VSV, what else while the intake is off?

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Well, I had someone look at it and it seems my infamous P0401 is being caused by the VSV. They want $500 in labor to do the job and I just can't bring myself to pay it!

If I am going to have to pull the intake off, what else should I take care of while I am in there?

Pesky heater hose
Fuel filter
??


How bad is it to pull the intake and do this stuff? I am comfortable wrenching, just haven't done this particular thing before.

Thanks!!
 
Not difficult at all. You might consider cleaning the injectors. Do the head gasket, too ;).
 
When I had mine off everyone recommended that I do the valve cover gasket, Spark plugs, plug gaskets, PCV and PCV gasket. I pulled the air filter box out to sit in the engine bay, it made some things more convient.

While you have the plenum off, run something through the small pipe that goes straight through from the top to the VSV. It gets clogged frequently.

This was a good write up from 1000-oaks:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=97174
 
StressPuppy said:
If I am going to have to pull the intake off, what else should I take care of while I am in there?

You do not have to pull the intake to remove the VSV for EGR. I've posted how to do it several times. Basically there is one bolt that can be reached from below with a long (~3') extension and another that can be reached from above. It is easier to remove the intake brace ('97 only IIRC) and you'll remove the hoses by feel.

Find my posts because they have a picture of the VSV for EGR so you can see what it looks like. There are 2 vacuum switching valves under the intake so be sure you get the right p/n and then R&R the correct one. Seeing what it looks like will make it easier.

Let me know if you can't find the posts that I am talking about.


... Later ....

Here are the pics of the VSV for EGR for completeness.

VSV-6.jpeg


VSV-4.jpeg


-B-
 
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Just to add my two cents, you can change the VSV if your hand is small enough (honey I need you a minute). Info on here saved me $800
 
Replacing the VSV (and all that goes with it)

I just completed the replacement of the VSV for the EGR. I tried to get it off without removing the intake plenum, but the bolt I could get to from the top was on too tight for me to break it loose with a box wrench. I even removed the brace and still did not have enough room to get a good whack at it. I decided to get to know my engine a bit more intimately.

After removing the plenum (using he factory service manual's steps), I sent out the injectors for cleaning and balancing. While things were a bit more accessible, I replace the fuel filter, PCV valve and gasket, P.H.H., F.H.Hs, starter plunger and contacts, generator brushes, fuel regulator, and various and sundry vacuum and water bypass hoses. Thanks goes to CDan for the parts and suggestions for P.M. while the lungs were off.

I just want to say that I have not cussed in a long time like I did while doing some of the work . I do not have large hands, and I had a hell of a time getting to so many things. The hard fuel line from the filter to the rail was just slightly bent and took me at least 45 minutes to finese into place. If it is not lined up nice and straight, the bolts won't start. The P.H.H. was not too bad, as I removed the metal tube since I could get it out. Getting the clamp onto the water bypass hose at teh block is a b*tch. You definitely need to remove the driver's side wheel and rubber wheel well flaps to get access to things. You need to be a contortionist to get to some of the plenum bolts and nuts (6 bolts [two long] and 2 nuts). If you have rust, be prepared to cry. My starter came out no problem, but the armature came out at the brush side and the two screws holding the cover on were rusted to nothing. I go t lucky and was able to tease them out with a punch. Replaceing the brushes on the generator was simple enough once you get the thing out. Gear wrenches are a good investment. Even better would be a pneumatic gear wrench. I felt like a Hobbit as I did a lot of sitting in the engine compartment and found myself splayed over the driver's side fender delicately balanced on my hips. I did a whole lot of sweating. My arms are bruised and cut; my hands are punctured.

It felt good when Cruiser started. The ECU was a bit confused at first and I thought I had connected the accelerator cables incorrectly. It revved up to about 3K R.P.M. at first and I thought I had a runaway. It calmed down relatively quickly and my blood pressure went down as well. After 100 miles no more P401 and so far she is purring happily. All this just to replace a $70 valve.

