Thoughts on LC250 Remote Touring Capacities (1 Viewer)

[TWILLY]

I think conceptually I was thinking the same thing but with a loss of ~22% of the volume I now wonder if the footprint is smaller in addition to the addition of the battery hump as compared to the 4runner

Could be. We'll have to await a truck and measuring tape.

 

[Jeremy556]

I'm curious to see how the battery is protected from possible intrusion below.

Hopefully its more than body guage sheet metal.

The battery is inside the passenger compartment

 

[jayp2]

The battery is inside the passenger compartment

I get that

Are you're saying that its like the fuel tank on a mid 70's FJ40 sitting on the sheet metal floor of the passenger compartment OR is there something more substantial separating it from the outside?

I also have no idea yet what the consequences of a ruptured non lithium battery such as whats to be used in the new LC would be.

I ask this as someone who while backing off an obstacle many moons ago had a large stick penetrate the "passenger conpartment" within a few inches of said fuel tank which has made me more thoughtful about obstacles and armor.

 

[Jeremy556]

I get that

Are you're saying that its like the fuel tank on a mid 70's FJ40 sitting on the sheet metal floor of the passenger compartment OR is there something more substantial separating it from the outside?

I also have no idea yet what the consequences of a ruptured non lithium battery such as whats to be used in the new LC would be.

I ask this as someone who while backing off an obstacle many moons ago had a large stick penetrate the "passenger conpartment" within a few inches of said fuel tank which has made me more thoughtful about obstacles and armor.

It's got the rear axle and suspension hardware in front and below, and the spare tire directly underneath. It's about as well protected as it could possibly be. Nimh batteries don't catch fire when punctured like lithium ion batteries, although they can still start a fire due to a short

 

[bugsnbikes]

published mpg means nothing offroad. An electric motor with max torque on demand should allow a little 4banger to sip fuel compared to a v6 spooling up turbos offroad. Im more curious to see the real world fuel numbers driving offroad 5-20 mph.

 

[SnoopisTDI]

published mpg means nothing offroad. An electric motor with max torque on demand should allow a little 4banger to sip fuel compared to a v6 spooling up turbos offroad. Im more curious to see the real world fuel numbers driving offroad 5-20 mph.

...with 33-35" LT E all-terrain tires, bumpers, winch, armor, etc.

 

[Jetboy]

I'd be surprised if the trail efficiency isn't really good. The 1GR was exceptional in trail conditions. I did a few trips where I kept track and 10-14mpg was pretty reliable for trails in Moab with a good amount of idle time. Really impressive. It's about the same fuel burn as my 700cc side by side for a LOT more work being done. I'd imagine the hybrid powertrain is going to be significantly better without almost ever needing the engine to move off idle.

 

[M1911]

published mpg means nothing offroad. An electric motor with max torque on demand should allow a little 4banger to sip fuel compared to a v6 spooling up turbos offroad. Im more curious to see the real world fuel numbers driving offroad 5-20 mph.

My 200 gets around 10 mpg on the beach.

 

[Jeremy556]

Has anyone looked into user reported offroad MPG from the Jeep 4xe? I would think economy should be similar once it outside of the plugin hybrid charge range

 

[2021 LC200]

My 200 gets around 10 mpg on the beach.

Have you checked the car computer going 15 to 20 mph on pavement? Not going to be much different in my experience. At low speed low revs outside the engine optimal torque window (= best engine efficiency) and consumers like AC compressor, power steering and alternator you get that. A hybrid battery may help the first couple of minutes but then the engine kicks in to do the same.

 

[UZJ100LC]

So if the payload and diff are smaller and weaker than the GX. It seems the GX is the prado successor and the LC 250 is in a lighter duty segment. That’s the feel I’m getting anyway. I love the way the lc250 looks but I’m in the same boat as the OP in that for remote touring applications the GX or LX is where I will need to go.

 

[OSS]

If a person can pony up the extra cash, the Lexus GX 550 Overtrail is a much better “Landcruiser”.

 

[TWILLY]

If a person can pony up the extra cash, the Lexus GX 550 Overtrail is a much better “Landcruiser”.

I'm skeptical of that.

While the GX has larger running gear, its fuel efficiency and range are abysmal, only the Overtrail comes with a rear locker, but the Overtrail's payload is reportedly only 1235 lbs, which would be less than LC250's (though I haven't seen official technical specifications).

Also, in the 550, Toyota is once again force feeding needless luxury to the US market; just as with the 200 and the LX600, in order to get the heavier duty running gear, one must buy tens of thousands of dollars of needless luxury bits; sad.

 

[M1911]

I'm skeptical of that.

While the GX has larger running gear, its fuel efficiency and range are abysmal, only the Overtrail comes with a rear locker, but the Overtrail's payload is reportedly only 1235 lbs, which would be less than LC250's (though I haven't seen official technical specifications).

Also, in the 550, Toyota is once again force feeding needless luxury to the US market; just as with the 200 and the LX600, in order to get the heavier duty running gear, one must buy tens of thousands of dollars of needless luxury bits; sad.

I like those "needless" luxury bits.

 

[TWILLY]

I like those "needless" luxury bits.

Of course you do.

 

[OSS]

I wouldn’t worry too much about range on the new vehicles. I put an aftermarket long range fuel tank in my FJ60 to double the capacity.
It’s a given that an aftermarket long range tank will eventually become available for both the LC and GX.

 

[TWILLY]

I wouldn’t worry too much about range on the new vehicles. I put an aftermarket long range fuel tank in my FJ60 to double the capacity.
It’s a given that an aftermarket long range tank will eventually become available for both the LC and GX.

I added an LRA tank to one of my 80s as well. But it displaces the spare tire, etc., etc.

I would prefer Toyota simply fix the problem of poor range from the factory, which they do and have done in other markets forever.

 

[tacoshawn]

GX550 owners manual is available under the Lexus.com ‘Resources’. GX550 payload is tied to wheel size and ranges from 1,235lb for 22” to 1,410lb for 20” to 1,545lb for 18”. Those low profile sidewalls come with a price. I’m happy with the OT payload rating. I do see they have not reflected the 9K lb towing update in the owners manual.

I’ve owned a K2500 Suburban (8.1L Vortec!!!) and that was the right vehicle when I needed monster payload/towing capacity at that time of life.

 

[OSS]

Every vehicle has big trade-offs. It’s a teetering balance between:

1. Price
2. Size
3. Power
4. Strength
5. Weight
6. Fuel economy
7. Range
8. Load capacity
9. Off-road ability (for 4WD vehicles)
10. Interior niceties
11. Easy to work on
12. Looks
13. Ride quality

No vehicle ever made has ever been perfect in all those respects. Gotta sacrifice one to gain another.

Lots of guys here want the perfect (Homer Simpson) Landcruiser — and unfortunately it’s impossible to make one that does everything.

There’s going to be trade-offs to reach a goal that Toyota has set. They may not be what all of us want — but if we got what we wanted, we’d be driving Homer Simpson trucks.

 

[M1911]

GX550 owners manual is available under the Lexus.com ‘Resources’. GX550 payload is tied to wheel size and ranges from 1,235lb for 22” to 1,410lb for 20” to 1,545lb for 18”. Those low profile sidewalls come with a price. I’m happy with the OT payload rating.

I never will understand the whole 20"+ wheel thing.