weak points on a 60?

[jzilla]

I was talking to a j**p guy yesterday, he likes my truck and wants me to go wheeling with him. He asked me what the weak points are and if I knew how to fix them. What are the weak points? Sorry if this is the wrong forum for this.
I have an 81BJ60

 

[crushers]

the seal between the tranny and t/case.
the vacumm pump splines, ooops yours is a 81 it has the caorse spline vacumm pump so this isn't a concern for you...

hummm... nothing really, it is as tough as they come...

 

[Eric Winkworth]

Although older landcruiser have a few as everyone knows, it is nothing like a J**p. Tell your friend the only way to fix the weak spots on his jeep is a match and us the insurance money to buy an LC.

J**ps have weak dana 40 axles, if newer model, crappy engines and tranmissions, transfercases are a joke, only j**ps you should even give any credit to are old CJ's with AMC motors, everything else might as well say chrysler on it.

sorry if this offends anyone, althought I don't think it will here, but this is just my opinion.


BTW I like waynes reply,

"hummm... nothing really, it is as tough as they come..."


lol, trust me he would know

 

[roscoFJ73]

A little off topic but that old 3F I pulled out of my 73 series has only had a carb rebuild and the oil pressure sender changed in the 3 years I drove it. The starter,radiator,manifolds ,dizzy,alternator are all from the factory and still working like new.
Maybe the t/stat was changed but not by me
Thats not bad for an engine with 280000 km and 17 years old.

Now if that was a jeep motor Im sure I could sell it to Jeep so they could find out why their products are lasting so long.
Hell ,maybe they would pay me to keep my mouth shut in case everyone wants a jeep motor like that

 

[Jim_Hbar]

I'll probably get jumped on for this, but for what they are, how they are are built, and the price they sell for, the Jeeps really aren't all that bad. Are they in in the same class as a 'cruiser? or even a 4Runner? No way, but then they start at about 1/2 the price new, and even less used..

I just got rid of a XJ with 320,000 km on the clock, and other than a couple of sets of front U-joints, all the rest of the parts that ever went into it were normal wear parts, like brakes and shocks. The engine was still running fine, lots of power, and would burn less than 1 litre in 5000km between oil changes....Yes, the doors had to be welded back on, and the rear main seal was changed when the clutch was changed at 250,000km. A 'Cruiser it isn't, but I basically paid the same for it as I did for my HZJ73, and it was 2 years old at the time, not 15, and had fewer km's on the clock. (Hell, it's still 4 years newer than than the 'Cruiser)

The Jeep didn't rot away with-out rust-proofing, and didn't need the BEB's done. And I don't expect I'll pick up front rotors for the 'Cruiser for less than $20 new, like the XJ.


Jim

 

[Eric Winkworth]

I garentee that your XJ had an AMC motor, probably an inline 6 I can remeber the size, but they really are good motors, as for normal wear and tear, we couldn't keep the tranny oil from pissing all over the ground in ours, every time we hit a nice bump, she would piss it out, then I would be under the truck in the middle of no wear trying to do a quick fix to get us home.

You have to remeber it really is like comparing an apple to a watermelon, a cruiser is a 1 ton truck and an xj isn't even a 1/4 ton truck. I actually think the old jeeps with AMC motors are fairly good, minus the bad axles, weak 4 link suspention and/or axle uder leafs,, oh and the transfercases are garbage, ours let us down out in the cold one day we couldn't get it into 4 hi of 4 lo, I almost broke that chezzy plastic stick off.

As for XJ's you know they don't even have a frame right, there unibody s***, thats why they are so cheap, a guy at work bought a tj jeep last year he paid like 8000 for it with 120 000 km's on it, When you put my 8000 dollar bj beside it (even though I have more like 15 000 into it now, but I didn't really absolutaly need anything) it makes the jeep look like a POS. Whenever he is in my spot I threaten to get out my tow strap and tow his TJ across the parking lot. I would like to see his 4 cylinder even move my BJ, he has had it let him down, it blew a head gasket from a rad leak and its a 98 my bj has the stock rad and it is an 86.

Like I said before a Land Cruiser is a legend, a jeep is like a tampon every pussy needs one!

 

[joel hj60]

whats a bj60? i didnt think there was one!

 

[crushers]

a 1981-1985 (in Canada) BJ60 is about as basic as you can get.
3B
H42 till end of 82 then H55F till 85
2.29 t/case till end of 82 then 1.96 till end of 85
manual steering till end of 82 then power till end of 85
3.7 diff gears through out
vinal or cloth seats
AC dealer installed option (very rare in Canada)
manual windows, door locks, mirrors
no head rests in rear seats

cheers

 

[beanz2]

I was talking to a j**p guy yesterday, he likes my truck and wants me to go wheeling with him. He asked me what the weak points are and if I knew how to fix them. What are the weak points? Sorry if this is the wrong forum for this.
I have an 81BJ60

All the Jeeper is asking for is that if anything breaks on your BJ60 that you be able to fix it, instead of depending on him to fix it so you can get home from the trail. He isn't saying his Jeep is superior to the cruiser nor is he asking the finer points of diesel cruiser design or maintenance.