Happy wrenching. . .
 
Are you trying to talk me into this or OUT of doing it?!?!?! Yikes.

I was going to try to get to the VSV without removing the intake (as I have read here), but that makes me wonder: is that going to leave some things clogged up that still should be cleaned? What about the throttle body? Some have done that but not the intake.

How many hours are we talking about?

And if I were to be a masichist and pull the intake and such, how much time would I be looking at?

And after all the cleaning, replacing the VSV, etc, should I expect any better gas mileage (just 1 mpg would help!)? How about how the LC runs? Just want to set my expectations appropriately
 
Have already replaced the EGR modulator?
Just wondering why you are going straight for the VSV.
I cleaned up the TB and swapped the EGR VM 20K miles ago and have had not problem since.
 
I had a shop do some diagnostics on it and they said they narrowed it down to "possibly" the VSV. With that and after reading a bunch here and comparing my situation to the other posts, I feel pretty sure that is the issue. I want to clean out the tubes and other stuff as well. How expensive is the EGR VM? If not too expensive I don't have a problem replacing it too. Don't want to do this again for a LONG time.
 
StressPuppy said:
How expensive is the EGR VM? If not too expensive I don't have a problem replacing it too.

It's about $40 but don't pay someone to replace it. It requires no tools and can be done in 2 minutes. This is a ZERO :banana: banana job.

-B-
 
Great! I'll get one ordered.

How about all the tubing and stuff for the EGR system? Clean it out, Buy new stuff?

I think I am going to take my time and plan this out. Even though I can do the VSV without pulling the intake, I think will pull it anyway so I can also replace the PHH, the fuel filter, clean the throttle body, etc. Probably a weekends worth of work, but hopefully I will never have to do this again!
 
Here's another pic if it will be helpful. The VSV is the on the firewall side of the plenum.
DSC00063.webp
 
Thanks, that does help. I have seen it up under there and was pretty sure I was looking at the right thing but this helps clear things up.

How much time did it take you to get that off? Once off, what else did you do/replace/clean? I keep reading about putting a wire in some pipe or tube, but not sure which one is being talked about. I'm just figuring if I have this thing off, I might as well make sure it is top notch before I put it back on!
 
I'm a low :banana: kind of guy, so take this for what it's worth. I wasn't committed to completely removing the plenum and doing everything you are going to do...I was just trying to find an alternative route to the PHH. It turns out it was just as easy to go in from underneath because the only way I could see to get to the PHH from above was to remove the lower part of the manifold as well. Everything else I did was a side effect of the PHH. It just kind of grew out of control.

If I had to do it again I think I could do it pretty quickly. It only took me about 20 minutes to reinstall it. I ended up with two extra bolts from the whole project (starter, intake plenum, removal of the air filter can, PHH, valve cover), but for the life of me I can't find anyplace that is missing a bolt. The thing I had a hard time with was where the EGR modulator (I think) attaches to a large pipe that disappears by the firewall towards the bell housing. I think it was a 22mm nut, and even after it was loose the EGR didn't want to move. It was THE hang up to getting the whole plenum to move. It was easiest to reach after removing the air filter canister and standing in that area, leaned over the engine. Others have recommended spanning a board across the fenders to kneel on and removing the hood for more access. Whatever works for you I guess.

