Anyone have suggestions on where to find a good buy?
juane
juane
Synthetic Winch Cable
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I thought people had problems with it breaking down and fraying from sun exposure.
masterpull is a mud advertiser, looks like they have some nice stuff.
Hey Juane -
I'm not sure of the answer, but I'd be curious to see what people suggest. Is your metal cable worn or frayed, or are you just looking for an upgrade?
Evan
I've got the masterpull. They come with a rock guard that will protect from rubbing and UV damage. The guard is actually 1" climbing webbing so easy and cheap to replace in whatever color you like.
I would say Syn works best when it is not dragged over something. One case was the Moab Trip in October last year. We started Behind the Rocks and winched at the very beginning. When you winch yourself up something the movement of the cable is at your bumper and off the ground or at least the part on the ground is not moving. When I winched others from above, it dragged the cable across the dirt and rocks until the person cleared the top of the obstacle. Much of this dragging and I'm sure my line would be toast.
For ease of use, safety, and the decrease in weight I think it is a winner but you should think about how you position yourself or the other rig.
G
I would say Syn works best when it is not dragged over something. One case was the Moab Trip in October last year. We started Behind the Rocks and winched at the very beginning. When you winch yourself up something the movement of the cable is at your bumper and off the ground or at least the part on the ground is not moving. When I winched others from above, it dragged the cable across the dirt and rocks until the person cleared the top of the obstacle. Much of this dragging and I'm sure my line would be toast.
For ease of use, safety, and the decrease in weight I think it is a winner but you should think about how you position yourself or the other rig.
G
How does it run through a snatch block?
I have not had any issues running it through a snatch block. I have Rockstomper line on my truck, it is the least expensive option I have found. It works, but the quality of the product (particularly the ends where it attaches to the spool and the thimble) are not as high quallity as those from Masterpull, Off Road Only, or Winchline.com.
I haven't need to run my line through the snatch block under load, but have rigged it up for fun and my knowledge and it rolled smooth.
G
G
ARB makes a special snatch block for synthetic line if you want more peace of mind.
Snatch Block, Swing Blaock, Pulley Block, Yarding Block, Block
Snatch Block, Swing Blaock, Pulley Block, Yarding Block, Block
I think the ARB 7000 is the one I have. I don't think ARB differentiated the blocks, just the Winchline site stresses that you can use it. I bought mine from Slee and it looks the same.
G
G
I have a winchline.com synth. on my M8000. Never had many issues at all.
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My cable has major kinks. Arrg! I don't feel safe using it.
I had a MasterPull on the 60 and was happy with it.
Aside from abrasion (and UV?) I like the fact that synthetic weighs nothing, it won't take someone's head off if it breaks and there is little concern about kinks when rewinding.
But man is it pricey!
juane
alia176
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This is one of those hotly debated items on Mud... I like both for different reasons. My main winch cable is 85' of 3/8" wire rope. The 50' extension rope is one of those synthetic jobbers, can't recall what vendor though. This is on a M10,000 winch. The wire rope is the original one from '99 and was cut back from 150' to reduce winch load.
What sort of prices are you seeing for the different products? I'm remembering an M12000 on your Cruiser, so I'm guessing you'd have the get the biggest beefiest synthetic line out there, which (of course) also translates to the most expensive.
I really haven't priced the synthetics, but the items you mentioned sure make sense. The safety issue alone is a biggie.
alia176
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(soap box on)
Safety issue is a non issue if you know how to use a wire rope. You wouldn't want to use a tow strap as a kinetic strap, nor should you use a cosmetic tow hook for serious recovery work. I guess it's all a matter of common sense and to me winch line safety falls along the same line.
Broken winch line seems to get a lot of attention in cases where people are winching long spans w/o a blanket (or a dead weight) in the middle of the cable.
If someone wants to buy a syn rope then he should do so w/o question. But to use the safety card for justification of buying an expensive rope seems unfair IMO.
(soap box off)
If memory serves me correctly, I bought my 50' extension from Rockstomper.com, looks like they cost $383 for 150'.
3/8" x 150', 20,400lb winch rope, $383
maybe this would do well on a 12k winch:
5/16" x 150', 13,700lb winch rope, $286
Could one get away with using 1/4" for a 8k winch?
1/4" x 150', 9,200lb winch rope, $195
Safety issue is a non issue if you know how to use a wire rope. You wouldn't want to use a tow strap as a kinetic strap, nor should you use a cosmetic tow hook for serious recovery work. I guess it's all a matter of common sense and to me winch line safety falls along the same line.
Broken winch line seems to get a lot of attention in cases where people are winching long spans w/o a blanket (or a dead weight) in the middle of the cable.
If someone wants to buy a syn rope then he should do so w/o question. But to use the safety card for justification of buying an expensive rope seems unfair IMO.
(soap box off)
If memory serves me correctly, I bought my 50' extension from Rockstomper.com, looks like they cost $383 for 150'.
3/8" x 150', 20,400lb winch rope, $383
maybe this would do well on a 12k winch:
5/16" x 150', 13,700lb winch rope, $286
Could one get away with using 1/4" for a 8k winch?
1/4" x 150', 9,200lb winch rope, $195
correct me if i'm wrong, but, if you put on a snatch block to get a 2:1 pull, wouldn't you potentially need much higher than your winch rating for the cable/rope rating? what if i am using my 8k winch to pull out a stuck 80 (which has happened). i could hit the rated limit of the 9200lb rope pretty quick w/ a 2:1 pull. now double rating may be overkill (if even available), but i would go with the 5/16 for my 8klb winch. and the 3/8 for you 80 guys w/ the bigger 10k and up winches.
thoughs?
If a snatch block is the same thing as a pulley, then the two ropes going around the pulley would have 1/2 the load of the single rope coming off the other direction of the pulley. So that single rope would need to have double the capacity of your winch, in theory. Either that, or keep the same capacity on the single rope and just work the winch half as hard.
They arethe same, and this is true only if the doubled up lines are pulling in the same direction. The tension on the single line decreases as the angle between the two other lines increases. One should be careful (unless you have a relatively small winch) to not hook the other end back to one's bumper because you have just doubled the load on your bumper connections...
you lost me there. i was thinking of what Steve said. double it back and attach to your own bumper. 1 line, double the capacity. the pull probably won't stall the winch so it wouldn't actually be pulling at full double strength, but i have stalled my winch on a single direction pull, so the pulley use is a possible occurance. personally i'm not too worried about my bumper. there's 8 monster grade 8 bolts holding it on. and i didn't go with the "4 is as good as 8" type theory i've used in the past.
alia176
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Marc,
Get out your Statics book!!
Get out your Statics book!!
