Victory4x4 rear bumper and swing outs long term review.

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Introduction
Because I have so many pictures, I have to post this in parts! There is 5 image per post limit.

So about a year ago I did my research about available rear bumper options and settled on Victory4x4 based on my functional needs and the accessories I wanted to have on it. There is another thread about the various options available on this site but this thread is a more detailed review of this specific bumper. I hope this helps other members decide on what they want to buy, and perhaps help me by offering solutions to some of the problems I've been having.

I ordered my Victory4x4 bumper, double adventure carriers, tire mount, dual jerry can holders and hi-lift jack in March of 2023 and received them in June of the same year. The total for the order including tax and shipping was $4331. I later added their foldout table as well.

It is now July of 2024 and so around the 1 year mark of me using this product. I have put around 10K miles on it and I have had enough time to experience the good and bad of the product and how it holds up on it's own and against the other options out there. I am going to write my review in sections and give the product a score (out of five) for each section of the review.

Utility and customization ( Score: 5/5)
This was the main reason for me choosing this bumper over others. I wanted something that could hold 2 jerry cans, a jack, a tire, and also have room for foldout tables, a radio antenna, and some lights. And I wanted easy customization because our needs evolve as we use these things and this product adapts really well. If I wanted to switch from jerry cans to Rotopax or add traction boards or change my water system etc, the bumper accommodates that and Victory provides a good range of bolt on accessories. In short, the Victory product ticked all the boxes and I can say that I have been very happy with how the modular system is designed and how customizable it is. The fold out table that victory sells is very small and impractical (It can't even hold a double burner stove), but I got that anyway as my second table and mounted a frontrunner fold-down table on the other swing-out as my primary. This way, together with my tailgate, I have 3 work/table surfaces that fold down next to each other and provide enough area for me to prep, cook, do the dishes, set up my water system and everything else.

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Design (score: 3/5)
I like the design of the product. Together with Dissent and Slee, they are the best looking off-road rear bumpers that I have seen, and I looked at a lot! It does not stick out the back as much as ARB and Ironman, but still more than Slee and Dissent. I just love the lines, specially how they cut in around the lights and D ring area. It has room for combo rear lights that are really needed in this application since the taillights are almost entirely blocked and it provides adequate protection on the sides. However, there are 5 areas that are bad designs IMO.

First one is the circular plates under the swing out spindles that stick out. These provide a guide and hole for the spring loaded pins next to the spindles. They are there to stop the swing outs from opening out all the way and hitting the car. However, they stick out, are unsightly and more importantly are prone to getting hit on the trail and getting damaged. My bumper came with an extra set, but to replace them you would have to take out the swing out, the bearings and the spindles...When I look at other manufacturers, I can see that there are better ways of limiting the swing out movement.
My second gripe is with the inside of the bumper itself (wheel well/wing area) and how it hits the rear tires on full compression. My tires are 295/70/R18 and I would say that they are not unreasonably large for this rig. Most people that run these bumpers would be running 34+ size tires and I think the designers could have easily prevented this problem by providing a bit more space in the wheel well. In my case the tire was hitting pretty severely and it took out one of the bolts. I cut out a piece of the bumper but I still need to do another round of cutting as it is still hitting the bumper just above the bolts in the picture.
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The fold out table's locking mechanism rattles all the time. It is a rubber latch that hooks upwards and no matter how much you tighten it, the table will keep on rattling against the carrier. It is simply a bad design. Again, other brands have come up with better solutions.

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The swing outs lock in place with latches that have already started rusting. They squeak and rattle and need to be adjusted and oiled all the time and they still squeak some more.

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The tire holder is designed in such way that no matter how much I tighten the bolts, the spare tire keeps on moving against the carrier and makes a squeaking sound. Together with the latches and the fold-down table the bumper is a noisy one.
 
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Build quality (score: 2/5)
Unfortunately this is where the good things end about this bumper. As much as I like to keep on enjoying the bumper there have been numerous quality issues that I have been facing.