It's the usual stuff: birfields, front hub studs, etc.

Yes, this is the wrong forum to ask, we bury our heads too deep in the diesel aspects of the BJ60 to forget there is the rest of the cruiser attached to it. You'll probably get better answers in the 60/62 forum

Dave

 

[wesintl]

Rear departure.. The rest is... well a cruiser. Unless you have worn out u joints, sloppy pinions and have big meats with a fetish for throttle and more in reverse you'll be fine. Former fj60 owner

 

[Jim_Hbar]

Eric:

I'm happy to see that you agree with me! It appears that you didn't do your research very well when you purchased the XJ, and were surprised with what you got.....Glad to see you had an addadicktomy, and are no longer a pussy!

I've driven a SWB utility vehicle for the past 25 years, long before the genre' became known as a "sport utility". And in that time, I've done all my work, from tranny's through engine re-builds... Except for exhaust (I believe I read somewhere that even Wayne shops that work out), and the time the TDC sensor in the XJ stopped 1/2 a block from the Chrysler shop.

Be happy that all people are not attracted to 'Cruisers, and that you have found the light! If everybody had one, you would not be able to sustain your elitist/chauvinistic attitude!

Cheers! - I havta go out and work on my street rod now!

 

[Eric Winkworth]

Ya that old wagoneer had 430000 on that old AMC inline motor, in the end we held it matted in drive with the tranny and or transfer case broken or slipping until she greanded, it took about 10 mins of pumping the pedal, crazy amounts of smoke, while the cops watched us, then took our optima battery and sno claws off of her and left to watch some other turck running through the mud.

thats when I didn't know you could buy a 500 dollar truck and do that, I need another XJ to kill!!!

Jeep (just empty ever pocket) I think that is what it stands for.

I say alot of bad things about jeeps designs, and I hate how they are chryslers now, new ones suck, but really some of those old jeeps are super tanks, not quite cruiser material, but then again they never had a diesel option in north america, did they?

 

[The Dude]

the wieght...and more important, the power to wieght ratio. and the departure angle.

other then that they are solid.

 

[Cruiserdrew]

Weak points:
Tranny/transfer seal-It's a feature not a weak point!
Frame rust-you're in the frozen and salty north
IF 2F-the exManifold/EGR pipe gasket
Rear pinion bearing
Power steering leaks
Lots of little oil leaks

That's about it. My FJ60 (sorry I'm not a diesel guy) has 205k miles and runs like new. They are solid trucks, but maintanence intensive.

 

[cruiser_guy]

John,

I think Dave has it right. All your Jeep buddy want's to know is, "Will I need to pull you out of the bush?" To which you answer "No worries, I pull Jeeps out all the time!"

Charles

 

[joel hj60]

Anyobne kind enough to post a pic please? - of a BJ60

 

[jzilla]

Same body style as hj60 just different engine.
Thanks guys, this guy means well. He really like my truck.
He has pictures all over his place of his jeep, and a few pics of his jeep towing guys out of the mud.
Guys from BC, he goes to stave lake and likes to rip around in the mud, he wants me to go there with him. Deep mud isn't for cruisers though is it?
Its for the big blocks?

 

[crushers]

http://www.toyotalandcruiser.dk/modeller/default.asp?serie=J6

 

[harveya]

Same body style as hj60 just different engine.
Thanks guys, this guy means well. He really like my truck.
He has pictures all over his place of his jeep, and a few pics of his jeep towing guys out of the mud.
Guys from BC, he goes to stave lake and likes to rip around in the mud, he wants me to go there with him. Deep mud isn't for cruisers though is it?
Its for the big blocks?

Deep Mud, shallow Mud, rocks whatever, the cruiser will eat it up....

That's as long as the tyres are good for the job. Same as any off roader. One thing I have learnt is that in deep mud, a too agressive mud tyre will just dig you deeper. BJs especially are good in deep mud as it's easy to waterproof the engone - just put a snorkle on it, no electrics to worry about apart from the Alternator.

I used to have a Jeep when I lived in the middle east, great on sand cos it was light, but the engine blew after 60K miles and it had two new rear axles and a new gearbox in that time. Seems the engine is too powerfull for it's own good - that 4.0 is a peach.

 

[Behemoth60]

From someone who's done some serious wheeling in a BJ60...

... relay rod is too weak for serious wheeling. They tend to bend shortly after you start wheeling.
... next to bend will be the tie rod.
There are many guys making high-strength steering links, either with stock ends, 80 series ends, or even domestic 1 ton ends.
... The rear overhang is a bugger on many trails. A good solid bumper takes the fear out of dragging the rear end. A S/O with 38" meats eliminates all but the worst of the bum drops.

Peter Straub