Toyota LandCruiser 70 Series 2.8-litre turbo diesel four-cylinder coming, V8 to live on (2 Viewers)

[ALX4X4]

So now the dusts settled to a degree and all the content creators have done the loaded/unloaded/tow and drag race tests in outright performance the (even modded) V8 hasn't won one comparison. Longevity is still TBC but I remember when the voodoo over 1HZ timing belts came out, then the voodoo turbos then the voodoo common rail and they were all doomed to fail now we have the voodoo 4 cylinder yawn. Me I couldn't care lees as my 'newest' 4wd is from 1995 and I'm not in the market but I'd go 4cyl any day of the week it seems.

 

[Dougal]

So now the dusts settled to a degree and all the content creators have done the loaded/unloaded/tow and drag race tests in outright performance the (even modded) V8 hasn't won one comparison. Longevity is still TBC but I remember when the voodoo over 1HZ timing belts came out, then the voodoo turbos then the voodoo common rail and they were all doomed to fail now we have the voodoo 4 cylinder yawn. Me I couldn't care lees as my 'newest' 4wd is from 1995 and I'm not in the market but I'd go 4cyl any day of the week it seems.

Any word on fuel useage?

 

[ALX4X4]

Any word on fuel useage?

Even loaded the 2.8 is still in front its seems they are in the high teens loaded, the 2.8 drops to 12-ish litres per 100 the 4.5 stays the same. 2.8 does sound like a vacuum cleaner in comparison

 

[ALX4X4]

 

[ALX4X4]

 

[ALX4X4]

 

[Indestructible 47]

It's all just click bait rubbish comparisons. It's how these people make their money.

There has not been a like for like with weight, tire size and a tune yet. And they'll continue to string it out to make as many money making click bait videos as they can.

 

[Dougal]

It's all just click bait rubbish comparisons. It's how these people make their money.

There has not been a like for like with weight, tire size and a tune yet. And they'll continue to string it out to make as many money making click bait videos as they can.

The video directly above is a very good comparison. Same weight (they ballasted the ute to match the wagon), same trailer dyno attached, same day same track.

The 4 cylinder stomped the v8. Because more torque (500Nm vs 430Nm) and more gears (6 vs 5) to stay in the right rpm. It also used less fuel because fewer cylinders have less drag and less internal heat loss.

 

[Hulsty]

I spent the day today doing light offroading in a 2.8L Hilux 500Nm model and a LC300 TD, both auto. The 2.8L had plenty of poke on the road, everything else about it was unpleasent, lots of NVH, in low range it had virtually no engine braking and the gearing was poor.

 

[GreenPump]

Whoops, meant to post that in a different thread.

 

[SNLC]

It's all just click bait rubbish comparisons. It's how these people make their money.

There has not been a like for like with weight, tire size and a tune yet. And they'll continue to string it out to make as many money making click bait videos as they can.

I would rather watch Land Cruiser click bait vs all the rest.

Cheers

 

[Lo2aY]

late to the party here. been a year with the new drivetrain in the 70 series. It's been good in these hot climates of arabia.

Although I do not think this engine will last as long as the V8 does. simply because of boost. The 2.8 is under more pressure it seems like all the time compared to the V8.

When boosting the V8 to similar levels as the 2.8. you will have better performance out of the v8 but at the cost of reliability.

The engine as most of you know is not new for Toyota. It's been in the Hilux, Prado and Fortuner (medium duty) applications for sometime now. it's a proven engine in these chassis but I'm not sure it can handle the abuse the 70 series usually sees in global and developing markets. These truck usually are loaded well beyond GVM in many markets and they keep delivering with all that abuse. Clearly Mr. T over engineered the car to handle these types of situations but I'm not sure this would be true with the 2.8

Has there been an engine from Toyota under the land cruiser name plate that's a complete flop?

The new engine in the 300 series (gas) variant has been a disaster for Toyota. But prior to this, do we have any drivetrains that didn't deliver up to the name plate?

 

[Dougal]

Has there been an engine from Toyota under the land cruiser name plate that's a complete flop?

Not a complete flop. But all the IDI engines have typical IDI head/precup issues, the 1HD-T (80series) had crank oil cavitation issues that ate big end bearings and the V8 had oil consumption issues for the first few years.

The 1HD-FTE remains the best diesel Toyota have made.