A) Build tolerance: On my bumper the wings are too narrow and they hit the body of the vehicle on both sides. Overtime, this has damaged the body, even opening up a seam where the quarter panel meets the wheel well. I am actually in the process of taking the bumper off and grinding those two sides. Another issue was the spindles fitment. They had to be force-fit into the sleeves, rendering the anti-seize useless and are now stuck in there pretty badly.

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B) Weld quality: They are not the best out there but I have also seen worst. In my opinion they are average. Definitely, not as nice as my Dissent bumper but better than some other brands. I am including some pictures of the various sections for reference.
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C) Powder coat and surface finish: Not great at all. I started seeing flaking and spots of rust only 6 months into my use and I live in Los Angeles! There are also bumps on the surface of the bumper (not sure what they are) and one of the D ring's paint came off after only one recovery. In comparison, I have three other off-road bumpers (Shrockworks, Dissent, Expedition one) that have been holding in the same conditions for 6-7 years without any rust. See pictures and decide for yourself.
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D) Spindle bearings (hinge): They failed after 1 year of use. Left side bearings broke and the swingout was stuck open. The right side is making grinding noises. There was evidence of water in both sides when I opened them. Currently in the process of replacing bearings and seals.

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Customer service (5/5)

In my experience they were very responsive and sensible. After contacting Victory and discussing the various issues they took responsibility for most of it and sent me a box of parts under warranty. I received a set of new bearings and seals to replace the damaged ones. They sent me a pair of new latches and a pair of revised latch catches. They are tighter and eliminate the looseness and the rattling of the swing outs. They sent me a circular sanding bit to smooth out the lip on the spindle sleeve and also two new spindles that went right in. All in all, I'm very happy with the way they handled the communication and made things right.

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Did you install the bumper yourself? I agree that the wings are a bit too close to the body but you can pry them open and bolt them in place during installation. At least this is what I did after noticing how close they were after the instalation.
 
I installed it myself. In my case the rear tire was also hitting the wings so those bolts actually came loose and one of them fell out. Anyway now I have grinded out about 3/8" from each side so there's going to be plenty of clearance.
 
I would consider a billet latch to replace that ubiquitous southco latch that comes on so many bumpers. Most of the times the internal pin just drops out or fails, its happened to me.

They are costly but seem to be a big upgrade. They are made to directly replace the Southco latches and a few fabricators offer them as upgrades to their bumpers.

 
So they told me that they have changed their latches and that they will send me the new version for free. I doubt that it would be as fancy as the ones you shared here but I'll wait and see. Hopefully it's doesn't rattle as much .
 
I had issues with a front 100 victory bumper. Would not buy bumpers from them again.
 
I would say I have had a similar experience with my skid plates from them.
 
To be clear. I didn't put this review here to bash them. People can see the good and bad and decide if it's a good fit for them. After all it still is a very customizable and IMO good looking bumper. In fact it would have been a perfect bumper if only the build quality was better.
 
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To be clear. I didn't put this review here to bash them. People can see the good and bad and decide if it's a good fit for them. After all it still is a very customizable and IMO good looking bumper. In fact it would have been a perfect bumper if only the build quality was better.
Would you buy it again?
 
lot of these bumper guys i feel charge astronomical amounts knowing we will pay - and are just shoddy workers and shoddy business

Exactly. And if their build quality and components are so shoddy, it REALLY makes you wonder/doubt about any of their testing of it in general
 
Exactly. And if their build quality and components are so shoddy, it REALLY makes you wonder/doubt about any of their testing of it in general
After installing many; and I mean many front and rear aftermarket steel and aluminum bumpers on all types of land cruisers, I can vouch for this statement. Only a small select few companies actually test their products in Offroad environments including the rocks. I don’t want to put down big brands as some of them take valuable feedback from the community and redesign their bumpers to make them better, but it’s obvious that some just make it heavy and pretty to then ship units…

Companies like Delta and Slee actually product test in some rather nasty scenarios to beta test bumpers before the public gets them because these products save lives and people actually use them. Hell even what most people hate on (ARB and Ironman) even test their bumpers off grid and for crash compliance. I know the Aussie bumpers tend to not hold up as well to hard abuse but you have to consider that these brands ship worldwide so weight is a big factor which means the product needs to be lighter for weight savings while also meeting Australian engineering requirements. This makes companies save as much weight while also being able to handle a rated pull. GVWR restrictions is why they are lighter than most American versions.

