t disagree with you more! Haha, JK! When I lived in Tahoe, I loved taking my Toy 4x4 on the Rubicon, especially after is snowed. My first experience seeing a Jeep(lifted on 37”s) in action was following him through fresh tracks from Homewood entrance. My plan was to go to Lake Louise. His plan
no idea. The snow must have been around 6ft deep, 2/3 of that was hard pack underneath. I stayed several feet behind him and just watched in amazement how the suspension moved so freely over all the obstacles that hide under the fresh snow. I would have never been able to make those tracks without a lot of stress on my 4x4. I ended up turning around as the snow kept getting deeper and he cut through it like butter. I have respect for Jeep’s, they are the best at wha they do best. Some people act like the 200 is a rock crawler. It’s designed for overlanding. You’re better off getting an 80 series for that kind of work and I think they are better for extreme off-roading then a 200. A Jeep is the better tool to beat up and easier to bandaid on the trail. Buy a 200 to tow a customized Jeep to the crazy trails.
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A few minutes tops.
about 10 min including getting the stuff out and putting it away. I took the valve core out of the SUP adapter to get a bit more flow.
I was at a jeep dealership today my buddy was picking up his jeep was still under warranty ... good thing he bought the extended they had to put a new to him yard motor ... He actually made out pretty good with a low milage motor a lot of new factory parts ...blowing the motor was the best case scenario for him .
I tried to talk him out of a jeep and to check out a 4runner ... did not work out that way .
So while I was at the dealer waiting for him just in case something was not right I hung out and checked out a 2021 JKU Rubicon eco diesel ... I like the concept but holy crap talk about cheap jeeps ... I was sitting in it had less room than my beater Tacoma .
I had jeeps years ago , everything seemed cheap , frame steel just felt like 1/8 inch thick if that , would have thought a little more beefy for the diesel ...But no seemed the same as the jeep right next to it .
Only cool thing about that jeep it made a diesel sound ... $60k piece of crap , made me appreciate Toyota quality even more .
LC 200 is worth all the money you pay for it and appreciate it just go drive a new jeep ...LOL
I tried to talk him out of a jeep and to check out a 4runner ... did not work out that way .
So while I was at the dealer waiting for him just in case something was not right I hung out and checked out a 2021 JKU Rubicon eco diesel ... I like the concept but holy crap talk about cheap jeeps ... I was sitting in it had less room than my beater Tacoma .
I had jeeps years ago , everything seemed cheap , frame steel just felt like 1/8 inch thick if that , would have thought a little more beefy for the diesel ...But no seemed the same as the jeep right next to it .
Only cool thing about that jeep it made a diesel sound ... $60k piece of crap , made me appreciate Toyota quality even more .
LC 200 is worth all the money you pay for it and appreciate it just go drive a new jeep ...LOL