Overloading, abusing and beating on vehicles isn't limited to vehicle brand, type or useage. They all get it.

 

[JuanJ]

Hello,

Regarding troubled engines, the 2L-TE comes to mind. Engineering mistakes are catastrophic, and Toyota is no exception.

Apparently, Toyota got the heat management right. Otherwise, the 1GD would struggle in hot climates.

Yes, everything in the 70 Series is overengineered. These trucks often operate under extreme conditions. Time will tell about the 1GD engine's ability to withstand the abuse 70 Series trucks endure.





Juan

 

[SNLC]

The 1HD-FTE remains the best diesel Toyota have made.

Agree 100%. It’s the end of nearly 40yrs of Toyota engineering an inline-six cylinder diesel. They kind of worked out all the quirks by the FTE.

Cheers

 

[Dougal]

Agree 100%. It’s the end of nearly 40yrs of Toyota engineering an inline-six cylinder diesel. They kind of worked out all the quirks by the FTE.

Cheers

The two great mysteries of the time was why Toyota never made a 4 cylinder version of the 1HD-T/FT/FTE and why Nissan never made a 6 cylinder version of the ZD30.

Both could have been excellent engines, better than either company had to offer otherwise.

 

[Tapage]

The two great mysteries of the time was why Toyota never made a 4 cylinder version of the 1HD-T/FT/FTE and why Nissan never made a 6 cylinder version of the ZD30.

Both could have been excellent engines, better than either company had to offer otherwise.

Toyota did several attemps / iterations ..

the B 4 cylinders that evolve in the PZ ( disaster ) Along with the inmortal L ( L from sLow ! ) and the KZ ( great engine and the decent equivalent to 1HD/T/FT/FTE ) then emisions and all that stuf **** all the rest ..

 

[mudgudgeon]

But all the IDI engines have typical IDI head/precup issues, the 1HD-T (80series) had crank oil cavitation issues that ate big end bearings and the V8 had oil consumption issues for the first few years.

And yet, majority of all these engines reach high 100's of thousands km with only regular maintenance. There's examples of many of these engines hitting 1,000,000km.

Yeah, there'll be a percentage that don't go the distance. How many are due to engineering or manufacturing failure vs maintenance failure or abuse?

Toyota on the whole has a well deserved reputation for reliability and longevity. That doesn't come from building "total flops".

 

[Dougal]

Toyota did several attemps / iterations ..

the B 4 cylinders that evolve in the PZ ( disaster ) Along with the inmortal L ( L from sLow ! ) and the KZ ( great engine and the decent equivalent to 1HD/T/FT/FTE ) then emisions and all that stuf **** all the rest ..

The 1PZ is a 1HZ with 1 less cylinder, it's not related to the B series and is now a dead end for parts. The 1KZ all cracked heads until the early 2000's (where most were replaced with 1KD) and burned a lot of fuel while doing it. I wouldn't rate any toyota IDI as a great engine.

If they'd made a mechanical 1KD that would have been a great engine. About 20% more power and 20% better fuel economy than the 1KZ simply due to better efficiency. But they only gave the option of IDI 1KZ or commonrail 1KD.

And yet, majority of all these engines reach high 100's of thousands km with only regular maintenance. There's examples of many of these engines hitting 1,000,000km.

Yeah, there'll be a percentage that don't go the distance. How many are due to engineering or manufacturing failure vs maintenance failure or abuse?

Toyota on the whole has a well deserved reputation for reliability and longevity. That doesn't come from building "total flops".

No the majority do not make high hundreds of thousands of km with just regular maintenance. Only a handful of engines do that and they've all had the perfect life of long run times at low stress.
The two 1HD-T owners I knew both had rebuilt engines. As well as the crank problems many had bore issues. I don't know exactly why. One installed a complete long-block.
The 1HD-FTE solved those issues and is a great engine. It's now common to see 100 series here with around 400,000km on them at just over 20 years. It's easy to tell because our diesels buy road tax by odometer and display it on a windscreen sticker.

 

[Indestructible 47]

Might be unpopular here but rual/outback Australia has proven the 1vd. It's a very underrated engine, i personally know of 3 farm utes with 600,000+kms and they get purely abused other than been regularly serviced. The 1hdfte, 1hz (n/a) and 1kd are the only other engines that last out here.