Hot take but I’ve personally seen Dissent bumpers on 200 series not fair well off road and twist due to the modular design. I know Ben addressed this with an updated design, but it still makes you question the robustness as well as the customers being potentially left out to dry that suffered body damage from said design flaw. I’m not here to dog on good brands, but feedback and customer support is what keeps a company in business long term in our industry. Anyone can make a bumper that looks pretty and give it to some instagram celebs to say how amazing it is.
 
Hot take but I’ve personally seen Dissent bumpers on 200 series not fair well off road and twist due to the modular design

Would love to hear more. There was a member here complaining about cracking but turns out he didn’t install it right. Even after talking smack Ben still took care of him.

The modular design is good in bad IMO. I had to get winched from the back and was pulled hard enough that the steel recovery points moved like 4 millimeters and tweaked the alignment of the swing outs. To be clear they moved because I hadn’t torqued enough. But because bumper was modular it was able re-align it in 30 minutes.

OP kudos to you for a fair review. I have made similar decisions—I bought an Ironman bullbar for the front because it was cheap and good enough but learned my lesson and bought a dissent for the rear. The iron man has been just okay but there is a reason why the slee and dissent stuff is so premium.
 
Would love to hear more. There was a member here complaining about cracking but turns out he didn’t install it right. Even after talking smack Ben still took care of him.

The modular design is good in bad IMO. I had to get winched from the back and was pulled hard enough that the steel recovery points moved like 4 millimeters and tweaked the alignment of the swing outs. To be clear they moved because I hadn’t torqued enough. But because bumper was modular it was able re-align it in 30 minutes.

OP kudos to you for a fair review. I have made similar decisions—I bought an Ironman bullbar for the front because it was cheap and good enough but learned my lesson and bought a dissent for the rear. The iron man has been just okay but there is a reason why the slee and dissent stuff is so premium.
I actually have a front Dissent bumper and I had a very similar experience with it twisting when pulled from the recovery point. Exactly like you said, I had to spend quite a while to get it back to alignment because of the modular design.
 
Would love to hear more. There was a member here complaining about cracking but turns out he didn’t install it right. Even after talking smack Ben still took care of him.

The modular design is good in bad IMO. I had to get winched from the back and was pulled hard enough that the steel recovery points moved like 4 millimeters and tweaked the alignment of the swing outs. To be clear they moved because I hadn’t torqued enough. But because bumper was modular it was able re-align it in 30 minutes.

OP kudos to you for a fair review. I have made similar decisions—I bought an Ironman bullbar for the front because it was cheap and good enough but learned my lesson and bought a dissent for the rear. The iron man has been just okay but there is a reason why the slee and dissent stuff is so premium.
As far as the granular details both examples I’ve seen were both 200’s flexing down a dirt embankment while turning and rubbed the Driver rear wing in the dirt and bent both bumpers into the sheet metal 1/4 and twisted that corner of the bumper. One also had tailgate damage from the bumper twisting. Both took a bit of force to get back to Not hurting the cruiser while driving. Customers not thrilled about the durability. Communication was given to Dissent. I have not followed up to check for a resolution recently as those cruisers were not local and were dealing straight with Dissent.
 
As far as the granular details both examples I’ve seen were both 200’s flexing down a dirt embankment while turning and rubbed the Driver rear wing in the dirt and bent both bumpers into the sheet metal 1/4 and twisted that corner of the bumper. One also had tailgate damage from the bumper twisting. Both took a bit of force to get back to Not hurting the cruiser while driving. Customers not thrilled about the durability. Communication was given to Dissent. I have not followed up to check for a resolution recently as those cruisers were not local and were dealing straight with Dissent.
That sucks!
 

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