A couple of things I found critical to the whole thing:
1) A good magnetic pick up tool. I have one that is rigid and about 8-10 inches long. Very good for placing and recovering bolts.
2) Autozone sells a socket extension that is a flexible spring. I got the 1/4 inch and the 3/8 inch. These were great for the valve cover bolt by the firewall and some of the plenum bolts. Using the extension to tighten the valve cover bolts gave it just about the right torque (finally!)
3) 2-3 feet worth of socket extension to get to the bolts under the plenum.
4) On the PHH, I finally gave up on trying to fit it back together with the pipe that runs between the engine and the firewall. I routed a heater hose all the way using springs on the bends to keep it from collapsing/kinking. If someone can convince me the pipe is the only way to go, I still have it in there and would consider fighting with it again. I did use the clamp from 1fzfephh.com though, and I kept the short section of gates hose that came with it. I would recommend just picking up the replacement hose while you are getting all your other parts. If you end up swearing at the thing at 1 o'clock in the morning you can just short cut by bypassing the pipe until you have forgotten the misery and want to give it another go...just like having kids. That's why they are at least 2 years apart. If you don't use it you always have the receipt.
PHH tool 1) Linoleum knife from home depot
PHH tool 2) Small vice grips for removing the clamp with the ears facing the firewall
5) I was stressed about all the different vacuum hoses that go everywhere. Really, it wasn't too hard to figure it all out again. Except for the small hoses under the plenum and on the EGR, most things only fit in one place. I took a lot of pictures as I went because I was doing it in my spare time over a couple of weeks and didn't want to forget where everything goes. They helped.
6) There is a great thread on removing and reinstalling all cables related to the throttle. Read it carefully and going back together will be much less stressful. Take note of what "good" looks like on all your gauges BEFORE you do any of this service and getting back to good will be easier.
7) Ratcheting box wrenches. Size: 12mm (2 each), 10 mm, and 14 mm.
8) Nice to have: A 3/8 ratchet with a t-handle on the end for quickly spinning the bolts once they are loose. I got it at Harbor freight, but I don't see it in their online catalog now.
9) I used my air compressor to blow out hoses, pipes, blow debris off before removing valve cover, etc.

Good luck!
 
Oh yeah, and my 6 year-old. He could reach places I couldn't even think of reaching! He was a great asset.
 
Sounds like if I try to do this in a day (or a weekend), I may cause myself some extra stress. Then I would be StressEDpuppy! :)

I'll do some more reading and get a game plan. Was thinking of doing it this weekend, but too much else going on and now I want to read even more!

The next two weeks are nuts at work, so that won't work either. I guess I get to live with the infamous P0401 for a little bit longer!
 
StressPuppy,
Please stop stressing and settle down.
Check the EGR vacuum modulator. Its a round flat thing right on top near the very back of the engine. It will have a green top if it is original and the new replacement will have a blue top. If it is already blue then someone as already replaced it and ignore me.
The order of troubleshooting is replace EGR VM then move on to the VSV if that does not stop the code. I opted to take the EGR valve off and clean it good with TB cleaner and cleaned the small hoses and orficies. They clog very easy. If or when you take the egr off be careful to tape off the cables for the TB before removing them and label all the hoses carefully. Use plenty of PB blaster or WD40 on the pipe union on the back of the EGR valve and let it sit over night. Again you do not have to remove the EGR valve to swap the EGR vacuum modulator. Sounds like you have time and just want to do some PM.
 
StressPuppy said:
I guess I get to live with the infamous P0401 for a little bit longer!

No worries. I lived with P0401 off and on for ~1yr. Cleaned EGR VM and it went away for 2 weeks. Replaced EGR VM and it went away for 1 month. Cleaned EGR valve and it went away for 2 months. Replaced EGR valve and it went away for 4 months. Grieved, whined, and moped while resetting the MIL over so often, for 5 months. Then replaced the VSV for EGR and it's been over 4 years without the P0401 (knock-on-wood.) :bounce:

-B-
 
They are right. It's only a big deal if you are trying to do everything else along with it. If all you do is the VSV and the EGR, start in the morning and you'll have time to mow the lawn in the afternoon. Just get the parts you need in advance. It's all good. If you can work it so you don't remove the plenum you'll have an hour more to yourself.
 
Me stress? Come on. What would ever give you the idea that I might stress about things?!?!? ;)


Ok, i'm convinced. My list of to-dos is way to long, so I will just do the modulator (mine is green, so it must be the original) and VSV. I'll plan to do the throttle body and other stuff some other time when I have time.

Ahhhhhhhhhh. That feels better..... :)
 

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